The death knell of the Irish Language

24-08-2019 01:43PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

For you and everyone else of this mind.

What are you doing to preserve it?

Admittedly, the manner in which Irish was taught at school was off-putting. A rote exercise in regurgitation. As the years have drifted by my attitude has softened towards our native tongue. I now practice it every day. Twice a week, convene over coffee with gaeilgeoirí to improve my conversational standard. I have encouraged a few others to do the same.

uch · 24-08-2019 01:57PM

paleoperson wrote: »

I don't want to be in a bilingual state, I'd rather be in a monolingual state.

And there in lies the problem, most nationalities aspire to speaking several languages, but the majority here seem to want to be like the Brits and make everyone else have to speak english rather than make an effort themselves

Andreas77 · 24-08-2019 01:58PM

Drive to work. Pension. Bring the kiddies to the new Transformers movie. Die. Only thing that matters is exponential growth. Forget your language. Live in the shadow of larger cultures. Personally I wouldn't like it, but sounds from this thread that many of you would. A little more self respect and the Irish would be divine.

whisky_galore · 24-08-2019 02:00PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

A risible suggestion. Do you really believe “native” Irish speakers in the Gaeltacht regions are sitting around their kitchen tables gabbing away “as béarla” but then they suddenly switch to Irish as someone passes the house? Living in fear that the mean old state “Cigire” is going to pounce and cut off their big juicy grant money. Come on.

They speak Irish at home and when around family/friends. The only time they won’t is when they’re with someone who doesn’t even have the “cúpla focal”. To do otherwise would just be plain rude.

Sure the ones “out West” are a strange, dark, people but what you’re saying comes across as at best naive and at worst disingenuous.

Was in a certain Kerry Gaeltacht and a local assured me that hardly anyone bothered speaking it and the status of the area may have to be looked at by powers that be.

Airyfairy12 · 24-08-2019 02:25PM

Its taught so badly in school, I dont know why its not taught the same way as English is taught to us or how ESL is taught.
When I was in school, our Irish classes consisted of reading aloud an irish book, translating the page, rhyming off an Irish poem or some Irish words, the teacher's would lose their minds if we got something wrong or didnt understand something eliminating all hope of us enjoying the subject or asking for help in which case we might have improved. They make kids hate the language and not want to learn it.
Homework consisted of learning how to spell a couple of Irish words that meant nothing to us and translating a poem or page from a story book.

Other countries can learn English fluently along side their first language as they learn it from when theyre kids, I find it incredible that the majority of Irish people cant speak Irish despite learning the language since the age of 4.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-08-2019 02:26PM

uch wrote: »

And there in lies the problem, most nationalities aspire to speaking several languages, but the majority here seem to want to be like the Brits and make everyone else have to speak english rather than make an effort themselves

Not really a fair comparison. They learn the languages beacuse they need them to communicate. We don't need Irish to communicate.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 02:28PM

janfebmar wrote: »

No.

Your anti everything Irish is showing again Jan. Again.

Loafing Oaf · 24-08-2019 02:32PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

They speak Irish at home and when around family/friends. The only time they won’t is when they’re with someone who doesn’t even have the “cúpla focal”.

That's in the hardcore areas. But they're a bit narrower than the areas officially designated as Gaeltachts...

janfebmar · 24-08-2019 02:46PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Your anti everything Irish is showing again Jan. Again.

I love many things Irish, stop moaning ffs. Irish was beaten in to me at school though, and too much taxpayers money is wasted on it now. If it is your hobby, fine.

Insect Overlord · 24-08-2019 02:50PM

Hobby
Bad teaching
Taxpayers' money
Peig
Beat into

Only missing a few clichés now for the full house in Anti-Irish Bingo.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 02:53PM

janfebmar wrote: »

I love many things Irish, stop moaning ffs. Irish was beaten in to me at school though, and too much taxpayers money is wasted on it now. If it is your hobby, fine.

Oh so that catholic teacher did hit you? You denied it previously even though you said a catholic teacher beat you. Circles and roundabouts with you as usual. Do you remember any Irish?
Surely if it as beaten into you you’d be fluent no?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-08-2019 03:02PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Oh so that catholic teacher did hit you? You denied it previously even though you said a catholic teacher beat you. Circles and roundabouts with you as usual. Do you remember any Irish?
Surely if it as beaten into you you’d be fluent no?

How would that situation arise (or are you being sarcastic?)

