Opel Zafira started the car park fire in Cork

Rhys Essien · 2019-09-02 10:38:57

So another Zafira has gone on fire and has now caused multi millions of damage. Why aren't these cars taken off the road? https://twitter.com/Corks96FM/status/1168412609999192065?s=19

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#92 03-09-2019 02:14PM

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coylemj wrote: »

Don't know about floods but on the face of it, the Accidental Fires Act 1943 would appear to apply. Meaning that you cannot claim against anyone.

Unless...... you can show negligence on someone's part. So if you had no insurance cover of your own, it may be worth pursuing the Zafira guy

1.—(1) Where any person (in this section referred to as the injured person) has suffered damage by reason of fire accidentally occurring (whether before or after the passing of this Act) in or on the building or land of another person, then, notwithstanding any rule of law, the following provisions shall have effect, that is to say:—

(a) no legal proceedings shall, after the passing of this Act, be instituted in any court by the injured person or any person claiming through or under him or as his insurer against such other person on account of such damage;

Very interesting, thanks. Is there any difference between accidental and negligent in law, I wonder.

If the driver drove in with smoke coming from the engine, are they negligent?

I see Liberty have a cap of €30 million on liability to others with their policy.

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#93 03-09-2019 02:15PM

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gctest50 wrote: »

Will the new National Childrens Hospital have an underground car park ?

If so will they admit Zafiras, bmw's and other high risk yokes ?

The depth of the underground car park at the NCH threw up all sorts of issues. I think there were also questions as to whether there had been properly spec’d fire suppression systems in the budget but no doubt they’ll be in the final plan. A hospital is one of those locations where standardised protocols for evacuation don’t work and the focus has to be put on systems to suppress the fire, including additional redundancies for failure.

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#94 03-09-2019 02:20PM

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Marcusm wrote: »

...............

including additional redundancies for failure.

Bit like an aircraft then ? We all know how they never crash

Then you have this :

The National Children's Hospital was "deliberately" designed to be 10cm lower than 30m so it could avoid having to install a sprinkler system, Dublin Fire Brigade (DFB) has claimed

https://amp.independent.ie/news/environment/childrens-hospital-deliberately-designed-to-avoid-installing-sprinklers-claims-fire-brigade-36259501.html

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#95 03-09-2019 02:23PM

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Dia_Anseo wrote: »

As this is damage caused by fire, nobody claims off anyone.

Under insurance law flooding/fires cannot be claimed against other parties.

Everyone with a burnt out car will have to go through their own insurance for a claim.

This simply is not true.

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#96 03-09-2019 02:25PM

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Steel beams....wow

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#97 03-09-2019 02:27PM

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Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Steel beams....wow

It's a false flag. Fire cant melt steel beams

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#98 03-09-2019 02:55PM

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Hellrazer wrote: »

The actual new recall takes 20 minutes to carry out. Most times we have them done while the customer gets a coffee. Theres no excuse for people not getting it done.

And do you collect the car from my workplace or home? Both are 90 minutes from the nearest Opel dealership
Or do Opel expect me to take annual leave, because I unfortunately have all mine used this year and can’t get another day off until January.

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#99 03-09-2019 02:57PM

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anheneti wrote: »

And do you collect the car from my workplace or home? Both are 90 minutes from the nearest Opel dealership
Or do Opel expect me to take annual leave, because I unfortunately have all mine used this year and can’t get another day off until January.

Exactly. Its not as simple as popping in.

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#100 03-09-2019 03:03PM

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GM228 wrote: »

This simply is not true.

yes. I'd say if negligence can be established, it's quite possible to claim.

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#101 03-09-2019 04:08PM

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GM228 wrote: »

This simply is not true.

Care to expand ?

My experience is of a car that went of fire, damaged the car next to it.. and guess what...

..Each car owner had to claim off their own insurance.

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#102 03-09-2019 04:37PM

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From the thread in the legal forum it looks like the car drivers insurance policy would be liable, but it could come down to other factors as well.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058012211

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#103 03-09-2019 04:53PM

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jackofalltrades wrote: »

From the thread in the legal forum it looks like the car drivers insurance policy would be liable, but it could come down to other factors as well.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058012211

I created that thread in an attempt to clarify if the Accidental Fires Act 1943 applied. From what some posters have said in repect of previous fires caused by an adjacent vehicle, it does.

