Chinese tyres. I am glad ......

GreeBo · 16-08-2019 03:04PM

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

Because cars aren’t about getting from A to B for a lot of people. Some of us by cars that’s are meant to be driven hard (but safely). Do you not get enjoyment pushing on a car on a nice back road?

The issue is that the “edge” moves considerably depending on the tyres. What I would consider normal driving I’ve had the rear end kick out and had bad understeer when driving a car with crap tyres. Doing the same piece of driving on premium tyres far faster and not even a hit of grip loss.

Also you will find that when cheap tyres lose grip they just let go where as say the Good year Eagles I always fit lose grip in a very controllable and gradual way. It’s great fun pushing the car up and feeling it start to slide but easily keeping it under control but I wouldn’t dream of it on cheap tyres as they are far too unpredictable.

Knowing the limits of the car, tyres etc I would see as essential in safe driving. I push every car, every tyre etc last their limits often to find where they are (as tyres wear it changes etc). Plenty of safe place and to do it like wide deserted roundabouts at night say.

Same for weather xondisurona the first thing I do on a frosty morning is do a few hard brake tests and do a quick hard blip of the accelerator in first to test grip levels.

As above the limits move significantly depending on tyres.

For many particularly those who post on a motors forum a car is a lot more than just something for getting from A to B.

Can't imagine why people have an issue with boy racers.
You drive hard so that you know the limits for when you are driving hard?

So don't drive hard and you won't need to drive hard?

People with guns also use them for enjoyment...they don't use them on back roads or roundabouts though.

I actually can't believe you made that post sincerely, it's moronic to the point of trolling.

quokula · 16-08-2019 03:07PM

blackbox wrote: »

Do you use the cheapest detergent available in your cheap washing machine?

Are you delighted with the results?

If there were national washing limits in place that were well inside the capabilities of all washing machines and detergents, and I knew that washing more vigorously than that could potentially endanger myself and others, then I'd give it some consideration.

16-08-2019 03:11PM

bladespin wrote: »

Absolutely, but not on the road, it's utter twattery to suggest otherwise.
I've had all sorts of high performance fun but there's a time and more importantly a place for this, the road's not it.

Well you would be in the minority, spirited driving on the roads is something the vast majority of drivers who drive interesting cars partake in and partake safely also.

Ever watch car shows on tv when they are push lovely winding mountain roads on the continent etc?

GreeBo wrote: »

Can't imagine why people have an issue with boy racers.
You drive hard so that you know the limits for when you are driving hard?

So don't drive hard and you won't need to drive hard?

People with guns also use them for enjoyment...they don't use them on back roads or roundabouts though.

I actually can't believe you made that post sincerely, it's moronic to the point of trolling.

What have boy racers got to do with it? I’m very far from a boy racer what ever gave you that idea.

You know the limits for when the unexpected happens.

The analogy you attempted with guns has to be the worst attempt an an analogy ever written.

Honestly anyone who thinks budget Chinese tyres are as good as premium tyres and enable you to drive the same way really doesn’t have a clue and isn’t worth listening to.

bladespin · 16-08-2019 03:17PM

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

Well you would be in the minority, spirited driving on the roads is something the vast majority of drivers who drive interesting cars partake in and partake safely also.

If you're finding the limit then you're not driving safely, that's the definition of wreckless driving (literally). Get thee to a track where real drivers can teach you how.

16-08-2019 03:47PM

bladespin wrote: »

If you're finding the limit then you're not driving safely, that's the definition of wreckless driving (literally). Get thee to a track where real drivers can teach you how.

You obviously find the limits when it’s safe to do so, and there are plenty of opportunities to do this on the road. When you know the limits and how the car behaves/how to come back from the limit it’s then much safer to have a little fun in more general driving.

lawred2 · 16-08-2019 04:12PM

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

Same for weather the first thing I do on a frosty morning is do a few hard brake tests and do a quick hard blip of the accelerator in first to test grip levels.

jesus christ

lawred2 · 16-08-2019 04:21PM

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

You know the limits for when the unexpected happens.

this doesn't make any sense?

How can you know the limits? Because to find the limit means you've lost control?