Was beaten into me to (or attempted, if we're going to split hairs) but I have no animosity for the actual language. It didn't carry out the bearing.

But the result is that I have no interest in it either, and never will.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 03:05PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

How would that situation arise (or are you being sarcastic?)

Was beaten into me to (or attempted, if we're going to split hairs) but I have no animosity for itthe actual language. It didn't carry out the bearing.

But the result is that I have no interest in it either, and never will.

Thats understandable. It’s how it's taught is the problem. There’s consensus on that I reckon.
Im in love with your username by the way

Emmersonn · 24-08-2019 03:06PM

Filmer Paradise wrote: »

I couldn't give a shiney sh1te about it really.:)

Póg mo thón Poll Mucha thú

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 03:12PM

Know the way the United ireland thing is coming down the line?
One of the compromises is we’re going to have to drop Irish as the language of the state to appease the always aggrieved unionists.
I’ll bet my house everyone will be singing a different song then.
You’ll all be outraged and furious the bloody fake wanna be brits trying to take our language off us.
It’ll spark an Irish language revolution.
This is coming. Bet on it.

janfebmar · 24-08-2019 03:27PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Know the way the United ireland thing is coming down the line?
One of the compromises is we’re going to have to drop Irish as the language of the state..

Hang on a sec. A United Ireland is not coming down the line, we could not afford it and do not want the extremists from both sides anyway. And Irish is not the language of the state, you never see it in a newsagent or book shop or hear it spoken. Up the yard with ye, as they say.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 03:39PM

janfebmar wrote: »

Hang on a sec. A United Ireland is not coming down the line, we could not afford it and do not want the extremists from both sides anyway. And Irish is not the language of the state, you never see it in a newsagent or book shop or hear it spoken. Up the yard with ye, as they say.

It’s the primary and official language of the state.
You’d know that if you lived here. Which is dubious given your history.
the UI is coming. Like it or not.
One of your other accounts said the conversation wouldn’t even Happen yet there’s endless polls and debates on it now. Thanks brexit.

tipptom · 24-08-2019 03:42PM

janfebmar wrote: »

Hang on a sec. A United Ireland is not coming down the line, we could not afford it and do not want the extremists from both sides anyway. And Irish is not the language of the state, you never see it in a newsagent or book shop or hear it spoken. Up the yard with ye, as they say.

I'm going to start a thread on is traditional Irish music dead for the craic just to see you jumping in,your like Sammy Wilson on steroids.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 24-08-2019 03:45PM

One of the reasons I can’t take this debate seriously is it never has political traction outside the internet. To be clear the constitution will have to change if you don’t want to live in a bilingual state. So organise and get the required politicans onboard and then get an amendment proposed in the Dail, and then campaign to pass the referendum on the amendment.

I’m not a huge fan of Irish but for cultural reasons I’d keep it.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 03:54PM

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

One of the reasons I can’t take this debate seriously is it never has political traction outside the internet. To be clear the constitution will have to change if you don’t want to live in a bilingual state. So organise and get the required politicans onboard and then get an amendment proposed in the Dail, and then campaign to pass the referendum on the amendment.

I’m not a huge fan of Irish but for cultural reasons I’d keep it.

One of the above accounts insists July 12 orange parades are a culture vital to society and demands they be kept yet aggressively and often bizarrely rails against the Irish language and Irish people in general whenever the word Irish is even posted on boards, they appear to rail against it us and all things we are.
I’ll leave you to figure out who that might be.

riclad · 24-08-2019 03:59PM

Maybe it could be reversed ,if the teaching of irish in schools was completely changed , when i was at school, irish was about reading peig,
the most miserable woman who ever lived, the famine, storys set in the 18 th century, storys about poor farmers in the west.it was all slightly depressing and old fashioned .
no reference to modern live ,tv, pop music .
It was like reading textbooks written in 1910.
Not exactly relevant to teens growing up in dublin .
There were no storys about modern life, the joy of life ,
there were no storys from modern writers .
i cannot speak irish, i know a few words of irish,
even though i studied it for 5 years.

I see no sign of anyone trying to change the teaching of irish in school,
or making it more relevant .
so what will happen the irish language will become a very niche
pastime, the no who speak it will decline every year.

Maybe they could have revived irish in the 70.s or the 80.s .
At some point in the 70.s trad music was cool,
i can see no sign of any new bands like clannad appearing .

nowadays kids have social media. youtube, the internet ,
Why would they be even bothered speaking irish outside school ?
English is the language of the web.

