Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

jr86 · 12-08-2019 06:03PM

I think there's a good while in this Mayo side yet

Several things we have in spades are character, physicality and supreme fitness levels. These attributes alone go a long way in the modern game in a non-vintage era for the sport. Kerry are coming again and there's obviously Dublin but very little beyond that. Tyrone are seriously lacking a real marquee forward, Donegal have flattered to deceive for 2 years now, while Cork are still quite a bit off and will be playing Division 3 football in February. Galway are very hit and miss, and Roscommon have had a great season but clearly have a ceiling

Carr, and particularly Ruane look like great finds this year. I think Stephen Coen has improved quite a bit as well. I'd doubt Darren Coen will ever become a regular starter, but he wouldn't be bad to bring off the bench to get a score or two in a tight game

I'm not overly convinced by Horan in many aspects, but one thing he certainly does is get younger guys well up to the speed of inter county. Maybe guys like Akram, Colm Moran, Kuba Callaghan and so on might put their hands up in 2020

Watched back Saturday again. I really cannot understand how we didn't have more cuteness to stop the momentum in the early second half. Lie down a while, take a yellow card or two, just do anything FFS. Lacking that shrewdness has unfortunately cost us in the past and we have never seemed to learn from it. Bit disappointing we weren't a bit braver going forward in the first half either. We actually had them a bit rattled at the time, but 2 points up at HT was never going to be enough in a million years. I remember after conceding the early goal in 2017 it forced us to really take the game to them and it worked dividends that day (a game we unlucky enough not to win, mainly down to said shrewdness)

Anyhow roll on 2020. I don't see why we should fear anyone outside of Dublin, and sure we have a year to plan for them now

seligehgit · 12-08-2019 06:33PM

muddle84 wrote: »

New mayo news podcast out this morning. Its worth a listen, some good audio in it from the usuals. Horan mentioning new faces for next year so looking forward to what the club championship will throw up!

Great stuff!

Dublin Review.

https://themayonews.podomatic.com/enclosure/2019-08-11T11_15_34-07_00.mp3

Padkir · 12-08-2019 06:44PM

Zeek12 wrote: »

Very true.

The talk of Mayo being finished, too old, too many miles etc. is totally exaggerated. Take our forward line for example.
Assuming Andy decides to call it a day, we'd probably have the two O'Connors, McDonagh, Darren Coen, Doherty, James Carr next year.
By my count that's an average age of less than 26 by start of next season. You could interchange a few others in there like McLoughlin, Loftus or Fergal Boland but it doesn't change the age profile much.

Similar at the back. If Clarke and Higgins bow out, you'll have young guys like O'Donoghue and Stephen Coen who are ready to come into that defence.
And the keeper situation needs to be looked at anyway, regardless of what David decides to do. Both keepers on the panel have weaknesses which have been magnified and exploited in games against the top teams.

I must say that I think Stephen Coen really stepped up this year - I think he's been very good, especially the last few weeks.

There was a good while where I wasn't sure how he was still getting game time, but credit to him, he's starting to come good. I guess there's a reason he's captained nearly every team he's ever played on, usually winning trophies. Will be a good man to have around over the coming years - nothing flash but a good honest player.

seligehgit · 12-08-2019 06:53PM

Padkir wrote: »

I must say that I think Stephen Coen really stepped up this year - I think he's been very good, especially the last few weeks.

There was a good while where I wasn't sure how he was still getting game time, but credit to him, he's starting to come good. I guess there's a reason he's captained nearly every team he's ever played on, usually winning trophies. Will be a good man to have around over the coming years - nothing flash but a good honest player.

Got to concur with the general consensus,he's been very good in the more critical recent weeks.

km79 · 12-08-2019 07:02PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Got to concur with the general consensus,he's been very good in the more critical recent weeks.

He will be a leader in years to come imo
Not many others from his vintage have broken through
He wasn’t captain of 2 all Ireland teams for nothing

muddle84 · 12-08-2019 07:22PM

km79 wrote: »

He will be a leader in years to come imo
Not many others from his vintage have broken through
He wasn’t captain of 2 all Ireland teams for nothing

He captained a Sigerson winning team too as well as the minor and u21.

