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  • #2522
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I suspect it'll make little, if any tangible impact on the Brexit process. However, it's odd that the Queen would let herself be dragged into this for no apparent reason. Her interests would have been better served by staying away from this mess in my opinion.

    I don't really get what you mean. She just did what is always done. How did she let herself get dragged into it?


  • #2523
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    I agree. I’d love to see you post that in the thread on reunification. The unibots in there would lose their minds.

    Do you mean the one in "Current Affairs/IMHO"?

    Dear God no!

    The moderation is not stringent enough for me. I really mean that!

    Do a wee search on the threads that have popped up in "Politics" and you'll see quite clearly my posts and treatises on the matter! :)

    We are long overdue a new thread on reunifiation in here though it must be said...

    Anyways...

    ---

    The Queen was damned if she did and damned if she didn't. It's disgraceful, but she has to act on the advice of the PM.

    Go back to when May went to the Palace and recommended Alexander de Pfeffel to be PM. The Queen is not stupid, she clearly knew that his claims to commanding the house were tenuous at best, but she couldn't really disregard May's recommendation.

    Reunification, Scottish independence and destruction of the Tories feels so so so close now!


  • #2524
    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    You can't "revenge" people [sic] into reunifying their country. It's a basket case because of British mismanagment for 100 years.

    Every single party in this State - bar Renua - supports reunification as a matter of course. It doesn't even come into question that we wouldn't have a referendum in the event of the North voting "Yes".

    We need a half way house. Who wants 30 DUP members in the Dail?

    I'd vote for unification without doubt. But it needs to still have some distance. Stormant up and running, their own police force, their own independent parades commission, and other issues that have to be settled right there.

    London also has to cover most of the cost as they have been doing up to now. Germany truly understands the complexity of reuniting a country, so they will support us.


  • #2525
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,482 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't really get what you mean. She just did what is always done. How did she let herself get dragged into it?

    She's largely stayed out of Brexit-related matters though and let Parliament get on or not get on with it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #2526
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,265 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    For a country called the United Kingdom it's anything but.


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  • #2527
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    One thing is certain. When they do finally return and the queen gives her speech it’s going to be fully barbed and very much directed at Johnson et al. She’s already said she’s frustrated with the lot of them ‘lack of leadership’ she said apparently

    The "I'm sick of the lot of them" is a cop out to be honest. It's a line used just to maintain her own personal/monarchy popularity by sitting on the fence.


  • #2528
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,242 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    One thing is certain. When they do finally return and the queen gives her speech it’s going to be fully barbed and very much directed at Johnson et al. She’s already said she’s frustrated with the lot of them ‘lack of leadership’ she said apparently

    The Queen doesn't write the speech...her PM and Cabinet do.

    I wonder will the queen feign an illness and send her commissioner to give the speech.
    She did that when she was preggers with the children which is hardly a viable excuse this time.


  • #2529
    CrabRevolution
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    There seems to be a "Heads I win, tails you lose" approach taken by brexiters to political rules and conventions.

    For example they say it would be wrong for the Queen to refuse the prorogation request because it would violate tradition.
    But apparently it's fine to dismiss the house of commons from the democratic process solely to achieve a political aim, despite this also being a violation of tradition.

    Or how when it came to the WA, the opinion of the PM and cabinet didn't matter and parliament is the only authority with the power to accept or reject the withdrawal agreement.
    Yet now parliament is an irrelevance and it's for the best that it be silenced in order to carry the will of the PM and cabinet?


  • #2530
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭brickster69


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Well it actually is. By definition. :)

    Not really.

    247 constituencies of Conservative MPs voted Leave
    148 constituencies of Labour MPs voted Leave


    Including all parties, that’s a total of 415 seats where the people told Parliament to leave the EU

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #2531
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    She's largely stayed out of Brexit-related matters though and let Parliament get on or not get on with it.

    She hasn't actively gotten involved here though. She doesn't have any real power to deny the PM's request unfortunately.


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  • #2532
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    She's largely stayed out of Brexit-related matters though and let Parliament get on or not get on with it.

    There’s a good explainer here on could she have refused

    https://www.thejournal.ie/uk-brexit-constitutional-crisis-4785371-Aug2019/


  • #2533
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Although the guardian wouldn't be there place to find particularly pro monarchy postings, the fury that's being directed at Her Maj below the line there is quite something to behold.

    A relatively sleepy August has ended with a bang that's for sure.


  • #2534
    um7y1h83ge06nx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    The British like to give out about the French but the French would probably be rioting or at least having major protests if this happened in Paris.


  • #2535
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Not really.

    247 constituencies of Conservative MPs voted Leave
    148 constituencies of Labour MPs voted Leave


    Including all parties, that’s a total of 415 seats where the people told Parliament to leave the EU

    You're right. It's confusing. People for a crash out. MPs against. Best put it back to the people and put those dumbass MPs in their place.


  • #2536
    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Not really.

    247 constituencies of Conservative MPs voted Leave
    148 constituencies of Labour MPs voted Leave


    Including all parties, that’s a total of 415 seats where the people told Parliament to leave the EU

    Northern Ireland voted to stay in the EU. That legitimate vote should be respected.