Also any 'limits' you do find (:rolleyes:) are only relevant for that stretch of road, that surface material, that road condition, that road temperature, the current weather etc etc

Because around the corner could be a farmer walking his herd of cattle who have kindly deposited **** and muck all over the road... some use your knowledge of the limits up to that point are now!

brake testing on ice... are you actively trying to find your way into a spin?

Dravokivich · 16-08-2019 04:38PM

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

Well you would be in the minority, spirited driving on the roads is something the vast majority of drivers who drive interesting cars partake in and partake safely also.

Ever watch car shows on tv when they are push lovely winding mountain roads on the continent etc?

What have boy racers got to do with it? I’m very far from a boy racer what ever gave you that idea.

You know the limits for when the unexpected happens.

The analogy you attempted with guns has to be the worst attempt an an analogy ever written.

Honestly anyone who thinks budget Chinese tyres are as good as premium tyres and enable you to drive the same way really doesn’t have a clue and isn’t worth listening to.

You dont think TV shows scout ahead for clearance or close off roads?

16-08-2019 04:40PM

lawred2 wrote: »

this doesn't make any sense?

How can you know the limits? Because to find the limit means you've lost control?

What’s your definition of limits? You can go beyond the grip limit without losing control for example. Going beyond the limit isn’t hitting a wall.

lawred2 wrote: »

Also any 'limits' you do find (:rolleyes:) are only relevant for that stretch of road, that surface material, that road condition, that road temperature, the current weather etc etc

Of course it’s relevant as if you know our car you can immediately recognize how it’s behaving and if something happens like you lose the rear or start under steering you have experienced it before and have a good chance of regaining control rather than panicking and wondering what’s going on.

lawred2 wrote: »

Because around the corner could be a farmer walking his herd of cattle who have kindly deposited **** and muck all over the road... some use your knowledge of the limits up to that point are now!

See above this is the exact type of reason you should know how a car reacts beyond the limits, I was actually going to give the example of dirt on a road in my previous post.

lawred2 wrote: »

brake testing on ice... are you actively trying to find your way into a spin?

Brake testing at slow speed is not going to put you into a spin, if I want to spin I can do that too but that’s if having fun rather than just testing conditions. I can’t believe you would see testing the conditions as being a bad thing. This is not on a busy road like what ever situation you are dreaming up.

Dravokivich wrote: »

You dont think TV shows scout ahead for clearance or close off roads?

Sometimes yes sometimes no but the point is that they didn’t invent that type of trip it’s something people do here and abroad for many many years. Have fun in their cars on nice roads. They are just demonstrating the cars doing what they are designed to do and what most owners will do with them.

GreeBo · 16-08-2019 06:52PM

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

What have boy racers got to do with it? I’m very far from a boy racer what ever gave you that idea.

Perhaps it was your post about testing the limits on back roads, or roundabouts or frosty roads?
"I push every car, every tyre etc last their limits often"

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

You know the limits for when the unexpected happens.

thats such a nonsense, childish, "I've watched too many Vin Diesel movies" reply.
This isn't some movie where the only way you avoid a tip is by dropping into 2nd and drifting around some obstacle. Thank goodness you practice this exact move every weekend in Tesco carpark.

Instead you drive like a normal person and just stop if an obstacle appears.

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

The analogy you attempted with guns has to be the worst attempt an an analogy ever written.

No, its a reckless person testing limits and endangering other people. Take a look in the mirror chief, thats you.

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

Honestly anyone who thinks budget Chinese tyres are as good as premium tyres and enable you to drive the same way really doesn’t have a clue and isn’t worth listening to.

Honestly thats not what people are saying. What they *are* actually saying is that you dont need super high performance tires if you drive like a normal person. Of course higher performance tires give higher performance than lower performance tires...but in the same way that the 45 year old fatso in lyrcra doesnt really need that titanium bottle guard to shave off those extra 3oz, you dont need track level tires to do your donuts on the back roads.

Frankly, grow up.