In fairness, we have got himself, Eoin O'D, Ruane,DOC, Conor L, Boland and James Carr now consistently making the match 26 if not starting. Aswell as Hall and Plunkett on the fringes. Not bad return from one u21 team

Blackjack · 12-08-2019 07:31PM

muddle84 wrote: »

He captained a Sigerson winning team too as well as the minor and u21.

In fairness, we have got himself, Eoin O'D, Ruane,DOC, Conor L, Boland and James Carr now consistently making the match 26 if not starting. Aswell as Hall and Plunkett on the fringes. Not bad return from one u21 team

Cain Hanley was on that minor team that Coen Captained.
There are a few from that 2016 under 21 team that fell by the wayside. Fionan Duffy, Liam Irwin don’t feature much. David Kenny is playing only hurling I think. I always expected Eddie Doran from Achill and Matty Flanagan to likely feature, I think they’re playing juniors.

We’ve probably had more than we could realistically expect from that team already at this stage.

Blackjack · 12-08-2019 07:34PM

Blackjack wrote: »

Cain Hanley was on that minor team that Coen Captained.
There are a few from that 2016 under 21 team that fell by the wayside. Fionan Duffy, Liam Irwin don’t feature much. David Kenny is playing only hurling I think. I always expected Eddie Doran from Achill and Matty Flanagan to likely feature, I think they’re playing juniors.

We’ve probably had more than we could realistically expect from that team already at this stage.

Worth mentioning Akram too, he’s been knocking about too. I always rated him very highly at minor and under 21, I really do hope he can build on the promise he showed at those levels.

Zeek12 · 12-08-2019 09:01PM

Padkir wrote: »

I must say that I think Stephen Coen really stepped up this year - I think he's been very good, especially the last few weeks.

Completely agree.

What's also very pleasing is his versatility. He was moving from half back to midfield, to (most recently) the full back line over past few months.
With Higgins and Barrett approaching the end of their careers it was very pleasing to see him come in a do a very solid job there.

I'm still optimistic that with the likes of Stephen Coen, O'Donoghue, Ruane, McDonagh and Carr we're not looking too bad in the areas where retirements are most likely.
Obviously the guys who'll go will be a big loss and Andy is one of those players that's incredibly hard to replace. But these are young lads and with another 2-3 years experience and development the potential for some of them to become very good intercounty players is there.

PressRun · 12-08-2019 09:33PM

Blackjack wrote: »

Worth mentioning Akram too, he’s been knocking about too. I always rated him very highly at minor and under 21, I really do hope he can build on the promise he showed at those levels.

Was involved in the development squad, not sure if he was still part of it this year. Likewise, I always thought he had potential.

Martina1991 · 12-08-2019 10:07PM

Blackjack wrote: »

Cain Hanley was on that minor team that Coen Captained.
There are a few from that 2016 under 21 team that fell by the wayside. Fionan Duffy, Liam Irwin don’t feature much. David Kenny is playing only hurling I think. I always expected Eddie Doran from Achill and Matty Flanagan to likely feature, I think they’re playing juniors.

We’ve probably had more than we could realistically expect from that team already at this stage.

Michael Hall is another one. He was on the 2013 minor and 2016 u21.

I thought it was mentioned here a good while ago that Akram was in the States for the summer?

Delighted Stephen Coen is growing into the senior team. An impressive athlete. I thought he got nosebleeds when he went passed midfield but he got a nice score Saturday too.

Blackjack · 12-08-2019 10:43PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Michael Hall is another one. He was on the 2013 minor and 2016 u21.

I thought it was mentioned here a good while ago that Akram was in the States for the summer?

Delighted Stephen Coen is growing into the senior team. An impressive athlete. I thought he got nosebleeds when he went passed midfield but he got a nice score Saturday too.

Hall was indeed, I think he was one of the first bunch to get a senior call up, played in the league a few times in 2016 I think.
Michael Forde from Ballycastle another lad that I expected would see more of, not sure what happened - could be just stuck in Juniors has kept him out.

Sharoize Akram spent the summer in the US alright, might be the thing that gives him the spur, regular game there won’t harm him.

Blackjack · 12-08-2019 10:44PM

PressRun wrote: »

Was involved in the development squad, not sure if he was still part of it this year. Likewise, I always thought he had potential.

I think he was in the dev panel for a while, might have decided a summer in the states was a better option.