Irish should be a voluntary subject after the inter cert,
let those people who want to learn it do so.
i Think the irish educational system is like a large ship . it takes a long time to change direction.
Every minor change has to go through committees before it go,s into effect.

EmmetSpiceland · 24-08-2019 03:59PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

One of the above accounts insists July 12 orange parades are a culture vital to society and demands they be kept yet aggressively and often bizarrely rails against the Irish language and Irish people in general whenever the word Irish is even posted on boards, they appear to rail against it us and all things we are.
I’ll leave you to figure out who that might be.

If we do end up with a “United Ireland” we’re looking at Orange Order parades and the Ulster-Scots “language” become part of our shared culture.

We’re not going to be getting away with the tricolour, Amhrán na bhFiann and the “whackery” that goes with it. We will be one people, one nation and one state.

janfebmar · 24-08-2019 04:01PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

It’s the primary and official language of the state.
You’d know that if you lived here. Which is dubious given your history.
the UI is coming.

Of course I live here and have done so for probably more decades than you. Irish is not really used, I never see it on meal menus, in newsagents or bookshops etc. And with 11 out of 18 mp's in N. Ireland still unionist, I cannot see a United Ireland coming as long as the UK keeps giving it 11 billion per year. Dream on regardless anyway.

riclad · 24-08-2019 04:16PM

Its the language of the irish state,
i have never received any letter or bill in
irish , i think there,s very few gardai who are fluent in irish.
Maybe i should stop paying my bills unless they are written in irish as a form of protest.
If you live in france i think all official government letters you receive would be written in irish .
if you write to a french official you would be expected to write in the french language.
I think maybe less than 10 per cent of irish people can hold a casual conversation in irish , I exclude teachers or tg4 presenters who are paid to speak it as part of their job.
maybe its like trad irish music ,
If ordinary irish people do not use it or practise it it will decline
no matter what some government body or committee doe,s .

steddyeddy · 24-08-2019 04:26PM

janfebmar wrote: »

I love many things Irish, stop moaning ffs. Irish was beaten in to me at school though, and too much taxpayers money is wasted on it now. If it is your hobby, fine.

You're previous incarnation stated you grew up in a unionist school. How was Irish beaten into you?

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 04:28PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

If we do end up with a “United Ireland” we’re looking at Orange Order parades and the Ulster-Scots “language” become part of our shared culture.

We’re not going to be getting away with the tricolour, Amhrán na bhFiann and the “whackery” that goes with it. We will be one people, one nation and one state.

They’ll have to compromise too. And we won’t have to deal with it. It’s not like they’d bother parading down o Connell st. They wouldn’t be allowed despite Leo’s fluff. Ulster exits isn’t taken seriously even among unionists. It’s an accent at best but I’d be for affording it recognition as it is an actual distinct cultural point. One of the few they have.
All up for play is the anthem and flag. They’re represented on the flag already though.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 04:32PM

janfebmar wrote: »

Of course I live here and have done so for probably more decades than you. Irish is not really used, I never see it on meal menus, in newsagents or bookshops etc. And with 11 out of 18 mp's in N. Ireland still unionist, I cannot see a United Ireland coming as long as the UK keeps giving it 11 billion per year. Dream on regardless anyway.

You just stated it’s not the official language of the state. You literally just said that. You are wrong. You’d know it’s the official language of the state if you lived here. I doubt you do. Many others doubt it too.
Typical Jan. Always the same not admitting what you just said and wild wheel spins to get out of the hole you just dug.
You’re about to see Johnson throw the DUP overboard in brexit and a border in the sea. A massive economic boost for NI but the dup lose their minds. So a United ireland in all but name. And inevitably reunification to follow.

Dravokivich · 24-08-2019 04:44PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

It’s the primary and official language of the state.
You’d know that if you lived here. Which is dubious given your history.
the UI is coming. Like it or not.
One of your other accounts said the conversation wouldn’t even Happen yet there’s endless polls and debates on it now. Thanks brexit.

How is it primary if everything by the state is done in english first?

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 24-08-2019 04:52PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

How is it primary if everything by the state is done in english first?

Its the first official language in the constitution.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 04:52PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

How is it primary if everything by the state is done in english first?

You’re not from here either?
It’s the official language of the state.
You know or understand that much?

The death knell of the Irish Language

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