The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Kerry were beaten in 1982 by Offaly and '83 by Cork. Genuine competitiveness was restored and crowds started to rise again.

Competitiveness equals bigger crowds. Its a well known fundamental of any sport.

Any comments on the claims I refuted earlier or are you hoping they've gone away?

Gachla wrote: »

No, you didn't. What is factually incorrect about the graph?

What changed in Dublin GAA is that they got a huge number of professional coaches and appointed highly paid officers to oversee the new structures they wanted to put into place. GDO's who have been there from the start have noted the incredible change in standards from when they started to today. They say it's like night and day. Obviously, this will have a major impact on the standard of players available. This is at club level and inter county level. The results of this are there for all to see. 80+ titles in 14 years.

You can massage stats and charts which ever way you want.
I have already explained gachla be inspired make a new chart - look beyond your narrow prism - there are other variables intangibles.
Be inspired open your eyes and ears to them - soak it all up - you should be glad to be witnessing history.

You need to study the following

Leadership:

https://www.iidmglobal.com/expert_talk/expert-talk-categories/managing-people/leadership_talent/id22634.html

Inspiration:

https://hbr.org/2011/11/why-inspiration-matters

Dublin GAA's focus on youth:

https://www.eventbrite.ie/o/dublin-gaa-coaching-amp-games-development-7236498365

Read how Dublin made a mess of things prior to this era:

https://www.rte.ie/culture/2018/1022/1005923-reviewed-dublin-the-chaos-years-by-neil-cotter/


It is not solely down to funding and professional coaches - it is a much greater thing then that.

A time when all structures and plan work in unison real focus on youth with a strategy

http://www.stsylvesters.ie/files/the-blue-wave.pdf

As I said in previous posts this was not always the case - it was neglected.

All your answers are there if you are willing to read it and take your eyes off your colored chart repeating your same mantra.

BonnieSituation wrote: »

It sounds awfully like something a certain Brazil-based journalist would say.

What was it he called Jim Gavin?

He could not spell that word either then blamed himself for not editing it.

Then he completely changed his tweet - because even he knew it was in poor taste and went on the defensive....

Miles behind Micko is right

The sense I get from J Gavin is he knows well what side his bread is buttered on (ie he knows how well he has it in Dublin compared to everyone else)

it wouldn’t do at all to tarnish his reputation by chancing managing literally any other county where he wouldn’t have the same advantages that he has now.

What he doesn’t realise tho is that outside Dublin his reputation isn’t worth talking about because there’s a huge asterisk beside the Dublin wins since the financial doping started.

ClanofLams wrote: »

It is not solely down to funding, you of course need to have good people overseeing things too in management admin etc

But funding is a substantial factor in why Dublin footballers both men and women’s are enjoying their best decade in history. And why their hurlers are enjoying their best decade in sixty plus years.

The massive disparity in funding cannot be justified.

But yet they are only really holding thier own to Rugby in the capital - there was a fear that Dublin would become a Soccer and Rugby city.
That was the justification for the funding to promote the games in the largest county in Ireland in the face of competition from other sports.

All this nonsense about Dublin doing 10 in a row and they will break a record by doing half of that! As others have rightly pointed out, Kerry won the last 5 minors which must tell at some stage.

Dublin has had a population advantage since the foundation of the GAA (granted not as big as today) so I don’t think that this is the key to their current success although it certainly helps. If it was all down to population then the hurling team would have achieved more that a single semi final since 1961! Granted they have improved significantly in recent years but their record is extremely poor.

Arguably the reason for their dominance in Gaelic is because the game itself. If you look at the current game, a good team could be made up a goalie, 11 athletes and 3 forwards who can kick a score. There is no real need for anyone in the back or middle third to be able to kick the ball nowadays. This makes it easier for Dublin as it’s very easy to find a natural athlete as opposed to a natural footballer. That is by no means a dig at Dublin or any other team as there is some incredible players out there but the game is dying because the game itself is being degraded.
A case in point is MDMA. He is potentially player of the year for the second time and I reckon I could count on one hand the number of points he has kicked in championship games. That’s not saying he isn’t player of the year but you have to question how you can have a game where the footballer of the year struggles to kick the ball accurately!

