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  • #62
    Tombo2001
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    The outrage over the ticket prices is a typically Irish thing.

    Sensationalism, rant and rave ..... then forget about it and move on the next rant and rave.

    The GAA is a fantastic organisation.

    You would swear from some people that it consisted of just one or two teams, a couple of officials, and a big stadium.

    Personally, I'd almost see the AI Finals as a side show to the real work that goes on in Clubs week in week out all through the year.

    If your only interaction with the GAA is the All ireland Final, then you are missing out.


  • #63
    Tombo2001
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    The point I am making is that when Kilkenny and Kerry were going for four and five in a row, attendances plummeted as neutrals lost interest.

    Compared to that, attendances at Dublin matches have held up remarkably well.

    Edit: Anyway, we are going off topic. I expect a full house on 1 September.

    I think thats a bit unfair.

    Kilkenny is a small county. The entire county would barely fill Croke Park.

    For sure, neutral interest wanes a bit when the same team wins for several years.

    However, there are more than enough people in Dublin to jump in when the neutrals dont want a ticket.

    Thats not the case in Kilkenny.

    Objectively - the Kilkenny five in a row match with Tipp was arguably the most intriguing final in the past 20 years given KK on the way down and Tipp on the way up, two evenly matched powerhouses. KK would have been favourites, but when Shefflin went off injured after ten minutes, suddenly they werent favourites any more.

    It was - taking the five in a row out of it - an absolute belter of a game and a fantastic occasion.

    It was also a full house and quite hard to get a ticket, compared with previous years.

    The Dubs five in a row game well be a fantastic occasion but I dont think anyone is expecting a belter of a game.


  • #64
    JeffKenna
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    Trent Houseboat wrote: »
    Semi in 2017 against Tyrone was a sell out I think, as waws the one against Kerry in 2016. Dublin and Mayo sold out Croke park twice in the 2015 semis. I'm pretty sure Dublin weren't involved in a semi-final in 2014 because I have absolutely no recollection of it ;)

    It appears as though the Galway semi last year was anomalous, and it's probably because Galway would have already had two road games in the S8s and hurlers bound for a final. It's a bit early to be claiming the Leinsterifaction of the All Ireland Series just yet.

    Fair enough, I guess attendances aren't actually falling then.


  • #65
    D9Male
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    Of course Dublin will have "massive support" when most games are within walking or cycling distance of the majority of fans and the population is over a million and the caliber of the team is so high.


  • #66
    Tomw86
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    D9Male wrote: »
    Of course Dublin will have "massive support" when most games are within walking or cycling distance of the majority of fans and the population is over a million and the caliber of the team is so high.

    The reason the games are in Dublin are because it is the Capital and has the best stadium, head of the GAA and best infrastructure links, not Dublin GAAs fault.

    The reason the population is so high is because Dublin is the main economic centre for Ireland. A good percentage of that population are not Dubs, or Dublin GAA supporters so your argument there is invalid and pointless.

    There is a vast majority of people from all over Ireland who live in Dublin to work and have a career. These people will happily go to Croke Park to see their county over a provinicial ground as it suits them better too. I would wager that a lot of Kerry fans who attended the Semi final and final live and work in Dublin.

    If you have a problem with Dublins population then I would advise you encourage people from outside Dublin to not go there for work and seek work in rural Ireland or their own counties major towns only.


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  • #67
    D9Male
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    I don't have a problem with Dublin's population. Not sure what made you think I did. I am a Dub, after all.

    But I do appreciate you giving me the cultural context.

    Not sure what argument I have made that is invalid and pointless. I just get irritated when people talk about "amazing" Dublin support compared to supporters of Kerry and Kilkenny when they were in their pomp.


  • #68
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    The outrage over the ticket prices is a typically Irish thing.

    Sensationalism, rant and rave ..... then forget about it and move on the next rant and rave.

    The GAA is a fantastic organisation.

    You would swear from some people that it consisted of just one or two teams, a couple of officials, and a big stadium.

