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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,855 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    The route Foods of Animal Origin (and fish/seafood) will need to take if they're exported from Northern Ireland to the republic, even if the customer is a few kilometers down the road from the Northern Ireland producer.
    I think an example was posted earlier of a chicken sandwich being supplied to a Donegal filling station by a Derry sandwich maker, having to travel 300 miles before it can be delivered. And of course there are certificates required which cost £200 each.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    GM228 wrote: »
    Johnson live statement at 6pm from No.10.

    Care to speculate?

    Florid but empty bluster, just as May's Downing Street announcements were dull robotic repetitions of empty talking points.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,855 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    His divorce has finally come through ?
    A new dog, an election AND a royal wedding (well Boris getting married again, but hey ho). Tory landslide incoming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Benn's bill above requests an extension to January 31st. I think the EU will offer only a longer extension, time for something to actually happen in Westminster, like 12 more months.

    Could you even squeeze in a referendum by Jan 31 if it was on your list of preferred options? I dont think so, seems a strange date to choose on the face of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    According to The Guardian, Sky saying he will not talk about an election.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭sondagefaux


    fash wrote: »
    You understand that FOM has nothing to do with a CU? Turkey is in a CU but has no FOM. Do we really need to go through the basics in this?

    This reply is aimed at the poster you've replied to.

    It would be very helpful if a thread on basic international trade jargon could be set up.

    A customs union, as the name implies, unites the customs rules of different countries.

    It means that each member of the customs union applies the same tariffs from goods outside of the customs union and the members of the customs union do not apply tariffs on goods from other members.

    A customs union facilitates* the movement of goods between its members. It has nothing to do with the movement of people.

    *A customs union does not allow for free movement of goods between its members.

    The EEC (now the EU) completed its customs union in 1968.

    However, there were still non-customs barriers to trade between member states of the EEC, such as different standards for different products. This is why the Single Market (or Internal Market) was created as regulatory union.

    This Regulatory Union means that the members of the EU apply the same standards to almost all goods (there are some exceptions, allowed for in the EU treaties), so that there can be genuine free movement of goods between member states, not just the removal of tariff barriers (aka customs).

    Imagine if there were 28 different standards across the EU for house paint. A house paint manufacturer in Ireland would have to meet multiple different standards, massively increasing production costs and the regulatory burden on the business, if it wanted to sell its products across the EU and the Single Market.

    The Single Market means it can make its products in Ireland, gain regulatory approval in Ireland, and sell its products to the other EU members, plus other countries that aren't in the EU but in the Single Market: Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein.

    Leaving the EU/Single Market will actually increase the regulatory burden on businesses as they have to meet EU standards AND UK standards (which may eventually become significantly different), plus they may need to get certification in the EU, or have someone based in the EU to take legal responsibility for meeting EU standards/getting EU certification, if they want to export to the EU.

    Customs duties (tariffs) are not the only barriers to trade.

    In fact, 85% of all goods imported into the EU pay 0% tariffs, even goods imported into the EU from countries which the EU has no trade agreements with, as the standard EU tariffs on many goods is 0%.

    In the case of Foods of Animal Origin (see my previous post), the EU has to list a non-EU country first before there is even a possibility of exports of such foods from the non-EU country in question.

    There is no guarantee that the EU will list the UK for this purpose, especially since listing requires the UK to co-operate and allow EU inspectors into the UK to carry out the necessary checks before listing can be approved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Beth Rigby
    Rebels march on. Bill to demand ext until Jan 31st if no new deal passed in HoC or not agreed deal by Oct 19
    - Tues; motion to take control of order paper Weds 4th Sept from 3pm
    - Weds; 3pm Private Members Bill to stop No Deal Oct 31
    - Thurs; if passed Bill to HoL. GE called?

    https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1168566568961368065


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Podium out with government crest. Points to that this won't be an election announcement.

    I hate all these stupid conventions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,055 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Podium out with government crest. Points to that this won't be an election announcement.

    I hate all these stupid conventions.


    They are stupid but i like laughing at how important they seem to find them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭trellheim


    sky news broadcasting live, no regional firewall if anyone wants in

    https://news.sky.com/story/live-boris-johnson-cancels-meeting-with-tory-brexit-rebels-11800419


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭sondagefaux


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    I think an example was posted earlier of a chicken sandwich being supplied to a Donegal filling station by a Derry sandwich maker, having to travel 300 miles before it can be delivered. And of course there are certificates required which cost £200 each.

