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The Brazilian Rainforest?

  • 28-08-2019 05:49AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭


    Could Ireland afford to pay the Brazilians to keep these fires in check? Could we pay €1 billion to them to fix the situation?

    I know it would cost us loads. But it could be well worth it for the future stability of our planet.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭u140acro3xs7dm


    Could Ireland afford to pay the Brazilians to keep these fires in check? Could we pay €1 billion to them to fix the situation?

    I know it would cost us loads. But it could be well worth it for the future stability of our planet.

    €1 billion for a fanny wax?


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    One billion is 0.05% of their GDP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,831 ✭✭✭degsie


    one-billion-dollars-one-billion-dollars-dr-evil-quickmeme-53083073.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,513 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    How about reforresting swathes of Ireland and Europe instead, something the EU actually has control over?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    How about we leave our own bogs and wetlands alone


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Could Ireland afford to pay the Brazilians to keep these fires in check? Could we pay €1 billion to them to fix the situation?

    I know it would cost us loads. But it could be well worth it for the future stability of our planet.

    It is needed. It really is vital to the whole planet


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭InTheShadows


    Fires in the rainforest has been happening for years how about we leave well enough alone and mind our own business


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,352 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    The UK has offered £1.5mill but you want us to donate a billion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭screamer


    Cancelling mercosur would probably do more to protect the rainforests than a billion euro. Brazil is a corrupt country like many others run by the mega wealthy and you’ve never seen anything like the poverty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭Xcellor


    If we all hold our breath for 12 seconds each minute we can do without the oxygen that the amazon produces.. Or a tax on breathing... Those who use more pay more.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,606 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    The Brazilian forest has been gradually destroyed for many decades.
    The Madagascar forest has been eighty or ninety percent lost.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_in_Madagascar

    Some young one sailing a boat is vitally important though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    How about we leave our own bogs and wetlands alone

    Absolutely, we've had people posting on threads about refusing to buy products with Palm Oil in order to save the forests. They've posted about us needing the forests and then post about using locally cut turf to heat their homes, because it's cheap. This country is awash with hypocrites when it comes to the environment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭Xcellor


    They are clearing the amazon for rearing cattle and food to feed cattle.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/23/americas/brazil-beef-amazon-rainforest-fire-intl/index.html

    The argument used in Ireland when the topic of beef farming being unsustainable and damaging to the environment is that the cows and grass are good and the grasslands absorb carbon. So is cutting down the rain forest to grow grass as bad as everyone is suggesting. :confused::confused: ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    My butler is preparing my yacht for me to sail to Brazil. That should put out the fires.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 373 ✭✭careless sherpa


    Absolutely, we've had people posting on threads about refusing to buy products with Palm Oil in order to save the forests. They've posted about us needing the forests and then post about using locally cut turf to heat their homes, because it's cheap. This country is awash with hypocrites when it comes to the environment.

    That is true and it starts at the very top with the departments and organisations speaking out if both sides of their mouths. There is a massive problem with the removal of peat for export for gardening with the main destination being the UK, the Netherlands and Germany. A lot of this is done on an absolutely enormous scale and without permit but continues unabated. There is an entire bog in north Longford that has been entirely stripped on peat back to blue clay and is now a lake. Seems like these should be the first to be targeted but nothing seems to be done


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    If any other species of animal had caused environmental damage such as global warming, pollution of the seas with plastics, destruction of rain forests - we would have culled them ages ago.

    Strange there's not much of a mention that we are the problem. There's just too many of us and the situation has become unsustainable without damaging the planet at the same time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    railer201 wrote: »
    If any other species of animal had caused environmental damage such as global warming, pollution of the seas with plastics, destruction of rain forests - we would have culled them ages ago.

    Strange there's not much of a mention that we are the problem. There's just too many of us and the situation has become unsustainable without damaging the planet at the same time.

    There is a lot of people. 6 or 7 billion at this stage. But it is sustainable if we look after our environment.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    How about reforresting swathes of Ireland and Europe instead, something the EU actually has control over?

    Totally agree. We should be planting trees all across Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭Xcellor


    Totally agree. We should be planting trees all across Europe.

