Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Steoller · 20-08-2019 01:39PM

Steoller wrote: »

Update on the above:

Incident took place on 15th of February. I had attended a local policing meeting on 29th of March, raised my concern that I hadn't gotten any call after 6 weeks. The Superintendent asked the Community Garda present to take my details.

I got a call yesterday from the local Community Garda. The member who was assigned my report had tried to call me twice, apparently - I have not received calls, missed or otherwise. Benefit of the doubt - maybe the Trafficwatch agent took my details down wrong.

I've been asked to give a statement next week, and submit any footage.

Update: I finally had direct contact with the Garda handling my issue, almost 6 months after the incident. Arranged to meet, and gave a statement last night. Delay was caused by wrong details being passed on from trafficwatch, so the lesson here is double check your submissions.

Now we play the waiting game. again.

italodisco · 20-08-2019 04:42PM

We had the green man to cross (I was on foot) , the cyclist was roaring about how he had the green light for cyclists so I took it in good faith that maybe he did as well .

Whilst getting the green pedestrian light to cross the sound was also audible.

So if what your saying is right then the cyclist was lying , which makes him another level of arse altogether.

I don't know why people bother arguing, life is so much easier simply saying 'ah god sorry chap' and leaving it at that.

AndrewJRenko · 20-08-2019 09:14PM

Steoller wrote: »

Update: I finally had direct contact with the Garda handling my issue, almost 6 months after the incident. Arranged to meet, and gave a statement last night. Delay was caused by wrong details being passed on from trafficwatch, so the lesson here is double check your submissions.

Now we play the waiting game. again.

Good to see it finally progressing, but isn't there a time limit for such offences - shorter than six months afaik.

AndrewJRenko · 20-08-2019 09:15PM

italodisco wrote: »

We had the green man to cross (I was on foot) , the cyclist was roaring about how he had the green light for cyclists so I took it in good faith that maybe he did as well .

Whilst getting the green pedestrian light to cross the sound was also audible.

So if what your saying is right then the cyclist was lying , which makes him another level of arse altogether.

I don't know why people bother arguing, life is so much easier simply saying 'ah god sorry chap' and leaving it at that.

That's a bit different to your original statement: "cyclists got their green to go across the bridge"

AndrewJRenko · 20-08-2019 10:58PM

Maybe cyclists aren't our biggest problem at that bridge;

https://streamable.com/zmzvt

average_runner · 21-08-2019 09:22AM

CramCycle wrote: »

Does it really matter, a pedestrian was on the road, by the sounds of it the cyclist could stop, Lifting the pedestrian out of it achieves nothing. Say careful there if they were in the wrong was as far as it should have went.

regrettably there are a small number of people who will not notice everyone else doing the right thing, and paint every cyclist in their mind with the same brush. You'll never change their minds, don't try.

And if that was a car on the road and it hit the pedestrian, the car insurance company would pay up straight away, happen to a former worker of ours.

average_runner · 21-08-2019 09:25AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

That's a bit different to your original statement: "cyclists got their green to go across the bridge"

Even if the pedestrian crosses on a red, the cylists/motorists or scooter has to stop. Silly pedestrian and plenty out there

Tombo2001 · 21-08-2019 10:19AM

average_runner wrote: »

Even if the pedestrian crosses on a red, the cylists/motorists or scooter has to stop. Silly pedestrian and plenty out there

I was at this junction yesterday.

A few points to make -

This probably isn't an excuse but its worth taking into account.

The 'cyclist' light.

If you are in Stockholm, there are 5000 of these. People are used to them.

In Dublin - there are probably less than 20. People, including cyclists, are not used to using them.

At this particular junction - the cyclist light on the far side of the road is quite far away, and the light is very small. There are often people in front of it. Its easy not to notice it.

Steoller · 21-08-2019 10:31AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Good to see it finally progressing, but isn't there a time limit for such offences - shorter than six months afaik.

I'm not sure what the statute of limitations is, but perhaps by following me to have a go after the fact, makes this more than just a dangerous driving complaint. As I say, I don't know. We'll see how the process goes.

gmacww · 21-08-2019 10:46AM

Not a near miss but here is an angle we often don't talk about. Certainly not on here.

Every morning cycling the N81 into work a truck (40ft) comes up behind me. Many do but this one in particular is memorable. He first passed me about 6 months or so ago. He waits patiently behind, not right up me but a good distance. As soon as I can see the road clear and there is enough for him to over take I wave him on by and always he beeps twice on his way pass and I wave. Always a very pleasant interaction. That was 6 or so months back.

Now I don't know if drivers talk to each other over radios but in the past few months I've seen more and more truck drivers doing this to me. On the N81 all the regular trucks that I meet always provide lots of room and beep as they pass. Thank you folks you've no idea how appreciated it is.