    That's actually incorrect. The tweet it was based on incorrectly assumed that the sandwiches could travel directly from Northern Ireland (eg. Newry) to the BIP at Dublin Port.

    In fact, once they'd crossed the border between Newry and Dundalk, they would have entered the EU and would have to pass through a BIP, which has to be at border entry point or immediately adjacent, under EU law. Therefore it would not be possible to have a BIP for products entering across the border between NI and the republic located at Dublin Port.

    Without BIPs adjacent to the border, even sandwiches (assuming they contained controlled ingredients), along with all other Foods of Animal Origin (including processed foods containing these as ingredients, i.e. a frozen spaghetti bolognese ready meal with beef), would have to enter the state via the BIPs at either Dublin Port or Shannon Airport.

    Some Brexiteers have cited the example of a BIP in Rotterdam which is 20km from the port entrance, not realising that the Port of Rotterdam officially extends inland for approximately 40km. So their claim that BIPs can be away from the border doesn't hold up.

    Once again, this all presupposes that the EU and the UK can co-operate together after a No Deal Brexit to enable the EU to list the UK as an approved 'third country' (in EU jargon, a country that's not in the EU), for the purposes of exporting Foods of Animal Origin and fish/seafood to the EU.

    If the EU doesn't list the UK, the location of BIPs in Ireland will be irrelevant as all exports of Foods of Animal Origin/fish/seafood from the UK to the EU will immediately cease. Any such foods stopped at EU borders/points of entry will be turned back to the UK or seized and destroyed.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Please not another extension. And if it is what he’s announcing I hope Eu says no


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,783 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    More patriotism required is what I expect him to say


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    lawred2 wrote: »
    More patriotism required is what I expect him to say

    Beleave more! Vim vigour oomph and British bulldog spirit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    His divorce has finally come through ?

    One divorce down, one to go...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭trellheim


    here we go


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭fash


    I could be wrong here but I believe at one stage or another every single party leader in the UK has said the referendum result needs to be respected.

    Here's what Corbyn said.


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-result-must-be-respected-a3313661.html

    Yep, Tory hating Corbyn said that. He didn't say it was illegitimate, he didn't say it was an opinion poll. He said the result must be respected.
    Tory hating arch brexiter Corbyn? I'm shocked, shocked that he would support brexit


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Lively crowd at the gates


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Lively crowd at the gates

    your not wrong listen to that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    Lively crowd at the gates

    It's quite remarkable really, not often you've heard that, even during the past few years of this nonsense.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭sondagefaux


    trellheim wrote: »

    The rebels can't demand an extension, no matter what laws are passed by Westminster.

    Under Article 50, the UK's representative on the European Council (the UK Prime Minister) has to formally request an extension and the rest of the European Council, (all 27 other member states' leaders) have to agree to the request.

    No Act of the UK parliament can compel the leaders of the EU27 to grant a request, assuming the Johnson even makes the request.

    What is the proposed penalty if Johnson ignores Westminster and refuses to make the request for an extension, his new doggie gets shot? :p

    The EU27 have said they will not grant an extension unless the UK uses it to hold a general election and/or a referendum on Brexit.

    An extension so the Brits can spend another few months trying to resolve their internal squabbles or trying in vain to get the backstop dropped from the Withdrawal Agreement won't be granted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭ath262


    still stuck with this idea that threatening no-deal brexit somehow improves chances of EU compromising on a deal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭ath262


    can anyone make out what the crowd are chanting ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,845 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    oh wow that crowd is loud, unreal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    ath262 wrote: »
    can anyone make out what the crowd are chanting ?

    Stop the coup


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,295 ✭✭✭✭briany


    They're going to need those extra 20,000 police, I'd say.

    Johnson pitching the nose down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    briany wrote: »
    They're going to need those extra 20,000 police, I'd say.

    Empty bluster, I win!! :D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Well that was pure party political broadcast - aimed at his MPs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,094 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Nothing in that. Whole thing directed towards Tory MP defectors. Simple as that.

    He was told to go out and show his face because they've been torn apart over the weekend.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    Very defiant, let's see what tomorrow brings.


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