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Furthest You've Traced Your Family History

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,244 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    A couple of years ago I took a look, but to start I had to order copies of my (long-deceased) parents' birth certificates, since I knew absolutely nothing about my grandparents. Not even names, since the last one died when I was about 2 - I was a late child - and we never talked about them. Once I had that, I did some digging on Scotland's People (since I'm Scottish), which is very good, but the handwriting on some of those old records is horrendous. I did as much as I could there before jumping on to ancestry.com.

    However, I ran in to a dead end on my mother's side, since I learned her 19th century ancestors were mostly Ulster Scots, and with Irish records in the state already discussed, the best I could manage were some possible links to tradesmen in County Fermanagh. I know there is more I could do there, maybe I will some time. I could have bits of other counties in there somewhere.

    On my father's side, the records were much better, and I had no trouble hooking in to other records on ancestry.com. However, I know the records there are not perfect, they're basically "crowd-sourced", built up from what other users enter. I basically hoovered up as much as I could get from the site on a 1 week free trial, and dumped it all to a GED file.

    Some highlights from my father's side:
    • in the last couple of centuries, most of my ancestors I found were from north-east Scotland, particularly the Arbroath area. The rest mostly from Glasgow.
    • Once you start hitting the 1600s, the records are more spotty, which is OK because there's no way I could build my whole family tree. At ten generations, we're talking roughly two thousand people overall, and two million at twenty generations;
    • coincidentally: at about twenty generations back, I found a shared ancestor with Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, through her Scottish mother's side. Maybe a million people could claim the same, so it's not exactly remarkable, but it's interesting;
    • I found a bunch of hits in Clan Grant, particularly landowners and cattle traders in the Urquhart Castle area on the west side of Loch Ness. Some of them are quite well documented, including several generations of what I could only call nutters. Singers and musicians, large families, some quite wild behaviour is documented. Some fought at Killicrankie and Culloden, the latter marking the start of the Highland Clearances and the end of that way of life. One of them was about 70 at the time, too old to fight, but after the battle he was arrested anyway, and transported to prison in London where he died. Others were transported to the West Indies as slaves.
    • On the other hand, other links to the West Indies raised the possibility that I have some slave traders in my family tree: a lot of them were from Scotland, particularly the ones on Jamaica.
    • Because Clan Grant is quite well documented on other sites, I could trace them back further, and found reports that one of my ancestors was the brother of Robert the Bruce, whose lineage can be traced back to the first King of Scotland, Kenneth MacAlpin.
    • I'm sceptical about that, and even if it's true, it's even less remarkable than my royal connection mentioned above. Kings tended to have lots of children, and were also among the few people from medieval times for whom records were kept at all. Literally millions of people, maybe half of Scotland, could say the same. That kind of maths didn't stop Danny Dyer from making a series about his connection to King Edward III of England, though. :rolleyes:

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭threetrees


    I got back to mid 1800s, lots of different and unusual occupations, remarriages, possible arranged marriages, many infant deaths, many of my ancestors had a tough life. I guess that was fairly typical of the time though.

    I am no expert but would be an organised and methodical person. All my information I got for free from the comfort of my armchair. All my research is available online. I am making a list of "next steps" which will require a bit more effort.


  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    An uncle did a lot of work on my fathers family but only got back as far as the 1840s there is a story that comes down the family of how they were evicted in the 1850s and according to my uncle, he knows the exact date and time of day the eviction happened.

    Over the years lot emigrated to the US a few years ago a distant cousin invited them all over and we all got together and we wrote up a massive family tree it was interesting half the people in Newyork, Boston, Chicago must have irish ancestry.


  • Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is a bit longer than I had expected!

    Tom Bartlett's beautifully written and supremely informative Fall and Rise of the Irish Nation about eighteenth-century Ireland mentions that Charles O'Conor from Ballanagare in Roscommon could legitimately trace his family line back to Ruairí Ó Conchúir, the last High King of Ireland in the 12th century. That sort of traceable lineage is incredibly rare.

    That O'Conor family of Ballanagare succeeded to the O'Conor lands in Clonalis House near Castlerea of the O'Conor Don branch in 1820 so, according to this website, 'are the only Royal Gaelic family left in Ireland, who are still living on part of their lands.'

    The Hiberno-Norman Plunkett family of Dunsany in Meath, however, still live on the same lands they lived upon in the middle ages, and the chapel next to the castle (which has a stone from the 16th century commemorating its construction) is a precise replica of the medieval church across the road on the lands of their cousins, the Plunketts of Killeen Castle. The Killeen branch, which was the older and most senior branch of the Plunketts and remained Catholic, died out in the early 1980s and the widespread story is that the Plunketts of Dunsany, who 'conformed' (as opposed to 'converted') to the Anglican church, kept the Killeen Plunkett lands until after the relevant Penal Laws were repealed in the late 18th century, when they handed the land back. Not sure how true that is but it is widely believed.