    Personally, I'd almost see the AI Finals as a side show to the real work that goes on in Clubs week in week out all through the year.

    If your only interaction with the GAA is the All ireland Final, then you are missing out.


    The gaa is indeed great organization.


    The problem in my opinion the gaa have is they rant (to use your word) on about being amatuer and grassroots level volunteers running the clubs in weaker counties.
    At the same time they are saying this they pay their top executives similar salaries as top bankers and politicians.
    I am guessing the person who was defending this to the media yesterday by saying we are an amatuer organization is on a full time salary of 200k+ per year. This seems to be the reason more revenue needed.
    Great work if you can get it...


  • #69
    Prestonites
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    maestroamado wrote: »
    The gaa is indeed great organization.


    The problem in my opinion the gaa have is they rant (to use your word) on about being amatuer and grassroots level volunteers running the clubs in weaker counties.
    At the same time they are saying this they pay their top executives similar salaries as top bankers and politicians.
    I am guessing the person who was defending this to the media yesterday by saying we are an amatuer organization is on a full time salary of 200k+ per year. This seems to be the reason more revenue needed.
    Great work if you can get it...

    Have you any proof of the claims you constantly make?


  • #70
    maestroamado
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    Prestonites wrote: »
    Have you any proof of the claims you constantly make?


    It is not up to me to prove, i do know approximately 10% of the gaa turnover goes i wages as i read this in a report a few years ago.
    They need be more transparent and give the exact details of payments to the members and supporters. I am surprised this is already not the case as the gaa got big Government funding for Croke and Páirc Uí Chaoimh.


  • #71
    Tombo2001
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    maestroamado wrote: »
    It is not up to me to prove, i do know approximately 10% of the gaa turnover goes i wages as i read this in a report a few years ago.
    They need be more transparent and give the exact details of payments to the members and supporters. I am surprised this is already not the case as the gaa got big Government funding for Croke and Páirc Uí Chaoimh.

    Come off it.

    10% of total revenues goes in wages for all GAA employees, and you are saying they are only pushing up ticket prices to line their own coffers?

    Have a look at the Annual Report of the GAA - and then take a look at the Annual Report of the FAI. And then you will be thanking the GAA for how well efficiently they run the organisation and how much they put back into clubs.....

    That's completely unfair.

    And you are saying on the one hand - you don't know the individual salaries, and on the other hand, they are only putting up ticket prices to pay their so-called big salaries.....

    Top bankers are paid tens of millions...….this is off the wall stuff.


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  • #72
    kala85
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    10 per cent is a lot of money.

    I wonder what the salary of the Director General is?

    Look at the GPA for example - the wages that those lads are on is incredible. Paul Flynn on 140k. The GPA dont have much staff and their wage bill is still very high.

    All I can see is amatuer players playing extra games - super 8s , round robin hurling and clubs and county boards continuously crippled with running costs and county board levys, insurance and registration fees.

    Where is all the money going - (maybe to fill in a gap in pairc ui chaoimh) but I wouldnt be surprised the top lads getting very well looked after and a similar situation to the FAI arising.


  • #73
    LoughNeagh2017
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    I am an Irish nationalist and all but I wouldn't give the GAA a penny, it is one thing watching on television but to open your wallet for it is another thing. One of the things that annoys me is how they talk about being at the centre of the community but if someone who isn't a GAA person in the community dies they would be lucky to get an U-10 training session cancelled but if a GAA mans relative died you would have a banquet at the club hall, I take nothing to do with it apart from the television. All the leading GAA men in my area are wealthy men who act like pillars of the community.


  • #74
    Prestonites
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    LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »
    I am an Irish nationalist and all but I wouldn't give the GAA a penny, it is one thing watching on television but to open your wallet for it is another thing. One of the things that annoys me is how they talk about being at the centre of the community but if someone who isn't a GAA person in the community dies they would be lucky to get an U-10 training session cancelled but if a GAA mans relative died you would have a banquet at the club hall, I take nothing to do with it apart from the television. All the leading GAA men in my area are wealthy men who act like pillars of the community.

