Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

gooch2k9 · 02-09-2019 06:12PM

I don't understand why they need their queen to come make a speech in order to be able to reverse the cuts they have made over the last decade. Even in ordinary times, is it really needed?

cj maxx · 02-09-2019 06:13PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Well that was pure party political broadcast - aimed at his MPs

Don't get what that was about at all.. some serious jeering going on

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 02-09-2019 06:14PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Beleave more! Vim vigour oomph and British bulldog spirit

Haha.

He said he needs a no deal option to ensure a deal. Game theory has a lot to answer for.

is_that_so · 02-09-2019 06:14PM

cjmc wrote: »

Don't get what that was about at all.. some serious jeering going on

Don't vote for the bill or I will go for an election. October 14th will be the date apparently.

CelticRambler · 02-09-2019 06:15PM

Well that was ...

What was that?

All that waiting around and he just says what he's already said and everyone knows he's said it.

But now that he's said it, why does he need to shut parliament for five weeks just so the Queen can say it all over again?

briany · 02-09-2019 06:15PM

listermint wrote: »

Nothing in that. Whole thing directed towards Tory MP defectors. Simple as that.

He was told to go out and show his face because they've been torn apart over the weekend.

Didn't he just say that under no circumstances will he go to Brussels and ask for an extension? The confirmation of that seems pretty huge.

"Vote with the government, because it's pointless if you don't. There will be no extensions as long as I'm PM, and I'll be PM until at least 31/10."

dublinman1990 · 02-09-2019 06:17PM

I heard him say these few words outside No.10 Downing St.

"I don't want an election. You don't want an election."

It looks like, in BJ's world, that Brexit will still happen on the 31st of October.

And some enhanced spending plan to be unveiled by Savid Javid to MP's in the HoC tomorrow.

I hope the MP's get their heads around this huge constitutional crisis in parliament tomorrow.

Ireland is definitely looking more scared of a No Deal Brexit by the hour.

GM228 · 02-09-2019 06:19PM

briany wrote: »

Didn't he just say that under no circumstances will he go to Brussels and ask for an extension? The confirmation of that seems pretty huge.

"Vote with the government, because it's pointless if you don't. There will be no extensions as long as I'm PM, and I'll be PM until at least 31/10."

Pretty much:-

"I want everybody to know there are no circumstances in which I will ask Brussels to delay, we're leaving on the 31st of October, no ifs or buts. We will not accept any attempts to go back on our promises or scrub that referendum"

02-09-2019 06:20PM

IF he gets voted out on 14th Oct (the mooted election date) would he be Britain's shortest serving PM?

I've seen that he has the power to call an election for Oct 14th, then change the date to November so Britain still exits without a deal. Is that true?

trellheim · 02-09-2019 06:20PM

No, he said "I will never ask for an extension" ( however Boris Johnson is a known liar)

trellheim · 02-09-2019 06:21PM

I've seen that he has the power to call an election for Oct 14th, then change the date to November so Britain still exits without a deal. Is that true

He does not have the power to call an Election. All he can do is put down a motion for one, which must be approved by 2/3 of 650 MPs so 430 odd

Joe_ Public · 02-09-2019 06:22PM

In other words, if parliament legally mandates him to ask for an extension, he is basically saying he will disregard that legal prerogative. Not even prevaricating about it as Gove was over the weekend.

gooch2k9 · 02-09-2019 06:23PM

trellheim wrote: »

He does not have the power to call an Election. All he can do is put down a motion for one, which must be approved by 2/3 of 650 MPs so 430 odd

I think what has been suggested is he puts down motion for election on 14th of October then uses reoyal perogative once it is passed to change the date to after Brexit.

sdanseo · 02-09-2019 06:23PM

Time for that European Army. Swiftly followed by invading the nearest country run by a dictatorial tyrant.

Channel is only 35km, even the French should be able to manage that these days. :pac:

gooch2k9 wrote: »

I think what has been suggested is he puts down motion for election on 14th of October then uses reoyal perogative once it is passed to change the date to after Brexit.

That would start an uprising / civil disobedience unprecedented in modern British History at best, and civil war or breakup of the union at worst. In the meantime, Scotland and NI gone, Wales even probably left scratching its head thereafter.

Zubeneschamali · 02-09-2019 06:23PM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Ireland is definitely looking more scared of a No Deal Brexit by the hour.

Actually, no, I'd say that reduced the chances of No Deal somewhat. Boris bottled it and did not threaten an immediate election with deselection for rebels, as some expected. The way seems clear for Remainers to grab control tomorrow and pass Benn's bill shown upthread, requiring an extension request if there is No Deal at the EU summit in October.

sondagefaux · 02-09-2019 06:28PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

In other words, if parliament legally mandates him to ask for an extension, he is basically saying he will disregard that legal prerogative. Not even prevaricating about it as Gove was over the weekend.

He doesn't have to break the law, he can resign instead.

Zubeneschamali · 02-09-2019 06:31PM

If Boris refuses to follow the law and request an extension, the logical next step is a vote of no confidence, Boris consigned to the dustbin of history as the PM with the shortest term ever, someone (Corbyn or...) installed as caretaker PM with a limited mandate to request an extension and call a General Election.

With this historic humiliation fresh, the Tories must dive into the election. Do they replace Boris, history's worst PM ever? Do they deselect all those rebels and face them running as Remain Independents (could throw seats to Remain even if they don't win)? Do they team up with Farage?

Anyhow, Remain Alliance wins GE, holds new referendum, Remain wins, Brexit consigned to the nuclear waste pond in Sellafield.