    Apparently grasslands are great for helping to combat co2 emissions...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭InTheShadows


    railer201 wrote: »
    If any other species of animal had caused environmental damage such as global warming, pollution of the seas with plastics, destruction of rain forests - we would have culled them ages ago.

    Strange there's not much of a mention that we are the problem. There's just too many of us and the situation has become unsustainable without damaging the planet at the same time.

    Yet FG's stated policy is to increase the population of this country by 1 million by 2030.

    Like you said the elephant in the room is populations that are unsustainable and a lot of that is people in Africa, the middle East, India etc.. breeding like bunnies and wanting the middle class lifestyle we are all told we deserve. Yet it's never mentioned by MSM it's almost like there is an agenda.....oh wait a minute...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,513 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yes I don't understand why this island would need more people. Smaller populations should be aimed for everywhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    Yet FG's stated policy is to increase the population of this country by 1 million by 2030.

    Like you said the elephant in the room is populations that are unsustainable and a lot of that is people in Africa, the middle East, India etc.. breeding like bunnies and wanting the middle class lifestyle we are all told we deserve. Yet it's never mentioned by MSM it's almost like there is an agenda.....oh wait a minute...

    Ireland is very under populated. We could sustain another 5 million easily.

    China and India have massive populations. I don't like grouping them in with Africa as they are a bunch of different nations.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭wiggle16


    How about reforresting swathes of Ireland and Europe instead, something the EU actually has control over?

    Hi Jair!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,513 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Ireland is very under populated. We could sustain another 5 million easily.

    China and India have massive populations. I don't like grouping them in with Africa as they are a bunch of different nations.

    We've no wilderness in Ireland and very few national parks. Pretty much the whole island is farms, towns, cities and dispersed housing. How is that in the least bit underpopulated??? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,513 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    wiggle16 wrote: »
    Hi Jair!

    say what?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭wiggle16


    Xcellor wrote: »
    They are clearing the amazon for rearing cattle and food to feed cattle.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/23/americas/brazil-beef-amazon-rainforest-fire-intl/index.html

    The argument used in Ireland when the topic of beef farming being unsustainable and damaging to the environment is that the cows and grass are good and the grasslands absorb carbon. So is cutting down the rain forest to grow grass as bad as everyone is suggesting. :confused::confused: ?

    A rainforest locks up many, many times more carbon than grassland per square metre. Plus you are putting carbon into the atmosphere when you burn down a forest. Then there's the cattle themselves. Trees release far more oxygen than grass.

    So yes it's as bad.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭wiggle16


    say what?

    Jair Bolsonaro....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Xcellor wrote: »
    If we all hold our breath for 12 seconds each minute we can do without the oxygen that the amazon produces.. Or a tax on breathing... Those who use more pay more.

    What about the oxygen thieves?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,513 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    wiggle16 wrote: »
    Jair Bolsonaro....

    Oh him. Well yeah he's a gobsh*te but still, I just find the hypocrisy ridiculous giving out about them destroying their environment when we've already done it in most of Europe.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yes I don't understand why this island would need more people. Smaller populations should be aimed for everywhere.
    Indeed TM. The single most significant thing someone can do for the environment is to have one less, or no kids, but basically that doesn't work with our current economic model. The current consumerist model requires more people to make the stuff we don't need and more people to buy it(and while it has many benefits to those within such a system the lions share goes to a minority). This is why so many politicians and other vested interests are gung ho for increasing population either locally or by importing people from elsewhere.

    When I say the stuff we don't need I mean in the sense of the sheer scale of turnover that goes on today. Take the humble fridge in your kitchen. It is well within our capabilities to build a fridge that would last at least a lifetime, that could be maintained over that time. But no, they're "designed" from the get go to be replaced say every ten years. Repair and spare parts are usually only available as an option within that product cycle, if not less. Same goes for cookers, washing machines, every white good in the average home. The motorcar another example that could be made to last significantly longer, yet save for a brief period where cars could last a long time, after earlier days where reliability was a constant worry, now we're going back to a high churn in turnover where the economically useful life of the average car is tied into how long the PCP/Lease lasts and repair is becoming more difficult except through the manufacturer's network. Making all cars electric will have some positive effect, but not nearly as much as some seem to think, or is being advertised.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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