    What exactly has this got to do with Gaa final tickets?

    Keep your Irish nationalist for your sessions singing men behind the wire.


  • #75
    RoyalCelt
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    Paul Flynn on 140k a year is a crime against the association. He should be on 60k max.

    The GAA give an incredible amount back to grass routes but there's easily another few million if they cut the fat cats wages.

    Paul Flynn gets more money a year then some counties do for underage development funding. Let that sink in.


  • #76
    Prestonites
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    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    Paul Flynn on 140k a year is a crime against the association. He should be on 60k max.

    The GAA give an incredible amount back to grass routes but there's easily another few million if they cut the fat cats wages.

    Paul Flynn gets more money a year then some counties do for underage development funding. Let that sink in.

    I understand your frustration when your looking at this on a grand scale, And no county developments are way above that, S.P.Y, CLGnaHS, MMnOg payments. they dont disclose all payments but it is much higher then you think.


  • #77
    kala85
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    Outside of capital and building projects what exactly do they give back?


  • #78
    Prestonites
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    kala85 wrote: »
    Outside of capital and building projects what exactly do they give back?

    The foundation gives 1.3 million a year to high risk/Disadvantaged communities.


  • #79
    maestroamado
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    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    Come off it.

    10% of total revenues goes in wages for all GAA employees, and you are saying they are only pushing up ticket prices to line their own coffers?

    Have a look at the Annual Report of the GAA - and then take a look at the Annual Report of the FAI. And then you will be thanking the GAA for how well efficiently they run the organisation and how much they put back into clubs.....

    That's completely unfair.

    And you are saying on the one hand - you don't know the individual salaries, and on the other hand, they are only putting up ticket prices to pay their so-called big salaries.....



    Top bankers are paid tens of millions...….this is off the wall stuff.




    I think the comparison you make is a very good point.
    The FAI is in the process of being audited and fallow-on all sport organizations the same rules apply if they receive any form of state funding.
    Please supply the link as the last time i looked the gaa info was limited.
    The other thing is FAI with all their problems pay their players and are professional paid players.
    The gaa is as far as the gaa say is an amatuer volunteer organization.


    "off the wall stuff i agree"


  • #80
    kala85
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    Prestonites wrote: »
    The foundation gives 1.3 million a year to high risk/Disadvantaged communities.

    Where did you get this information??

    They also bought their own farm and bought clonliffe college to turn it into a hotel and apartments.


  • #81
    Rodin
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    Far too many tickets reserved for non-fans who probably only ever go to finals.
    Tickets should go to those who attend other matches.
    Should be a points system.


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  • #82
    dobman88
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    Rodin wrote: »
    Far too many tickets reserved for non-fans who probably only ever go to finals.
    Tickets should go to those who attend other matches.
    Should be a points system.

    Didnt you just literally describe how the season ticket works or am I missing something??


  • #83
    Prestonites
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    kala85 wrote: »
    Where did you get this information??

    They also bought their own farm and bought clonliffe college to turn it into a hotel and apartments.

    Where did I get the information. They are my employer I'm well aware of what they do. You clearly haven't a notion


  • #84
    Rodin
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    dobman88 wrote: »
    Didnt you just literally describe how the season ticket works or am I missing something??

    Season ticket is no good for neutrals. Only applies to one county. Many neutrals will have been at more matches than fans who only go to see their county


  • #85
    kala85
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    Prestonites wrote: »
    Where did I get the information. They are my employer I'm well aware of what they do. You clearly haven't a notion

    Can you can back it up with a factual link or document.
    I wasn't aware they give a million euro on an annual basis to disadvantage areas.


  • #86
    kala85
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    Rodin wrote: »
    Season ticket is no good for neutrals. Only applies to one county. Many neutrals will have been at more matches than fans who only go to see their county

    Would love to have some sort of system for neutrals like that


  • #87
    Rodin
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    kala85 wrote: »
    Would love to have some sort of system for neutrals like that

    Me too. Semi finals only attracted approx 55k and 60k.
    Many people there on Sunday will be hangers on or politicians or other glory chasers who don't go to matches nornally.


