Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2019/2020

6am7f9zxrsjvnb · 07-08-2019 12:01AM

giveitholly wrote: »

Would it not be a big step down for Erikson to go to utd,no champions league and I think he is 27 so should be hitting the prime of his career

Big step down ?
You do realise there was life on earth before 2018 ?

~Rebel~ · 07-08-2019 12:04AM

Rogelio Shallow Treasury wrote: »

Big step down ?
You do realise there was life on earth before 2018 ?

In the grand scheme of things, Utd are obviously a massive club. But right now, they're at close to their lowest ebb in 30 years. For a player, all they can really consider is the 'right now'.

For Eriksen, he's wanted by both Barca and Madrid (and every other top team), but not at the price Levy is looking for. He's available on a free next year. So he could join a Utd team that isn't challenging in England or Europe, or he could hang out for just 1 year at a club that actually is challenging in both, and then go to one of the worlds top teams for his last big contract next summer.

noodler · 07-08-2019 12:14AM

So dybala and cout to spurs.

Erikson to utd (a weird one)

Can't help but be a little jealous.

J Mysterio · 07-08-2019 02:24AM

FitzShane wrote: »

I think Barca can only possibly owe Liverpool, at most, £9m more for Coutinho, and £4.5m of this is still attainable if Coutinho leaves this window (I think).

The breakdown was £106m paid upfront, with £36m in attainable addons.

Barca paid £4.5 for qualification for the 2018/2019 CL.
Barca paid £4.5 for qualification for the 2019/2020 CL.
Barca will pay £4.5 every 25 games. He has played 75 games for Barca, so they have payed £13.5.

That is £22.5m so far we have received in add-ons to date, plus the initial £106m, so that is £128.5m total that Barca have paid to Liverpool so far.

The other money that is attainable is £4.5m if Coutinho plays 25 more games for Barca, and another £4.5m if they win the 2019/2020 CL.

Barca would have had to pay another £4.5 for winning the 2018/2019 CL, but of course they didn't as some team in red knocked them out and won it themselves. This is now unattainable.

Love the last bit :pac:

gimli2112 · 07-08-2019 05:28AM

noodler wrote: »

So dybala and cout to spurs.

Erikson to utd (a weird one)

Can't help but be a little jealous.

Yeah I wasn't bothered really by our lack of transfer activity but with Arsenal last week and City, Utd and Spurs this week I'm starting to feel left out.

Dickerty · 07-08-2019 08:09AM

noodler wrote: »

So dybala and cout to spurs.

Erikson to utd (a weird one)

Can't help but be a little jealous.

Yeh, I would too except none of this has happened, and would take a miracle to pull all that off with 2 days to go...

klose · 07-08-2019 08:23AM

Klopp is quite rare? With transfers. It was van dijk or nobody for example, he's willing to deal with what he has unless he can get the player he wants despite the fact he's looking to upgrade on them. Other managers have a plan B or C (see Rodgers regime) but it's whoever Klopp wants or stay put it seems.

On other clubs transfers, it looks like it's gonna be a busy last couple days especially for spurs and united so that will be interesting. I think Klopp is completely vindicated in not wanting cout back given the fiasco he left and the fact we reached two European cup finals, winning one obviously since he left. I've often questioned klopps thinking and plans but he always comes out in the end as being right so I'm just gonna be OK with what he's doing this summer.

Dickerty · 07-08-2019 08:49AM

Without a doubt, we have to trust Klopp. He did it at Dortmund, and he's done it with us. He'd rather stick than twist. He builds rapport with players, he knows they'll be ready when called upon. We are just the FM generation and need transfers!

ERG89 · 07-08-2019 09:05AM

Find the transfer activity a bit baffling this summer tbh. Even the outgoings. The bosman's should have been sold already same with Clyne who got injured after we played him so will leave for nothing next summer. Signing Adrian should have happened 6 weeks ago instead we gave Mignolet games and brought a goalie who was a free agent to the states for a glorified holiday. Even Mignolet we got the bare minimum fee for him at the end of the day. Wilson going on a flat loan with no obligation to buy which even we got with Danny Ings.
The lack of incomings then....if there is one thing our preseason showed was the disparity between the starting XI and our squad. People can say Klopp likes to wait for his signings but the only thing that held up Van Dijk then was waiting to sell Coutinho we still paid the quoted fee to Southampton anyway.
But if you can't sign a senior player after you win the Champions League and even just the financial windfall of just playing in the Premier League I don't know when you can. I can see us not buying in January as usually it's dead unless you lose a key player so potentially we could go 2 years without signing a player who could make the senior team which is odd for a team who just made 2 Champions League finals the last 15 months.

brevity · 07-08-2019 09:08AM

It’s definitely a bit frustrating looking at others around us improve but they will have their issues integrating their new players too.

It would be nice to have a new signing though...push on from a strong position. Klopp seems to trust his squad and I guess we’ll just have to as well.

However, It won’t look good if one of the front three get injured and Klopp talks about not being able to predict injuries.