The Rape of Lucretia · 16-08-2019 07:47PM

The prejudice against Chinese tyres is just brand snobbery.
All tyres a so so well capable of handling all safe driving that no one ever reaches the limit of them if doing so. Anyone who can feel a difference (and most likely they cannot - they are simply victims of confirmation bias to justify they extra expense), then they are driving dangerously whatever tyres are on their motorcar. Even the OP shows how deep the brain washing goes - had to brake, and saw others brake - and the mind is prompted by the power of advertising to think and post of the superiority of the tyres on their car without any evidence WHATSOEVER to justify the conclusion.

Bigus · 16-08-2019 08:01PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN6JSH1f3rI

16-08-2019 08:56PM

GreeBo wrote: »

No, its a reckless person testing limits and endangering other people. Take a look in the mirror chief, thats you.

I’m neither reckless nor endanger anyone. Using crap tyres on the other hand...

GreeBo wrote: »

Honestly thats not what people are saying. What they *are* actually saying is that you dont need super high performance tires if you drive like a normal person. Of course higher performance tires give higher performance than lower performance tires...but in the same way that the 45 year old fatso in lyrcra doesnt really need that titanium bottle guard to shave off those extra 3oz, you dont need track level tires to do your donuts on the back roads.

Frankly, grow up.

Grow up? it’s you and a few others who refuse to understand the massive difference good tyres make that need to grow up.

It’s not just when driving a car on in every single situation the car with premium tyres will stop faster, often considerably faster. How can you not see that as being a big deal?

The Rape of Lucretia · 16-08-2019 09:08PM

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

Grow up? it’s you and a few others who refuse to understand the massive difference good tyres make that need to grow up.

The difference isnt massive. Its negligible to non existent for safe drivers in real world driving. But people are easily deceived by woolly trite lines and pseudo scientific tests, like 'they are your only contact with the road', 'Chinese quality control is crap', and 'you cant put a price on your safety'. But, a fool and his money, etc.

wonski · 16-08-2019 09:18PM

That video above is hilarious. I now have part worn tires that I want to get rid of based on that video

They were brand new when I bought them, though.

That video is the most bollocky video I have seen here in a while

colm_mcm · 16-08-2019 10:25PM

Nothing like a tyre thread to being the loonies out.

GreeBo · 16-08-2019 10:48PM

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

I’m neither reckless nor endanger anyone. Using crap tyres on the other hand...

You push your car to the limits on public roads...that's reckless and endangering other road users. What about the other guy on the back roads testing the limits in the other direction?
Or the biker or walker?

Grow up? it’s you and a few others who refuse to understand the massive difference good tyres make that need to grow up.

It’s not just when driving a car on in every single situation the car with premium tyres will stop faster, often considerably faster. How can you not see that as being a big deal?

Driving slower stops you faster too.
I'm not refusing to acknowledge the difference, I'm saying it's mostly irrelevant. Do you have rally car brakes on your car? How about a roll bar?

17-08-2019 12:07AM

GreeBo wrote: »

You push your car to the limits on public roads...that's reckless and endangering other road users. What about the other guy on the back roads testing the limits in the other direction?
Or the biker or walker?

I never said I push to the limits on roads where three is a chance of meeting someone. Big wide roundabouts where you can clearly see no one is around for example is a very good and safe place to test your tyre performance.

GreeBo wrote: »

Driving slower stops you faster too.
I'm not refusing to acknowledge the difference, I'm saying it's mostly irrelevant. Do you have rally car brakes on your car? How about a roll bar?

No matter what speed you drive you will still stop faster with a premium tyre, often by multiple car lengths. That’s the difference between crashing and not, hitting a person or not. They will also perform far worse at motorway speeds in the wet or of hitting standing water. Watch the video linked you are in a wall backwards on budget tyres and barely wobble on the premium tyres.

My car has performance oriented brakes as standard, much larger than a standard model of the car but obviously not “rally car brakes”.

Dravokivich · 17-08-2019 09:31AM

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

I never said I push to the limits on roads where three is a chance of meeting someone. Big wide roundabouts where you can clearly see no one is around for example is a very good and safe place to test your tyre performance.

No matter what speed you drive you will still stop faster with a premium tyre, often by multiple car lengths. That’s the difference between crashing and not, hitting a person or not. They will also perform far worse at motorway speeds in the wet or of hitting standing water. Watch the video linked you are in a wall backwards on budget tyres and barely wobble on the premium tyres.