All the people who refused to prepare for Brexit say "I told you so!".

lawred2 · 02-09-2019 06:32PM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Ireland is definitely looking more scared of a No Deal Brexit by the hour.

Based on what?

prawnsambo · 02-09-2019 06:33PM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

I heard him say these few words outside No.10 Downing St.

"I don't want an election. You don't want an election."

Looks like there's going to be an election.

Methinks he doth protest too much.

"I don't want an election, You don't want an election... But if you twist my arm, just a little bit.."

is_that_so · 02-09-2019 06:34PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

If Boris refuses to follow the law and request an extension, the logical next step is a vote of no confidence, Boris consigned to the dustbin of history as the PM with the shortest term ever, someone (Corbyn or...) installed as caretaker PM with a limited mandate to request an extension and call a General Election.

With this historic humiliation fresh, the Tories must dive into the election. Do they replace Boris, history's worst PM ever? Do they deselect all those rebels and face them running as Remain Independents (could throw seats to Remain even if they don't win)? Do they team up with Farage?

Anyhow, Remain Alliance wins GE, holds new referendum, Remain wins, Brexit consigned to the nuclear waste pond in Sellafield.

All the people who refused to prepare for Brexit say "I told you so!".

You used the word "logical" in a post about Brexit!

In a likely election they will all need a different type of strategy. Wouldn't call this at all as it could come down to divisions in individual constituencies.

Rjd2 · 02-09-2019 06:38PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Looks like there's going to be an election.

Methinks he doth protest too much.

He knows there is going to be an election and its why he is planning for one. He wants the narrative to be that he was forced into one to get Brexit through.

With May many things hurt her, but it also for many felt like a vanity project and not needed. Boris wants the public to believe this is a last resort.

Will it work? Who knows.

cj maxx · 02-09-2019 06:44PM

I think that was supposed to be a barnstorming, rabble rousing speech ala churchill.
Failed miserably on the front imo though I don't know how this will work out for him

listermint · 02-09-2019 06:45PM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

I heard him say these few words outside No.10 Downing St.

"I don't want an election. You don't want an election."

It looks like, in BJ's world, that Brexit will still happen on the 31st of October.

And some enhanced spending plan to be unveiled by Savid Javid to MP's in the HoC tomorrow.

I hope the MP's get their heads around this huge constitutional crisis in parliament tomorrow.

Ireland is definitely looking more scared of a No Deal Brexit by the hour.

Just for clarity sake 'Dublinman' Ireland isn't scared of no deal. We've spent three years in prep for this exact scenario we are fully aware of the stupidity of an English parliament.

So ,

No.

prawnsambo · 02-09-2019 06:45PM

Rjd2 wrote: »

He knows there is going to be an election and its why he is planning for one. He wants the narrative to be that he was forced into one to get Brexit through.

With May many things hurt her, but it also for many felt like a vanity project and not needed. Boris wants the public to believe this is a last resort.

Will it work? Who knows.

Yep. I figured this would be the case weeks ago. I even proposed the date: October 17th (dependant on them sticking with the tradition of holding elections on a Thursday). It's like watching a movie where you've already read the book. You know how it ends, but you're watching to see if it remains faithful to the book.

PropJoe10 · 02-09-2019 06:46PM

The problem for Boris is that he has absolutely no idea what he's going to do, other than plead with MPs to back him and threaten them if they don't. He's got no answers on the backstop, and no answers whatsoever to anything.

More bluster and empty words. He's gotten to where he is by spoofing but I can't see it getting him much further.

Stop moaning ffs · 02-09-2019 06:55PM

PropJoe10 wrote: »

The problem for Boris is that he has absolutely no idea what he's going to do, other than plead with MPs to back him and threaten them if they don't. He's got no answers on the backstop, and no answers whatsoever to anything.

More bluster and empty words. He's gotten to where he is by spoofing but I can't see it getting him much further.

Bullish!t will get you to the top. It won’t keep you there.

And he’s a lifelong bullish!tter come to the end of the road.

robinph · 02-09-2019 06:56PM

If the opposition is tricked into running a vote of no confidence then they really need to be sure they can get a caretaker government organised to take over and bring in some alternative solution to the brexit disaster. If they don't then it will mean an election and the tory brexit party version will happen instead.

20silkcut · 02-09-2019 06:58PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Bullish!t will get you to the top. It won’t keep you there.

And he’s a lifelong bullish!tter come to the end of the road.

That crowd jeering him as he spoke.
Why did he make the speech outside?
Very pathetic looking. Got it very wrong there. Trump wouldn’t make that mistake.

The Late Late Show · 02-09-2019 07:11PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Sure feels and looks like it is headed that very direction.

“That was when they suspended the Constitution. They said it would be temporary. There wasn't even any rioting in the streets. People stayed home at night, watching television. There wasn't even an enemy you could put your finger on.”
― Margaret Atwood

Sadly, variations of the Republic of Gilead are becoming real and it all stems from Saudi Arabia's oil money you can be sure. They are behind John Bolton's April 2018 regime in America, Brexit, this anti-renewable energy and anti Iran drivel, etc. The likes of Trump gets bailed out in return for allowing 'Gilead' to become government of America and thus the world.

briany · 02-09-2019 07:13PM

20silkcut wrote: »

That crowd jeering him as he spoke.
Why did he make the speech outside?
Very pathetic looking. Got it very wrong there. Trump wouldn’t make that mistake.

Trump would have said that the crowd was paid by CNN to be there, or something similarly conspiratorial.

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