On another note yesterday on the way home a revelation hit me. I was going up the N81 in absolute monsoon conditions. Many times I had to signal out into the lane to indicate I was moving out to avoid massive gatherings of water on the side. Not a single even remotely close pass all the way home. It seems the shocking weather put every driver on top form. Was great.

CramCycle · 21-08-2019 10:47AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Maybe cyclists aren't our biggest problem at that bridge;

https://streamable.com/zmzvt

I can't figure out which point your trying to make, as I can't see the lights change, is it that there is too big a delay between the lights changing?

Salary Negotiator · 21-08-2019 10:51AM

gmacww wrote: »

Not a near miss but here is an angle we often don't talk about. Certainly not on here.

Every morning cycling the N81 into work a truck (40ft) comes up behind me. Many do but this one in particular is memorable. He first passed me about 6 months or so ago. He waits patiently behind, not right up me but a good distance. As soon as I can see the road clear and there is enough for him to over take I wave him on by and always he beeps twice on his way pass and I wave. Always a very pleasant interaction. That was 6 or so months back.

Now I don't know if drivers talk to each other over radios but in the past few months I've seen more and more truck drivers doing this to me. On the N81 all the regular trucks that I meet always provide lots of room and beep as they pass. Thank you folks you've no idea how appreciated it is.

On another note yesterday on the way home a revelation hit me. I was going up the N81 in absolute monsoon conditions. Many times I had to signal out into the lane to indicate I was moving out to avoid massive gatherings of water on the side. Not a single even remotely close pass all the way home. It seems the shocking weather put every driver on top form. Was great.

I think good behaviour breeds good behviour, I've noticed that if I'm driving and I indicate around a cyclist the vehicle behind will too and this is on roads where people often don't (though I can't say whether the vehicle behind would have done so anyway).

I also think that when the weather is poor, drivers are more aware of cyclists/pedestrians etc because the poor conditions shunt them out of autopilot so they are thinking more about what they do.

Salary Negotiator · 21-08-2019 10:54AM

CramCycle wrote: »

I can't figure out which point your trying to make, as I can't see the lights change, is it that there is too big a delay between the lights changing?

Not allowed turn left onto the bridge.

Tombo2001 · 21-08-2019 11:19AM

CramCycle wrote: »

I can't figure out which point your trying to make, as I can't see the lights change, is it that there is too big a delay between the lights changing?

There is no left turn.

To be fair - it does feck all harm when someone does a left turn. Its the type of rule breaking I would liken to cyclists breaking lights. Breaking the rules, but not dangerous driving.

(I get the sense I may have written a number of controversial things just there ….)

Tombo2001 · 21-08-2019 11:22AM

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

I think good behaviour breeds good behviour, I've noticed that if I'm driving and I indicate around a cyclist the vehicle behind will too and this is on roads where people often don't (though I can't say whether the vehicle behind would have done so anyway).

I also think that when the weather is poor, drivers are more aware of cyclists/pedestrians etc because the poor conditions shunt them out of autopilot so they are thinking more about what they do.

I'd say the opposite - reduced visibility and people are frazzled by the deadlock.

CramCycle · 21-08-2019 11:22AM

I think it was the red ped light threw me. You can turn right with thee filter from the far side and that is it. Another flaw of Irish infrastructure. The ped light should go green whenever peds have the right of way and not only if someone has pushed a button. Really f'in stupid

gmacww · 21-08-2019 11:35AM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

There is no left turn.

To be fair - it does feck all harm when someone does a left turn.

The reason there is no left turn onto that bridge though was not a safety issue it was light sequencing and buildup on guild street. Talking to a traffic planner at a meeting one evening about it he told me during the design phase the sequence of lights at both ends of the bridge would see a large build up on the bridge if traffic can go left. The bridge will be clogged given the south sequence which will mean guild will be a standstill when they get the green light as the bridge will be full. The knock-on affect of this is of course Amien St. It's the reason a lot of cars on the north quays turn up Park Lane.

Tombo2001 · 21-08-2019 11:42AM

gmacww wrote: »

The reason there is no left turn onto that bridge though was not a safety issue it was light sequencing and buildup on guild street. Talking to a traffic planner at a meeting one evening about it he told me during the design phase the sequence of lights at both ends of the bridge would see a large build up on the bridge if traffic can go left. The bridge will be clogged given the south sequence which will mean guild will be a standstill when they get the green light as the bridge will be full. The knock-on affect of this is of course Amien St. It's the reason a lot of cars on the north quays turn up Park Lane.

Fair point.

About five years ago I had to drive from Eastwall to Harcourt Street in evening rush hour. I went via the 3 Arena.