My car has performance oriented brakes as standard, much larger than a standard model of the car but obviously not “rally car brakes”.

What are you testing it against and how are you measuring controls? We are not talking about tires by the way. Their is a big issue with some peoples attitudes to driving here. And its nuts to think that should be normal, because of what some entertainers did on tv. You wouldn't jump off a building becuase you saw superman fly.

17-08-2019 09:43AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

What are you testing it against and how are you measuring controls?

I have a bit of fun sliding the car that’s all but it also tells me what it feels like when grip is lost, how to stop the slide, how the car reacts etc. This is all far less dramatic than you imagine.

It will very quickly show you how crap budget tyres are though and if it taught that to people the practice would be worth it alone.

Dravokivich wrote: »

Their is a big issue with some peoples attitudes to driving here. And its nuts to think that should be normal, because of what some entertainers did on tv. You wouldn't jump off a building becuase you saw superman fly.

Spirited driving on back roads is normal, if it wasn’t people wouldn’t be buying the cars they do. It’s nothing to do with tv that was just an example to show what these cars are made for, fast progress and safe enjoyment. I can’t believe anyone is actually finding issue with such a normal everyday thing as spirited driving in a car that’s made to do it I think you are severely underestimating how common, normal and safe a thing it is to do.

I’m not a child so no need for the “if a man jumped off a building would you” statement that I haven’t heard since I was 10.

I don’t even know how people have managed to drag this thread down this alley way over a fairly simple statement that a bit of testing will demonstrate how crap budget tyres are and that it’s good to know the limits of your car.

Dravokivich · 17-08-2019 10:01AM

It's what the thread started with. It's always been about people with poor driving. It just hid behind bad tires.

lawred2 · 17-08-2019 10:23AM

You'd swear back roads were free from the norms of human habitation..

Like children crossing roads, people exiting their driveways, animals etc

Your casual attitude to endangering others is a bit concerning nox

greasepalm · 17-08-2019 11:04AM

Was there not an add on tv about a motorbike on a back road and signage said dangerous bend ahead and never batted an eyelid.The next you saw was a grieving widow.The unknown is what is around the next bend that you cannot see and would better tyres save you if driving over the limits.

greasepalm · 17-08-2019 11:45AM

Just seen this elsewhere.Or how to read roadside sign wrong

GreeBo · 17-08-2019 03:39PM

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

I never said I push to the limits on roads where three is a chance of meeting someone.

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

cars that’s are meant to be driven hard (but safely). Do you not get enjoyment pushing on a car on a nice back road?

So which is it then?

Hopefully your tyres have more of a grip on the road than you have on your own argument...

Sam Quentin · 17-08-2019 03:51PM

Ahhhh here now,. it's starting to sound like some people think cheaper tyres have ball bearings on the outer thread so that when you brake you actually speed up.. this is so not true :rolleyes:. There is a tyre market out there for everyone,.yes we'd all love the best of the best,.but that's just not real life. All tyres will stop you and at slower speeds all tyres will stop you at very very similar tight distance... If you're not keeping your distance and driving too fast!?!?then that's when tyres can make a difference.

17-08-2019 04:00PM

GreeBo wrote: »

So which is it then?

Hopefully your tyres have more of a grip on the road than you have on your own argument...

It’s both. Pushing on and pushing to and past the limit are two different things.

bladespin · 18-08-2019 10:50AM

Cole Trickle or L. McQueen???? I've heard a lot of those responses before.

Heres Johnny · 18-08-2019 06:20PM

This thread just prompted me to have a look at what tyres my cars are wearing... Although I did know they were good I couldn't remember brand

My 5 series has Michelin pilotsport 4 all round ( 19 inch, 235 at the front 255 on the rear) and the A6 has Goodyear efficient grip 245s 18 inch all round.

Any experiences of the above tyres?
I've had no call to stop in a hurry in either car since I've had them anyway so haven't tested the tyres limits at all. No skids or loss of traction either

GreeBo · 18-08-2019 06:24PM

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

It’s both. Pushing on and pushing to and past the limit are two different things.

Ok Daytona Dan, I'm out now as your replies are nonsensical.
What are you pushing if not the limit? Cloth?

Chinese tyres. I am glad ......

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