Unfortunately the focus of the modern game has moved towards fitness and gym work over actual football. This is natural as part of the modernisation of the game (the same thing is happening in hurling) but there should be rules to counteract it. Whether that’s a limit on hand passes or incentives to kick the ball, something must be done to bring skill back into the game. Will the stop Dublin in the short term? Probably not as the current group of players are brilliant footballers but it will create a more level playing field.

The other thing to note is that several teams have shown ways to beat Dublin this year. Meath, Cork and Mayo have all been competitive for periods of their games and done a lot of things that show Dublin’s weaknesses. The high ball into the full forward is certainly an area where they struggle and yet very few teams have kicked ball in. Kerry will almost certainly try it!

Another thing that really frustrates me Dublin currently is their comfort in their routine particularly in Croke Park. Watching the parade vs Mayo and the Dublin players were laughing and joking etc.
Jim Gavin is a complete perfectionist and has everything down to a tee. The only manager you could argue is comparable to him is Joe Schmidt. And there in lies a weakness. When Ireland were beaten by Scotland a few years ago, a big part of the aftermath focused on the Scottish police escort bringing the team bus a longer way meaning Ireland were late to the stadium. Why has no team even tried to disrupt Dublin’s rhythm? Whether that’s not coming out of the dressing room at the right time, warming up in front of the hill (Dublin don’t have a Devine right to warm up there) etc etc. I know it sounds very cynical but if Dublin are so far ahead you have to do something to level the playing field.

Finally, referees need to get harsher on Dublin! The amount of cyclical fouling and simulation they get away with compared to other teams is unbelievable. While Cillian O’Connor was stupid to do what he did, there way no need for the Dublin player to go down the way he did. MDMA was also extremely lucky on a number of occasions and in particular when the ref he committed the next foul after ref warned him for persistent fouling.
If you compare their treatment to that of Kilkenny towards the end of their dominance it’s polar opposites. Despite their dominance, they rarely get black cards or pulled up for stopping quick frees etc. Remember that the goal that stopped the Kerry 5 in a row was a blatant free out yet wasn’t given. I wonder if the same thing happened if Kerry were about to score against Dublin?

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Did he say he didn’t take mileage?

What would he be eligible to take mileage for??? He doesn’t incur expense on the bus. Whatever you are trying to insuinate is proven untrue by the fact that those lads were more than content to give up mileage.

ClanofLams wrote: »

I have no idea. I would presume it’s just rented out for each session, why?

At that rate, why would they not just train in Dublin? Isn’t that what Abbotstown is for?
While its not ideal to split team trainings for a team like Mayo between two camps (I.e. Dublin and Mayo), surely for mid week sessions it would make sense for the coaches to travel instead of getting 20 lads to drive 4 hours each way.

ClanofLams wrote: »

Fairly sure I saw somewhere Mayo lads were taking a bus down this year so there wouldn’t be any mileage.

In previous years they took turns driving, they are hugely ambitious guys, I would think they would prefer to be to leave for training at 6pm and be home resting up at 9.30pm than knocking a few euro out of mileage.

They’re huge ambition is matched by the huge amounts spent on the team. They only spend marginally less than the Dubs do who are a genuine dual-county (granted figures are from 2017 season).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/revealed-here-is-how-much-your-county-spent-on-its-teams-in-2017-with-dublin-only-the-second-biggest-spenders-36576369.html

€1.542m

€30,000 per week is spent on preparing Mayo teams for inter-county glory... by far the most for counties that don’t also play hurling at the top table.

Last Stop wrote: »

Arguably the reason for their dominance in Gaelic is because the game itself. If you look at the current game, a good team could be made up a goalie, 11 athletes and 3 forwards who can kick a score. There is no real need for anyone in the back or middle third to be able to kick the ball nowadays. This makes it easier for Dublin as it’s very easy to find a natural athlete as opposed to a natural footballer. That is by no means a dig at Dublin...
Unfortunately the focus of the modern game has moved towards fitness and gym work over actual football. This is natural as part of the modernisation of the game (the same thing is happening in hurling) but there should be rules to counteract it. Whether that’s a limit on hand passes or incentives to kick the ball, something must be done to bring skill back into the game. Will the stop Dublin in the short term? Probably not as the current group of players are brilliant footballers but it will create a more level playing field.

Not dismissing your other points but just noting really this needs to be done regardless of how many all irelands any one team is winning because it would be for the long term popularity of the game.