But everyone is running for cover and saying that the Zafira owner was guilty of negligence. In which case the act does not apply.

But the Accidental Fires Act only applies in the case of a fire which happens 'in or on the building or land of another person'. So if your car was parked on a public street, the one beside you caught fire and your car was destroyed, the act would not apply.

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#104 03-09-2019 05:24PM

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coylemj wrote: »

I created that thread in an attempt to clarify if the Accidental Fires Act 1943 applied. From what some posters have said in repect of previous fires caused by an adjacent vehicle, it does.

But everyone is running for cover and saying that the Zafira owner was guilty of negligence. In which case the act does not apply.

But the Accidental Fires Act only applies in the case of a fire which happens 'in or on the building or land of another person'. So if your car was parked on a public street, the one beside you caught fire and your car was destroyed, the act would not apply.

According to an article on independent.ie everyone claims off the Zafira owner and their insurance company may then sue Opel directly.

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#105 03-09-2019 05:31PM

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Could be worse, it was about 1400 in Liverpool

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#106 03-09-2019 07:12PM

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Phileas Frog wrote: »

According to an article on independent.ie everyone claims off the Zafira owner and their insurance company may then sue Opel directly.

It's going to be a huge claim

The cars destroyed is small change

It's the structural repair bill along with loss of profits for all the businesses shut that's going to run into millions

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#107 03-09-2019 07:30PM

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Just chatting to an engineer today and asked him did he see the damage and he immediately mentioned the childens hospital and how the same only worse can happen there too

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#108 03-09-2019 07:32PM

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Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Just chatting to an engineer today and asked him did he see the damage and he immediately mentioned the childens hospital and how the same only worse can happen there too

Why are people going on like the hospital is the first building ever built over a car park?

****ing hell.

Thwres a car park under part of the existing st james hospital too....

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#109 03-09-2019 07:33PM

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Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Just chatting to an engineer today and asked him did he see the damage and he immediately mentioned the childens hospital and how the same only worse can happen there too

Why are people going on like the hospital is the first building ever built over a car park?

****ing hell.

Thwres a car park under part of the existing st james hospital too....

440 spaces under the Mater too

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#110 03-09-2019 07:35PM

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Sprinkler systems are apparently required for underground car parks.

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#111 03-09-2019 07:57PM

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Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Why are people going on like the hospital is the first building ever built over a car park?

****ing hell.

Thwres a car park under part of the existing st james hospital too....

That's how engineers think:)

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Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

That's how engineers think:)

The engineers building the buildings all around the world seem ok with it.

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#113 03-09-2019 08:12PM

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What kind of engineer? Don't say broadband or Sky

Speaking as an engineer we have a tendency to imply we're an expert on everything

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#114 03-09-2019 08:27PM

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What kind of engineer built the Zafira?

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#115 03-09-2019 08:40PM

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Dia_Anseo wrote: »

What kind of engineer built the Zafira?

He or she was being strangled by accountants at the time

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#116 03-09-2019 08:49PM

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If that was my car getting lifted out like that I'd prefer if was was burned to ash instead...

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2019/0903/1073624-cork-car-park/

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#117 03-09-2019 08:54PM

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Are the ropes only tied to the alloys??

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#118 03-09-2019 08:56PM

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Rhys Essien wrote: »

So another Zafira has gone on fire and has now caused multi millions of damage. Why aren't these cars taken off the road?

https://twitter.com/Corks96FM/status/1168412609999192065?s=19

Bingo. The wife owes me a fiver!!!

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#119 03-09-2019 08:58PM

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ahem.....
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zilog_jones wrote: »

Teslas are generally not spontaneously combusting though - people are just pointing them out because they are unusual cars or like a bit of EV scaremongering. The last high profile Tesla fire was as the result of a high-speed collision.

Lots of ICE cars are catching fire all the time, just thankfully not so much in multi-storey car parks.

I had a problem with some slight burning smell in my '98 Fiesta some years back, then one night a few days later smoke started emanating from somewhere in the cabin. I was near home so parked up and disconnected the battery, and got it towed the next day. Turns out the fan resistor pack had burnt up and the plastic assembly had melted - but I was turning up the fan to get rid of the smoke!

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Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If that was my car getting lifted out like that I'd prefer if was was burned to ash instead...

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2019/0903/1073624-cork-car-park/

Ffs!!!

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#121 03-09-2019 09:23PM

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To my untrained eye in lifting cars by crane what's the issue?

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