Muahahaha · 07-08-2019 09:17AM

Must admit when the rumours of Coutinho to Arsenal were about I wasn't that bothered at all, now that it is to Spurs I am as he would seriously improve that team. If they landed both him and Dybala they will have strengthened significantly.

Dickerty · 07-08-2019 09:19AM

brevity wrote: »

However, It won’t look good if one of the front three get injured and Klopp talks about not being able to predict injuries.

Yeh, then we will only have Origi, Shaq, Brewster, Kent and potentially Ox and Gini to call upon...

People were obsessed with getting a new LB for months, then Larouchi plays a few pre season games, and now it's all good. Same with Hoever for RB.
We are easily frustrated and easily placated.

BullBlackNova · 07-08-2019 09:21AM

ERG89 wrote: »

Find the transfer activity a bit baffling this summer tbh. Even the outgoings. The bosman's should have been sold already same with Clyne who got injured after we played him so will leave for nothing next summer. Signing Adrian should have happened 6 weeks ago instead we gave Mignolet games and brought a goalie who was a free agent to the states for a glorified holiday. Even Mignolet we got the bare minimum fee for him at the end of the day. Wilson going on a flat loan with no obligation to buy which even we got with Danny Ings.
The lack of incomings then....if there is one thing our preseason showed was the disparity between the starting XI and our squad. People can say Klopp likes to wait for his signings but the only thing that held up Van Dijk then was waiting to sell Coutinho we still paid the quoted fee to Southampton anyway.
But if you can't sign a senior player after you win the Champions League and even just the financial windfall of just playing in the Premier League I don't know when you can. I can see us not buying in January as usually it's dead unless you lose a key player so potentially we could go 2 years without signing a player who could make the senior team which is odd for a team who just made 2 Champions League finals the last 15 months.

I won't reply to all of this but just a few points...

- the club was happy for Mignolet to stay. By all accounts, he was happy too until this specific deal came up. I don't see any issue with letting a player who wants to leave go. Adding Adrian so quickly is pretty good too - no faffing about. No sub goalie signing is ever going to be exciting.
- the bosmans - again, it has been reported that the club wanted to keep Moreno. God knows why but he turned us down and left. Why would they sell a player last year that they wanted to keep?
- Wilson with no obligation to buy - surely that's in case he has a good season and we want to keep him after? Obligation to buy removes the power from us entirely unless we include a buy back which, you'd imagine, would have to be higher than any selling fee... Tbh I'm surprised Bournemouth agreed to that deal. It doesn't seem to benefit them really. They do the hard work developing him and we reap the reward either by selling or keeping him in a year.
- and on the final point of going two years without signing a player being strange for a team who just made two champions league finals... Surely that's why the club didn't see the need to? We just made two CL finals after all!

I don't entirely think our business has been perfect by any stretch but we lost nobody, we added some young talent and the pathway to the first team is there for the fringe players and the young players. People are obsessed with signing players to the point that we almost forget that they are people not commodities - this is about their working environment too. Klopp coming along and shredding a successful dressing room to add players who would play 20 or so games next season and cost €50-100m would upset our balance.

Sure, injuries could be costly but every team faces that. Are City fans panicked about the fact that they are very short on CBs, for example?

I'm just not sure it's worth stressing over. I'm not blindly saying "in klopp we trust" or any nonsense like that but this squad of players and this coaching staff proved themselves a cut above almost every one last season and maintaining that is surely more important than adding a new player and potentially upsetting it all.

Dickerty · 07-08-2019 09:23AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Must admit when the rumours of Coutinho to Arsenal were about I wasn't that bothered at all, now that it is to Spurs I am as he would seriously improve that team. If they landed both him and Dybala they will have strengthened significantly.

With their wage structure, they would blow it up if they signed either. They have c. 10 of the first team squad on 80k basic or less. I think only Shaq and maybe Gini on in that bracket.

noodler · 07-08-2019 09:24AM

Dickerty wrote: »

Without a doubt, we have to trust Klopp. He did it at Dortmund, and he's done it with us. He'd rather stick than twist. He builds rapport with players, he knows they'll be ready when called upon. We are just the FM generation and need transfers!

Close down the thread.

We all trust Klopp.

No need for it.

.red. · 07-08-2019 09:32AM

Dickerty wrote: »

With their wage structure, they would blow it up if they signed either. They have c. 10 of the first team squad on 80k basic or less. I think only Shaq and maybe Gini on in that bracket.

Gini is surely due a big contract bump soon if he's on that wage.
I was chatting to a utd fan last week and discussing who we'd take from the other team that was realistic. He chose Gini, reckoned he was the most underrated player in the league.
My pick was Martial, but stated that he was to be cover for the front 3, not a starter. He didn't like that as supposedly he's better than Mané. I got a giggle from that.

Muahahaha · 07-08-2019 09:38AM

Dickerty wrote: »

With their wage structure, they would blow it up if they signed either. They have c. 10 of the first team squad on 80k basic or less. I think only Shaq and maybe Gini on in that bracket.