Noccy_Mondy · 12-08-2019 11:43PM

Has anyone got a breakdown of every Mayo match played this year, from FBD through to Saturday last. Was at all bar 2 or 3 but forget how many exactly there was!

lostcat · 13-08-2019 12:07AM

Players may come in and players may call it a day. However, the most concerning thing from a Mayo point of view on Saturday was, with all that experience on the pitch (and on the line), they didn't seem to be able to enact a plan to get through Dublins purple patch, or a plan to kill the game for a couple of minutes once Dublin got the first goal. There must have been some kind of a plan in place, so, either

(i) it wasn't a great plan (couldn't be implemented either through bad design or the players not understanding it properly), or
(ii) Dublin were just too good

Instead they missed a handy-ish free, dropped a couple of balls short, skied a few more, and then decided to try to run in goals. Everything I thought we had seen the back of 8 or 9 years ago....its worrying stuff when a battle hardened team loses the plot to that extent.

On the other hand, Dublin reminded me of nothing more than an NFL Team, the drill like precision of the premeditated plays, O'Callaghans wide-receiver like footwork to bamboozle Keegan...i'm reminded of the 'toughest trade' TV show a few years ago when Aiden O'Shea went to an NFL trial type thing in Cali and was some distance off the standard, and that retired NFL guy came to Breaffy and blew them away with his general athletic ability...

the phrase 'welcome to the NFL' was going through my mind after Saturday, nobody is going to touch Dublin until they decide they have had enough...

Fann Linn · 13-08-2019 07:23AM

lostcat wrote: »

Players may come in and players may call it a day. However, the most concerning thing from a Mayo point of view on Saturday was, with all that experience on the pitch (and on the line), they didn't seem to be able to enact a plan to get through Dublins purple patch, or a plan to kill the game for a couple of minutes once Dublin got the first goal. There must have been some kind of a plan in place, so, either

(i) it wasn't a great plan (couldn't be implemented either through bad design or the players not understanding it properly), or
(ii) Dublin were just too good

Instead they missed a handy-ish free, dropped a couple of balls short, skied a few more, and then decided to try to run in goals. Everything I thought we had seen the back of 8 or 9 years ago....its worrying stuff when a battle hardened team loses the plot to that extent.

On the other hand, Dublin reminded me of nothing more than an NFL Team, the drill like precision of the premeditated plays, O'Callaghans wide-receiver like footwork to bamboozle Keegan...i'm reminded of the 'toughest trade' TV show a few years ago when Aiden O'Shea went to an NFL trial type thing in Cali and was some distance off the standard, and that retired NFL guy came to Breaffy and blew them away with his general athletic ability...

the phrase 'welcome to the NFL' was going through my mind after Saturday, nobody is going to touch Dublin until they decide they have had enough...

Nothing NFL at all about it. A ball was dropped into the Dublin box which should have gone over the bar or into the back of the net but instead Cluxton managed to get it away and which Dublin capitalised upon. This was immediately followed on by Hennelly having one of his customary mis kicks which O Callaghan caught and laid off to Mannion who duly slotted it over the bar from just outside the 20, which was then immediately followed up by Hennelly, for some reason deciding to kick a ball out to a Mayo player who was being marked by 3 Dubs if I recall correctly and goal number 2 followed from that.

Hindsight is great but perhaps if Hennelly did stop for 30 to 40 secs after any of the above perhaps it may have been different.

RobbieRuns · 13-08-2019 09:47AM

Hindsight eh?

Seadin · 13-08-2019 10:14AM

I honestly think Mayo missed their chances over the years of winning the All Ireland. 2013 2016 and 2017. Few decisions in the pitch in those games are the reason Dublin are going for 5 in a row. Mayo should have got over the line in one or 2 of those finals. I think the team isnt as good now so might take a while before they reach the highs of those years again. Really hope Mayo get over the line and win All Ireland in the coming years you have great supporters but not at the expense of Cork if we ever get there

boosabum · 13-08-2019 10:20AM

2013 - should have gone in at half time 8 - 10 point up, instead let in a soft goal to let Dublin back in. That 2013 side had not the ability to blitz like the current team IMHO

2016 - two own goals plus the touch on the ground missed at the death due to injured player which would have resulted in a handy free to go one up

