When did being right wing become a cool lifestyle choice for young adults?

07-08-2019 07:19PM

I think the left has become like the headmistress they all grew up with. Overbearing, bossy and bullying.

Then there is the more farcical issues like insisting the big hairy man in a dress is really a woman.

Not to mention the white man always bad narrative.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 07-08-2019 07:19PM

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

You went way back there.

I think there’s a reaction to the “check your privilege” left, which is a pity as economic (centre) leftism would be a good idea now.

I think that's a bit too recent....

07-08-2019 07:20PM

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

I think she is just about smart enough to realise that the tide will turn and that history won't look too favourably on low level internet celebrity pseudo-intellectual hate-mongers. Something that can't be said for many of her compatriots.

Southern got herself in a bit of a bind. Plenty on Google about it.

pjohnson · 07-08-2019 07:21PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

We're lucky in Ireland that the Right Wing "demagogues" are either crackpots (Gemma O'Doherty, Michael Quinn) or un-electable hysterics with a charisma bypass like Barrett.

They and their followers keep boards amusing :pac:

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. · 07-08-2019 07:22PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I have a version of this with a woman singing the, original’s, man’s part.

Is that “acceptable” to play at Christmas parties?

Never mind Christmas. Did you drop a loaf at the festivities on Saturday or were you "all clear" on arrival?

Stephen15 · 07-08-2019 07:23PM

Because the left have abandoned left wing values such as workers rights, pay and conditions etc. by supporting a race to bottom through mass immigration. Why do people on the left support immigration when it erodes workers pay and puts pressure on state run public services like healthcare and education.

The modern left support support big business for example Facebook and Google and international finace capitalism. While the right are more likely to support small independent idigenous business.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 07-08-2019 07:26PM

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

If you look at the popular youth movements of the sixties, say the student rebellions in France in 1968, all of these people were reading Marx, Engels, and were being taught by individuals like Lyotard, Baudrillard etc.

There was a rich intersection between art (Debord) political theory and praxis. Whether you agree with them or not, the level of discussion was much higher. These days you have a Lorraine Southern video sympathetic to white South Africans and an angry poorly formed Paul Joseph Watson rant and the next thing you know you got another school shooting

A much smaller number of people went to university then, the level of discussion could be more verbose.

Richard Hillman · 07-08-2019 07:30PM

Conservatism is the new counter culture. The establishment is now left wing, Liberal and bordering regressive in their progressiveness.

The establishment sing the same tune, the media sing the same tune, the politicians sing the same tune. The youth will always rebel against the establishment.

Loafing Oaf · 07-08-2019 07:31PM

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

When did being right wing become a cool lifestyle choice for young adults?

Seems like more and more kiddies are flocking to reactionary, selfish, right wing ideologies.

In Ireland? I hadn't noticed...

EmmetSpiceland · 07-08-2019 07:34PM

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

Never mind Christmas. Did you drop a loaf at the festivities on Saturday or were you "all clear" on arrival?

This isn’t really the place for “that”, S. But as you seem so concerned I’ll tell you.

As stated previously, in another thread, I managed to break the “deadlock” before I left. It wasn’t pretty but it was good enough. The tinned pears, though, were a particularly bad idea.

Still had, fairly, bad gas for most of the early evening and had to make two, quick, trips to the “facility” but was, otherwise, unscathed.

BalcombeSt4 · 07-08-2019 07:37PM

pablohoney87 wrote: »

I've seen a large increase in people sharing Ben Gilroy, Gemma O'D and Yellow vest Ireland material in fairness.

From what I've seen is theres an increase in far right material out there.

Leo Sherlock also seems to be doing his part to keep the hate out there too

Sure, there's always been mad nutters around.

O'Duffy & the Blueshirts & Greenshirts in the 1930's
Denis Fahey & Maria Duce in the 50's.

I don't think they've ever had mass grassroots support.

Gemma O'D got 1.85% in the European elections.

I live in one of the biggest Urban towns in Ireland & have never seen anyone wearing a yellow vest unless riding a bike at night. What part of the country are you in, maybe it's just your end?

That's not to say there's no real problems. Of course there is huge problems with homeless people & unemployment.

Reality King · 07-08-2019 07:43PM

When they see the crime, terrorism and social problems that migration brings and they say to themselves 'wait, it wasn't like that in my parents' day, was it?'.

Loafing Oaf · 07-08-2019 07:44PM

pablohoney87 wrote: »

I've seen a large increase in people sharing Ben Gilroy, Gemma O'D and Yellow vest Ireland material in fairness.

From what I've seen is theres an increase in far right material out there.

Leo Sherlock also seems to be doing his part to keep the hate out there too

No discernible impact on electoral politics so far though, which is surely what counts. Apart from the Peter Casey phenomenon, but I am yet to be convinced that that represents a serious yearning for Trump-style politics on the part of the Irish voter.

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. · 07-08-2019 07:45PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

This isn’t really the place for “that”, S. But as you seem so concerned I’ll tell you.

As stated previously, in another thread, I managed to break the “deadlock” before I left. It wasn’t pretty but it was good enough. The tinned pears, though, were a particularly bad idea.