  • #2537
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Derek Eager Registrar wrote: »
    The British like to give out about the French but the French would probably be rioting or at least having major protests if this happened in Paris.

    It's strange. Where are all the student protests?


  • #2538
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    I think the case can be made for the EU to agree another extension on the basis that it's just plain entertaining watching the UK pull themselves apart.


  • #2539
    trellheim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭trellheim


    247 constituencies of Conservative MPs voted Leave
    148 constituencies of Labour MPs voted Leave

    That was back when most government figures were spouting waffle like "easiest deal ever" . If you are driving and someone says "I think its down this road to the ball game " and everyone agrees, then it becomes clear when you end up at a cul-de-sac beside the sewage farm , you dont come out with crap like

    "we have to honour the will of the people, into the poo we go "

    what you will actually say is "lets back up, I think we missed a turn "


  • #2540
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,066 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Not really.

    247 constituencies of Conservative MPs voted Leave
    148 constituencies of Labour MPs voted Leave


    Including all parties, that’s a total of 415 seats where the people told Parliament to leave the EU


    Well this completely disingenuous because the election was held a year after the referendum. Do you have the numbers for how many MP's were elected who were remain vs leave?


  • #2541
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,066 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Although the guardian wouldn't be there place to find particularly pro monarchy postings, the fury that's being directed at Her Maj below the line there is quite something to behold.

    A relatively sleepy August has ended with a bang that's for sure.


    Exactly why she didn't want to be drawn into this id say, no matter what she does she can't win, Johnsons just finding another candidate to shift the blame onto.


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  • #2542
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    You're right. It's confusing. People for a crash out. MPs against. Best put it back to the people and put those dumbass MPs in their place.

    I know it is normal for referendum results that go against the EU to be re-run. But in the Uk it is normal to respect that result.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #2543
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,666 ✭✭✭✭josip


    So the Queen is requested to suspend parliament, a 'request' she cannot actually refuse.
    At the end of which, she read's the Queen's speech to parliament, except that it's not written by her, it's written by the government.
    It's all a bit of a farce really, isn't it?


  • #2544
    Infini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭Infini


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    For a country called the United Kingdom it's anything but.

    The more it goes on the more were basically seeing a rerun of the disintegration of Yugoslavia only this time it's the UK that's going to break apart. This cancerous level of human stupidity caused by these idiots has gone on for so long that it's only now were beginning to see the real consequences beginning to take shape.

    The conservative's need to go and their ranks needs to be purged of idiot's like moggs and co for being 5th column MP's for the Brexit Party/UKIP brigade, I believe it was John Major who said it that the quality of politicians today is lacking compared to 20 years ago and it shows clearly in all of this how incompetent and damaging they've become.

    I don't like it but I honestly think the UK needs to be allowed to drop out of the EU as the consequences of ideological stupidity and ignorance need to be seen to even remotely convince those who've been poisoned with lies and misinformation expecially from the likes of the Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Express. Any and all attempts to blame the EU by the UK simply can be responded with "You were warned, you didn't listen, you own, created and executed this failure yourselves, own your problems of your own creation".

    We may have to bear the short term damage of their foolishness but we don't have to take it lying down either expecially since unless it's a humanitarian issue (Medicine, food supplies), we can block them from any deal with the EU until they cooperate and stop being idiotic at least in the medium to long term we could end up with a UI and be able to keep this kind of toxic politics mostly off the island (DUP will hopefully implode in their crowning moment of idiocy to the relief of everyone up there).

    At least once this is all said and done we can get a good laugh out of all of this...


  • #2545
    ToBeFrank123
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    Look to be finally approaching the endgame now and my money is on No Deal at this stage as Johnson has wrestled back control of the process. I can't see it extending beyond 31st October and both sides are too far apart to come up with a deal.


  • #2546
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    brickster69 wrote: »
    I know it is normal for referendum results that go against the EU to be re-run. But in the Uk it is normal to respect that result.

    Yeah. UK democracy is doing an amazing job.


  • #2547
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,242 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    It's strange. Where are all the student protests?

    Student loans finished the radical student I'm afraid.


  • #2548
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭brickster69


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Well this completely disingenuous because the election was held a year after the referendum. Do you have the numbers for how many MP's were elected who were remain vs leave?

    That is the based on the referendum result not the election. Cheers.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #2549
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,066 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    brickster69 wrote: »
    That is the based on the referendum result not the election. Cheers.


    LOL so your not even taking into account the most recent general election, ****ing hilarious how far you will go to deny reality


  • #2550
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    brickster69 wrote: »
    I know it is normal for referendum results that go against the EU to be re-run. But in the Uk it is normal to respect that result.

    Actually, it isn't. It is not normal to have referendums in the UK and results have been ignored before for Scotland.


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  • #2551
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »
    We need a half way house. Who wants 30 DUP members in the Dail?

    I'd vote for unification without doubt. But it needs to still have some distance. Stormant up and running, their own police force, their own independent parades commission, and other issues that have to be settled right there.

    London also has to cover most of the cost as they have been doing up to now. Germany truly understands the complexity of reuniting a country, so they will support us.

    Eh? And what do Nationalists do in this Statelet of yours? I think it's best you step away from this one.


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