    Other than these Anglican and 'Castle Catholic' families, and perhaps a handful more (the Fitzgerald Knights of Glin in Limerick became dormant only in 2011, after 700 years, but cadet branches still survive), most Irish people, and especially Irish Catholics, cannot trace their families beyond the end of Dáibhí Ó Bruadair's 'longbhriseadh' ('shipwreck') of the Irish (c. 1649-c. 1800). Yes, they could trace generations back, but for the average dispossessed peasant that most of us come from I'd be looking closely at the sources for anything in the 18th century or indeed the early 19th century. They can make educated guesses about lacuna in their lineage, but solid documentary evidence for each generation is another matter. It's easier from the post-Famine period as the rise of the new ultramontane Roman Catholic Church, which was in control of literacy/large sections of the national school system, complemented by an emerging tenant class with rights and ultimately landowning class led to far more secular and ecclesiastical records. The more wealth you have, the more you need records to protect it. And more schooling means more people writing things down.

    My father was born in an old British internment camp, of all things, and when the land commission were dividing up local landed estates in the 1930s his father wanted land on a particular estate. However, he got land on another estate on the grounds that somebody with his precise same first and last name was evicted from that land by Cromwell. An old uncle who was telling me this story years ago was sceptical about it, and this uncle was an absolutely amazing repository of folklore and placenames for every corner of his land and beyond. Nevertheless, I subsequently found out, in the Books of Survey and Distribution from the 1650s which recorded every single Irish Catholic landowner in 1641 and what they owned (so that the Cromwellians would know what they were taking as a reward for their financiers and soldiers), that sure enough somebody with the exact same name was the recorded owner of that land in 1641 that my grandfather got in the 1930s. My family have lived in that exact area for as long as anybody can remember. A Jesuit cousin could only trace the same paternal family back with absolute certainty to the 1840s, though. I think my maternal family were too poor/ordinary to trace beyond the standard online 1901/1911 censuses. Or, as my mother put it after attempting to answer my genealogical questions, 'We never thought about those questions'. The poor don't have as much that they want to remember, never mind record on paper. And despite the notions of some Irish today, most of us come from poor people who hadn't the luxury of being recorded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I went back towards around the famine. I am related to Richard Nixon


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,372 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    I went back towards around the famine. I am related to Richard Nixon

    Sorry to read that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,991 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    An uncle of mine, on my mother’s side, did some research into the old “family tree” and discovered a relation to William Petty-Fitzmaurice, one of only two Irish prime ministers of the UK.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    I got a good bit of info off this site, you have to join but it's free,

    https://www.familysearch.org

    then; Search Historical Records

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,372 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    An uncle of mine, on my mother’s side, did some research into the old “family tree” and discovered a relation to William Petty-Fitzmaurice, one of only two Irish prime ministers of the UK.

    Who was the other?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Jonathan1990


    I got a good bit of info off this site, you have to join but it's free,

    https://www.familysearch.org

    then; Search Historical Records

    Thanks for sharing this site I joined it and have found records showing who my great, great, great, great, great granddad was with some going back into 1780s.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭Shemale


    Just reading through this and noticed a few mentions of DNA.

    If you are thinking about giving your DNA to firms you should make sure you have read their Terms and Conditions, some of them sell on your DNA which could impact your ability to get health insurance for certain illnesses / the price of your health insurance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Jonathan1990


    Wonder how they get all these records.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 401 ✭✭Eleysian


    You may have already done this but the Irish Society of Friends (Quakers) have fantastic genealogy records including the Grubbs. You could find out a lot bout them and their records were not kept in the PRO and so were not destroyed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 401 ✭✭Eleysian


    The furthest back we go is to Raymond Le Gros Fitzgerald, a Norman commander in the invasion of Ireland. He is the father of all the Grubbs, among others, he has thousands of descendants. We just happen to know by sheer fluke.

    It's on my Mums side and - don't judge me, because I do - I feel like the maternal lines tend to be less interesting? Probably because people tend not to feel a personal connection to the name.

    Interesting stuff, family history. The skeletons can be fascinating.

    You may have already done this but the Irish Society of Friends (Quakers) have fantastic genealogy records including the Grubbs. You could find out a lot bout them and their records were not kept in the PRO and so were not destroyed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,991 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    branie2 wrote: »
    Who was the other?

    Sorry, B, only seeing this now. Arthur Wellesley, the Duke of Wellington.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭vektarman


    The furthest that I've traced my family is Sweden in the 1600's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭Airyfairy12


    My maternal grandmother's great grandmother came from a little village in Scotland, her fathers side lived in England pre 1700 having originated in Normandy France. Its so weird to think that they were real people. I wonder in 500 years will some distant future relative be looking me up to see what im like.


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