  • #88
    blanch152
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    Rodin wrote: »
    Far too many tickets reserved for non-fans who probably only ever go to finals.
    Tickets should go to those who attend other matches.
    Should be a points system.


    I don't know. In my club, there is a system where everybody can apply for a ticket, but preference is given to those who have given time for the club e.g. voluntary underage mentors. Many of them would have liked to get to matches, but couldn't because they were on the side of a pitch helping kids. I have no issue with them getting the tickets from the club.

    The season ticket system is there for the loyal fans of the participating teams. I have no issue with that either.

    But why should a Mayo season ticket holder get a ticket for Dublin v Kerry?


  • #89
    Rodin
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    I don't know. In my club, there is a system where everybody can apply for a ticket, but preference is given to those who have given time for the club e.g. voluntary underage mentors. Many of them would have liked to get to matches, but couldn't because they were on the side of a pitch helping kids. I have no issue with them getting the tickets from the club.

    The season ticket system is there for the loyal fans of the participating teams. I have no issue with that either.

    But why should a Mayo season ticket holder get a ticket for Dublin v Kerry?

    If there are Dublin or Kerry fans with more matches attended then they probably shouldnt.
    It's the finals-only people I have an issue with... it isn't them who are constantly funding the GAA


  • #90
    Tombo2001
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    maestroamado wrote: »
    I think the comparison you make is a very good point.
    The FAI is in the process of being audited and fallow-on all sport organizations the same rules apply if they receive any form of state funding.
    Please supply the link as the last time i looked the gaa info was limited.
    The other thing is FAI with all their problems pay their players and are professional paid players.
    The gaa is as far as the gaa say is an amatuer volunteer organization.


    "off the wall stuff i agree"


    It certainly provoked an interesting conversation from my point of view.

    I had a look at annual accounts for the three bodies - GAA, FAI, IRFU.

    It made for a really interesting comparison.

    The GAA (in 2016) took in €100mn, of which €10mn went on Admin (salaries). Now personally I think that's not bad as there would be a couple of hundred staff in the GAA I would imagine, and this includes not just wages but also pension and prsi.

    After that, other costs relating to running the stadiums, insurance etc left €40mn to be redistributed to clubs. Or 40%.

    The FAI in contrast took in €50mn; and they also had a €10m admin base. Now personally, I would guess the FAI has far less employees than the GAA - nonetheless total salaries were the same. After all other costs, the FAI had just €5mn to redistribute to clubs.

    The IRFU had revenues (I think I looked at 2017) of €75; of which €7.5mn went on Admin - so a 10% level, similar to GAA. But the big difference here is that the IRFU spent €40mn on the professional game in Ireland - so paying salaries for the Pros at the provinces and national squads.

    After that there was very little left for clubs. Not saying it is badly run, but clearly a different model to the GAA. And for sure, it does offer something that the GAA doesn't run which is professional sport in Ireland.

    I don't have links to hand, but a quick google search will get you annual reports for each body.


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  • #91
    Tombo2001
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    I don't know. In my club, there is a system where everybody can apply for a ticket, but preference is given to those who have given time for the club e.g. voluntary underage mentors. Many of them would have liked to get to matches, but couldn't because they were on the side of a pitch helping kids. I have no issue with them getting the tickets from the club.

    The season ticket system is there for the loyal fans of the participating teams. I have no issue with that either.

    But why should a Mayo season ticket holder get a ticket for Dublin v Kerry?

    I have no big problem with the system.

    You have die hard GAA people all over the country.

    Why shouldn't the club official in Leitrim or Longford who puts massive voluntary hours in each year get one day out at their own expense in Croke Park.

    Similarly a lot of clubs raffle the tickets and its a big fund raiser.

    Ultimately - lets be real world about it, its only a game. Its not THAT big of a deal if you can or cant get a ticket. There's a lot more to life.


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