If Coutinho does end up at Spurs it'll be interesting to see what wage he is on. His Barca wage is reported as €200k a week but he'll have to take a cut. I think if he can be got for €150k a week we should consider taking him back. He is on record as saying he wants to come back and Klopp has said he is too expensive which seems to suggest that he would like him back if the money was right. Id say Phil would take a lesser wage to come back to us rather than Spurs. He'd also be coming back with a point to prove.

A front set of Son, Kane, Deli Alli, Coutinho and Dybala would be seriously frightening.

Widdensushi · 07-08-2019 09:41AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

If Coutinho does end up at Spurs it'll be interesting to see what wage he is on. His Barca wage is reported as €200k a week but he'll have to take a cut. I think if he can be got for €150k a week we should consider taking him back. He is on record as saying he wants to come back and Klopp has said he is too expensive which seems to suggest that he would like him back if the money was right. Id say Phil would take a lesser wage to come back to us rather than Spurs. He'd also be coming back with a point to prove.

A front set of Son, Kane, Deli Alli, Coutinho and Dybala would be seriously frightening.

I doubt that he will take less than he has a contract for

This is it · 07-08-2019 09:46AM

Whatever about Spurs getting Phil or Dybala, I can't see them getting both... Big money on wages for both and then transfer/loan fees. 60/70m odd for Dybala and a reported 25/27m loan fee for Phil

ebbsy · 07-08-2019 09:51AM

I think the players going to Everton are hearing "you will be living in Liverpool", and they think "I am playing for Liverpool"

Until they get there...…..

The United transfers can only be about money ????

I am satisfied with our squad. More good times ahead.

54and56 · 07-08-2019 09:52AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

If Coutinho does end up at Spurs it'll be interesting to see what wage he is on. His Barca wage is reported as €200k a week but he'll have to take a cut. I think if he can be got for €150k a week we should consider taking him back. He is on record as saying he wants to come back and Klopp has said he is too expensive which seems to suggest that he would like him back if the money was right. Id say Phil would take a lesser wage to come back to us rather than Spurs. He'd also be coming back with a point to prove.

A front set of Son, Kane, Deli Alli, Coutinho and Dybala would be seriously frightening.

Not sure he'd take less of a wage to come to us Vs Spurs but if the financials were acceptable I'd love to see him back as he offers something different which could be very beneficial Vs park the bus teams in particular.

I also don't have my nose out of joint about his move to Barca. That's life, he's a Brazilian professional who engineered and got his dream move. It looks like it hasn't worked out but he's still a very good player at the right age and PL proven with something to prove as you say.

Even some personal relationships go through mini break ups before both people accept that maybe the grass isn't greener on the other side and the best person (substitute club) for them is what they already had.

It takes maturity to accept such situations whereas the easy and immature thing to do is to burn your bridges and possibly lose out on rekindling a relationship which could benefit both parties.

TitianGerm · 07-08-2019 09:52AM

This is it wrote: »

Whatever about Spurs getting Phil or Dybala, I can't see them getting both... Big money on wages for both and then transfer/loan fees. 60/70m odd for Dybala and a reported 25/27m loan fee for Phil

And £60m for Ndombele. Levy backed out of the Le Celso transfer because the fee was to high and was dragging his heels on Sessigion as well so definitely couldn't see him oking 25m for Couthino for a year.

davyboy1975 · 07-08-2019 09:54AM

Another outgoing

George johnston off to feyenoord on a permanent deal

Muahahaha · 07-08-2019 10:09AM

54&56 wrote: »

I also don't have my nose out of joint about his move to Barca. That's life, he's a Brazilian professional who engineered and got his dream move. It looks like it hasn't worked out but he's still a very good player at the right age and PL proven with something to prove as you say.

100% on this, I know peoples noses were out of joint over the manner in which he left but when you take the raw emotion out of it he is still a superb player who has done it for us before and could do it again. He can unlock a defence in tight games and he can score from distance, which is something we've been missing and never replaced since he left.

Come back Phil, all is forgiven

Agent Coulson · 07-08-2019 10:14AM

I'd take Dybala & or Eriksson over Coutinho any day of the week and they would be cheaper.

dmigsy · 07-08-2019 10:30AM

I'd like to see Coutinho back at Liverpool on loan. Better cover for the front 3 than the current options and could play in midfield against weaker opposition. Terrific player who could slot straight in.

gimli2112 · 07-08-2019 10:52AM

BullBlackNova wrote: »

I won't reply to all of this but just a few points...

You enticed me in with this teaser and then wrote a small novel I felt obliged to read

ebbsy · 07-08-2019 10:56AM

dmigsy wrote: »

I'd like to see Coutinho back at Liverpool on loan. Better cover for the front 3 than the current options and could play in midfield against weaker opposition. Terrific player who could slot straight in.

+1

BullBlackNova · 07-08-2019 11:00AM

gimli2112 wrote: »

You enticed me in with this teaser and then wrote a small novel I felt obliged to read

That's how you get 'em. :cool:

Vicxas · 07-08-2019 11:14AM

Smart business by Spurs. That makes them a huge threat this season if it goes through

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