Still had, fairly, bad gas for most of the early evening and had to make two, quick, trips to the “facility” but was, otherwise, unscathed.

It's the two trips I'm interested in. Stressful socially? Much dirt? How was the flush? Facilities different to home?

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

This isn’t really the place for “that”, S.

Don't worry about that, after all it's my thread.

Ulysses Gaze · 07-08-2019 07:46PM

Reality King wrote: »

When they see the crime, terrorism and social problems that migration brings and they say to themselves 'wait, it wasn't like that in my parents' day, was it?'.

They obviously never lived in Ireland in the 1980's and 1990's then when all those things were very prevalent in Ireland!

Without "Mass Migration" or "Open Borders"

Reality King · 07-08-2019 07:48PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

They obviously never lived in Ireland in the 1980's and 1990's then when all those things were very prevalent in Ireland!

Without "Mass Migration" or "Open Borders"

Tired old baby boomer deflection. 'Don't get angry about Islamic terrorism because we had the IRA' . Yawn.

Ulysses Gaze · 07-08-2019 07:52PM

Reality King wrote: »

Tired old baby boomer deflection. 'Don't get angry about Islamic terrorism because we had the IRA' . Yawn.

And drug gangs and massive heroin problems in inner city Dublin.

And rampant unemployment and social deprivation which the likes of you have not seen here in Ireland. Clondalkin, Clonsilla, Ballymun etc are paradises now compared to what they once were.

And yeah, more people were killed on the island of Ireland by the Ra than Islamic Terrorists.

But keep on spinning that things are worse now because a few black and brown men have turned up.....

Reality King · 07-08-2019 07:55PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And drug gangs and massive heroin problems in inner city Dublin.

And rampant unemployment and social deprivation which the likes of you have not seen here in Ireland. Clondalkin, Clonsilla, Ballymun etc are paradises now compared to what they once were.

And yeah, more people were killed on the island of Ireland by the Ra than Islamic Terrorists.

But keep on spinning that things are worse now.....

Not denying that, it just tiresome when npc bots bring this up when up when you're discussing Islsm, immigration etc.

They programmed you guys well I must say!

hatrickpatrick · 07-08-2019 07:58PM

When the mainstream left became utterly toxic, authoritarian, and horrendously bigoted.

Young whites and young men / boys in particular have every legitimate reason to despise the left. And as a lifelong leftist, I'm utterly, bitterly furious at many of my fellow leftists for allowing such bigotry to fester and develop to the point at which we're pushing away a generation which would otherwise be fully on board with what we believe in.

The anger and confusion directed against young right wingers by mainstream leftists is hilarious. They spent most of the last decade telling a lot of these people to hate themselves and expect (and welcome as a form of historical 'justice') being treated like sh!t because of who they happened to be born as, and then they genuinely seemed to be shocked and taken aback when those people decided to vote for the other side instead. It's ridiculous.

Over in the States, I literally saw full forums full of Clinton supporters laughingly mocking young white men who had reservations about the rhetoric coming from some of the more extreme supporters of the left, saying "go ahead and vote for Trump! We don't need you to win!"

Then after the election, they're all like "How could you betray us like this?! How could you let that fascist win the election?"

It just doesn't compute. You can't barrage a whole demographic with generalised bigotry and then expect that demographic to support you at election time. Brexit, same story - months of telling undecided and leave-leaning voters that they were stupid, racist, senile fools, and then after the referendum, months of head scratching and wondering "where did we lose the electorate?"

I started ringing alarm bells about this in my own circle of leftist friends after seeing how some people behaved during the Gay Marriage referendum, and the "you're 100% with us or else you're a subhuman piece of sh!t who should be ostracised from society" mentality which seeped through many campaign groups at the time. I had hoped people would cop on, but as the rest of the 2010s showed, things indeed got far, far worse rather than improving.

BalcombeSt4 · 07-08-2019 08:00PM

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

You went way back there.

I think there’s a reaction to the “check your privilege” left, which is a pity as economic (centre) leftism would be a good idea now.

Not that far back, those horrors I listed were only made known to the public since the 90's & 2000's. And even if it happened a century ago (which it didn't) they are still issues that haven't been properly dealt with.

Who is the “check your privilege” left in Ireland?

And modern liberalism isn't a working class ideology either, it's a upper middle class ideology made very popular in the States by the Kennedy's who were wealthy millionaire capitalists who never had to work a day of manual labour in their lives. JFK wasn't this great anti-imperialist leader either, like he's potryared by the mainstream media, he gave the go ahead for Bay of Pigs, and started US military involvment in Vietnam & gave the go ahead for the chemical Agent Orange to be spread across the Vietnamese countryside, which babies are still being born deformed from.

So I have no great love for liberals, but it's a little refreshing to have a slight shift towards some liberal ideas in Ireland since the dark shadow of the Catholic church fell.

Ulysses Gaze · 07-08-2019 08:03PM

Reality King wrote: »

Not denying that, it just tiresome when npc bots bring this up when up when you're discussing Islsm, immigration etc.