2017 - missed free on 70 minutes to go one up, kicked the ball out over the sideline after rocks free when having a man extra, "Dublin" Joe was happy to plan on to give another chance to Mayo

Saw something today saying the IRA will have an All Ireland before Mayo, unfortunately it's probably true:(

blanch152 · 13-08-2019 11:34AM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Nothing NFL at all about it. A ball was dropped into the Dublin box which should have gone over the bar or into the back of the net but instead Cluxton managed to get it away and which Dublin capitalised upon. This was immediately followed on by Hennelly having one of his customary mis kicks which O Callaghan caught and laid off to Mannion who duly slotted it over the bar from just outside the 20, which was then immediately followed up by Hennelly, for some reason deciding to kick a ball out to a Mayo player who was being marked by 3 Dubs if I recall correctly and goal number 2 followed from that.

Hindsight is great but perhaps if Hennelly did stop for 30 to 40 secs after any of the above perhaps it may have been different.

You have to add in the simple free missed by Cillian O'Connor at 1-11 to 0-8. Soon after the kick-out, he committed a stupid foul that got him his first yellow card on his way to a red. Kilkenny kicked the free to O'Callaghan who turned Keegan inside out for the goal. A four-point turnaround and a needless yellow card all down to one player not being mentally able to deal with the pressure on the day.

Cartman78 · 13-08-2019 12:12PM

blanch152 wrote: »

You have to add in the simple free missed by Cillian O'Connor at 1-11 to 0-8. Soon after the kick-out, he committed a stupid foul that got him his first yellow card on his way to a red. Kilkenny kicked the free to O'Callaghan who turned Keegan inside out for the goal. A four-point turnaround and a needless yellow card all down to one player not being mentally able to deal with the pressure on the day.

It's worth having a listen to the latest GAA Hour podcast if you can stomach it.

Parkinson does a pretty decent (imho) breakdown of the 12 mins Dublin scoring spree

MayoAreMagic · 13-08-2019 12:25PM

blanch152 wrote: »

You have to add in the simple free missed by Cillian O'Connor at 1-11 to 0-8. Soon after the kick-out, he committed a stupid foul that got him his first yellow card on his way to a red. Kilkenny kicked the free to O'Callaghan who turned Keegan inside out for the goal. A four-point turnaround and a needless yellow card all down to one player not being mentally able to deal with the pressure on the day.

Take a breather man. It's not our fault your auld mot fancies o'connor.
Your team is financially doped up to the eyeballs and were 1-5 on to win the game. They won the game.

MoyVilla9 · 13-08-2019 02:17PM

Noccy_Mondy wrote: »

Has anyone got a breakdown of every Mayo match played this year, from FBD through to Saturday last. Was at all bar 2 or 3 but forget how many exactly there was!

https://mayogaablog.com/?page_id=219

Try this. It doesn't have details on Meath, Donegal or Dublin, yet, but the information on the earlier games is there.

Rebelinho · 13-08-2019 02:30PM

Who would Mayo supporters prefer to lose the final?

13-08-2019 02:37PM

Can't see Henry not been drafted in in the next few years. As a good a freetaker as i have seen for Mayo in the semi final a few days ago as well. Seems to have what a lot of our current forwards are missing.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1155128831897952256

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 13-08-2019 02:41PM

Rebelinho wrote: »

Who would Mayo supporters prefer to lose the final?

It's like choosing which testicle I want to be stabbed in.

The high horse brigade · 13-08-2019 02:53PM

Rebelinho wrote: »

Who would Mayo supporters prefer to lose the final?

Garth Brooks

Pineapple1 · 13-08-2019 03:07PM

Over In Castlebar today and it's great to see the amount of people young and old still wearing their Mayo jerseys about the place.

blanch152 · 13-08-2019 03:29PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Take a breather man. It's not our fault your auld mot fancies o'connor.
Your team is financially doped up to the eyeballs and were 1-5 on to win the game. They won the game.

I know you are hurting so I will let it go, but there was absolutely nothing inaccurate in my post.

Rebelinho · 13-08-2019 03:48PM

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

It's like choosing which testicle I want to be stabbed in.

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Garth Brooks

Haha!

The reason I'm asking is because my (Kerry) friend reckons Mayo would dislike Dublin much more than Kerry. I'm not sure it's that clearcut although going for 5 in a row might skew it a bit.

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

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