My god trying to get across the river was a nightmare, I was bamboozled.

Which was something I was previously unaware of, and since then have never experienced, thanks to the bike.

To think there are people making this commute every single day.....

blackwhite · 21-08-2019 11:49AM

gmacww wrote: »

The reason there is no left turn onto that bridge though was not a safety issue it was light sequencing and buildup on guild street. Talking to a traffic planner at a meeting one evening about it he told me during the design phase the sequence of lights at both ends of the bridge would see a large build up on the bridge if traffic can go left. The bridge will be clogged given the south sequence which will mean guild will be a standstill when they get the green light as the bridge will be full. The knock-on affect of this is of course Amien St. It's the reason a lot of cars on the north quays turn up Park Lane.

I worked close by when the bridge was being installed. The company made enquiries about it at the time, and we were informed the reason for no left turn was to prevent people using it to avoid the Eastlink toll - which it was feared would lead to congestion on Macken St and Pearse St/Ringsend Rd.

Same reason that there's no left turn allowed at the junction of Sheriff St upper and Guild St.

blackwhite · 21-08-2019 11:55AM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Fair point.

About five years ago I had to drive from Eastwall to Harcourt Street in evening rush hour. I went via the 3 Arena.

My god trying to get across the river was a nightmare, I was bamboozled.

Which was something I was previously unaware of, and since then have never experienced, thanks to the bike.

To think there are people making this commute every single day.....

Only legal way to get from the North Quays between the Convention Centre and the Point onto the Samuel Becket in a car is to either turn in behind PwC, come across the Luas bridge and out onto Guild St (at lights where the yellow box for turning onto Guild St are routinely blocked); or else to go past the bridge and then come back up on Mayor St and turn onto Guild St.

Whilst I can understand the logic of making it harder for commuters to drive into the city centre - this is also the first part of the City's traffic system that many tourists arriving into Dublin Port will experience - the signage needs to be improved massively

Stark · 21-08-2019 12:08PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I'd say the opposite - reduced visibility and people are frazzled by the deadlock.

Yup. I hate cycling on rainy days, not because of getting wet (I have decent raingear), but because I encounter so much more stupid dangerous **** on those days.

JazzyJ · 21-08-2019 08:13PM

Not a near miss but encountered a ridiculously enraged driver this afternoon on St. Stephens Green East.

Pulled up to red lights here intending to take the right turn onto Merrion Row.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/muc7fwKtoeH4uf6w9

I moved across the advanced stop box (in which said driver was 3/4 the way in) to the centre of middle lane. Cue lots of revving of the engine and shouting something or other out the window. Took no notice.

Once the lights go green he lays on the horn, and takes off wheel spinning into the right lane past me, and then cuts back across the two lanes to make the left turn past the Shelbourne. Stops at a red lights at that junction of course and is screaming at me that I should be in the bike lane!

I was going to question his heritage but thought the better of it and continued on my way about town encountering plenty of courteous drivers.

AndrewJRenko · 21-08-2019 09:14PM

Near enough miss for this cyclist pushing through against a u-turning idiot driver;

https://streamable.com/lx7mx

magicbastarder · 21-08-2019 09:20PM

that cyclist was a bleeding idiot there. it was quite clear what the driver was doing but the cyclist proceeded anyway.

crisco10 · 21-08-2019 10:47PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

that cyclist was a bleeding idiot there. it was quite clear what the driver was doing but the cyclist proceeded anyway.

Hard not to agree. In the spirit of the post a while back, good behaviour breeds good behaviour the cyclist could have slowed a little to allow the car complete it's u turn and stop blocking the road.

AndrewJRenko · 21-08-2019 10:55PM

crisco10 wrote: »

Hard not to agree. In the spirit of the post a while back, good behaviour breeds good behaviour the cyclist could have slowed a little to allow the car complete it's u turn and stop blocking the road.

That's one option. Or the driver could not have done an illegal u-turn in the first place. Or the driver could have given way to the cyclist and not blocked cycle traffic.

Etc · 21-08-2019 11:00PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

That's one option. Or the driver could not have done an illegal u-turn in the first place. Or the driver could have given way to the cyclist and not blocked cycle traffic.

Or the cyclist could have not risked his own neck like the one behind...

TheChizler · 21-08-2019 11:02PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

That's one option. Or the driver could not have done an illegal u-turn in the first place.

What was illegal about it?

AndrewJRenko · 21-08-2019 11:03PM

Etc wrote: »

Or the cyclist could have not risked his own neck like the one behind...

I think that option was well covered when I said "that's one option'.

AndrewJRenko · 21-08-2019 11:11PM

TheChizler wrote: »

What was illegal about it?

It wasn't "completely safe" and he didn't give way to all other road users or check carefully for cyclists.

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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