They programmed you guys well I must say!

If you aren't denying it then what the **** are you babbling about?

You said that kids were probably pissed off that 'wait, it wasn't like that in my parents' day, was it?'.

It was worse in almost all instances.

Things are far better now than they were back in the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's in Ireland.

Ah yes..the old NPC nonsense because I don't agree that Islamism, Feminism, Communism, Socialism, Marxism (delete where applicable) is destroying Ireland.

We are all sheeple and you are the enlightened one.

hatrickpatrick · 07-08-2019 08:04PM

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Who is the “check your privilege” left in Ireland?

Ivana Bacik, Mary Mitchell O'Connor, unfortunately as a former founding member a lot of PBP supporters during the Repeal referendum, a very, very sizeable cohort of college aged folks (I graduated in 2015 and it was already starting to become a thing), journalists such as Una Mullally and Louise O'Neill, etc etc etc.

Reality King · 07-08-2019 08:08PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

If you aren't denying it then what the **** are you babbling about?

You said that kids were probably pissed off that 'wait, it wasn't like that in my parents' day, was it?'.

It was worse in almost all instances.

Things are far better now than they were back in the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's in Ireland.

Ah yes..the old NPC nonsense because I don't agree that Islamism, Feminism, Communism, Socialism, Marxism (delete where applicable) is destroying Ireland.

We are all sheeple and you are the enlightened one.

Oh touchy. I've seen you people go into safe mode when I question why there's no Islamic terror attacks in Poland or Hungary, but loads in Germany, Britain, France etc.

They need to update your programming, release a patch or something.

BalcombeSt4 · 07-08-2019 08:12PM

Reality King wrote: »

When they see the crime, terrorism and social problems that migration brings and they say to themselves 'wait, it wasn't like that in my parents' day, was it?'.

That's interesting, never knew that Hutch & Kinahan were migrants from the Middle East.

joe40 · 07-08-2019 08:13PM

There is another thread active as we speak asking, "why are so many millenials getting int communism"
We might be over thinking this. How about a range of different people have a range of different views. Like it has always been

Ulysses Gaze · 07-08-2019 08:18PM

Reality King wrote: »

Oh touchy. I've seen you people go into safe mode when I question why there's no Islamic terror attacks in Poland or Hungary, but loads in Germany, Britain, France etc.

They need to update your programming, release a patch or something.

And you've not answered your own question. Just as you Alt-Right Bots never do.

"How is is worse now than in my parents' day?'

Shame you Alt-Right bots also have no idea what it was like to live in Europe in the 1980's and 1990's when groups like the Red Army Faction, ETA, Provos, UDA, UDF were bombing and killing people on a regular basis.

Or when the RTE News and Radio were reporting every day about either terrorist attacks that took place or that had been thwarted here, in the North or in the UK.

Maybe you should read some actual history books. Rather than getting all your "knowledge" from Youtube shills.

Reality King · 07-08-2019 08:20PM

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

That's interesting, never knew that Hutch & Kinahan were migrants from the Middle East.

'You can't get angry about Islamic terrorism because Hutch and Kinahan'.

07-08-2019 08:21PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

We're lucky in Ireland that the Right Wing "demagogues" are either crackpots (Gemma O'Doherty, Michael Quinn) or un-electable hysterics with a charisma bypass like Barrett.

They're also a very good distraction from the fact that the economic "centre" now would have been seen as far more economically rightwing in, say, 1980. Now, right-wing social conservatives are designated as having a monopoly on "the rightwing" while the ineffably more dangerous rightwing economic conservatives are designated as some normalised "centre". Follow the money. The latter's quotidian response to everything is to strip state resources and advocate privatisation/the rich getting richer with every breath. Neoliberal freemarket fundamentalism has had a very, very good run of it in Ireland at this stage. We don't have anything approaching a serious economically leftwing party. Labour, the smoked salmon socialists, is firmly economically conservative. Firmly.

gw80 · 07-08-2019 08:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

If you look at the popular youth movements of the sixties, say the student rebellions in France in 1968, all of these people were reading Marx, Engels, and were being taught by individuals like Lyotard, Baudrillard etc.

There was a rich intersection between art (Debord) political theory and praxis. Whether you agree with them or not, the level of discussion was much higher. These days you have a Lorraine Southern video sympathetic to white South Africans and an angry poorly formed Paul Joseph Watson rant and the next thing you know you got another school shooting

Lorna southern has retired into the sunset.

With many sheckles in the bank.

rainybillwill · 07-08-2019 08:26PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

If you aren't denying it then what the **** are you babbling about?

You said that kids were probably pissed off that 'wait, it wasn't like that in my parents' day, was it?'.

It was worse in almost all instances.

Things are far better now than they were back in the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's in Ireland.

Ah yes..the old NPC nonsense because I don't agree that Islamism, Feminism, Communism, Socialism, Marxism (delete where applicable) is destroying Ireland.

We are all sheeple and you are the enlightened one.

Houses could be built for between 10,000 and 30,000 in the 90s ..If things are better now why are you so angry??

When did being right wing become a cool lifestyle choice for young adults?

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