Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Seth Brundle · 06-08-2019 02:10PM

ganmo wrote: »

I can run faster than I was travelling. Could I of stopped? Possibly but it would of been more dangerous to the walkers.
I had less than 5ft from the front wheel when I saw them, if theyd been the other side of the road I'd of seen them from 20 yards back with loads of time to decide what to do.

When walking country roads myself I always feel safer when I know I can be seen from as far as possible

You had a 5 feet line of sight? Where in Ireland is this?
I'm calling shenanigans!

ganmo · 06-08-2019 02:17PM

PM me if you want to know where exactly.
By 5 ft I mean when I saw them they were 5 ft from the front wheel, bear in mind where the driver is in a tractor

Seth Brundle · 06-08-2019 02:30PM

ganmo wrote: »

PM me if you want to know where exactly.
By 5 ft I mean when I saw them they were 5 ft from the front wheel, bear in mind where the driver is in a tractor

I learned to drive on a tractor.
I've driven tractors of varying heights and lengths.
I've never been in a position where I had a view of only 5 feet ahead of me.

Why not just post a link to the bend on google maps?

ganmo · 06-08-2019 04:04PM

I'm happy to send such a link to anyone via pm but I'm not going to post one in public

Seth Brundle · 06-08-2019 04:09PM

ok send it to me please

CramCycle · 06-08-2019 04:10PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

I learned to drive on a tractor.
I've driven tractors of varying heights and lengths.
I've never been in a position where I had a view of only 5 feet ahead of me.

Why not just post a link to the bend on google maps?

The first 5 feet ahead of you is about the only place you don't have a view of in most modern tractors, bring back the good auld 135s, none of these fancy yolks :pac:

DaveyDave · 06-08-2019 05:42PM

Cycling down the north quays, a rare tailwind behind me. Approaching Capel St junction where the bus lane splits into two lanes, convenient I thought, as it would make it easier for me to get to the right lane to turn at the bridge. Suddenly a Range Rover cuts into the bus lane across the solid white and I have to drop the anchor. Not the closest call I've had but wheel skidded and damp conditions weren't ideal. Garda van probably 4 cars ahead too.

Lezyne 800 on flashing, in the middle of the lane. Couldn't be any more obvious. Traffic wasn't even that bad considering it was around 3:30. I've sat in worst at 11am!

queldy · 06-08-2019 10:25PM

fat bloke wrote: »

I'd say there's a very high probability of coming across the same lad in the same car in the same place at the same time, and in all likelihood driving in the same manner . - Always amuses/intrigues me how habitual commuting can be and how aligned one's own commute is to others. Walking to school with the kids, it tickled me how often the same guy on a Ducati would drone under the M50 pedestrian bridge as we traversed it. A bike coming from God knows where, travelling at 100kph routinely coinciding with our 20 second bridge crossing. The slightest delay to tie a shoe-lace and we'd miss each other entirely.

on the same topic (the high probability of finding the same drivers, at the same time, at the same place - often doing the same offense):
I posted a month or two ago about me witnessing a truck in a wrong way (Lincoln Lane), entering the Quay and causing an incoming cyclist to have troubles and smash on a light pole. I helped the cyclist, but I could not properly see the regulation (in fact, as I verified later, I switched a 9 with an 8, being it bit far for my sight) of the truck. So when the cyclist reported the incident, garda wasn't able to proceed further.
A few days ago, I am walking to work, I am in Lincoln Lane, and guess what happens? Same truck, same violation (wrong way), same place, similar time. Had the time to record and now the video will be further investigated, hopefully.
And if company has record of who's driving the truck at specific days, then one could also be able to identify who was driving, right?

Effects · 07-08-2019 09:44AM

DaveyDave wrote: »

Garda van probably 4 cars ahead too.

I was heading down the quays close to that point last year.
Lots of people driving down the bus lane, Garda car in the far right lane.
I caught up with them and asked if they was anything they could do about it.
Response was "They are probably turning left ahead, nothing we can do about it".
You could clearly see them cutting back into reg traffic lane further ahead.
Made the rest of my commute more frustrating.

Duckjob · 07-08-2019 09:59AM

Effects wrote: »

I was heading down the quays close to that point last year.
Lots of people driving down the bus lane, Garda car in the far right lane.
I caught up with them and asked if they was anything they could do about it.
Response was "They are probably turning left ahead, nothing we can do about it".
You could clearly see them cutting back into reg traffic lane further ahead.
Made the rest of my commute more frustrating.

"Go away, silly little cyclist, and don't be bothering the grown-ups on the road going about their business"

Effects · 07-08-2019 12:19PM

Duckjob wrote: »

"Go away, silly little cyclist, and don't be bothering the grown-ups on the road going about their business"

Sorry, should have said, I was in my car at the time!
I don't get that stressed on my bike, which is one of the many benefits of cycling.
That was also the tipping point for me, and I never drive the north quays anymore unless it's after midnight.

Pinch Flat · 08-08-2019 08:15AM

Effects wrote: »

I was heading down the quays close to that point last year.
Lots of people driving down the bus lane, Garda car in the far right lane.
I caught up with them and asked if they was anything they could do about it.
Response was "They are probably turning left ahead, nothing we can do about it".
You could clearly see them cutting back into reg traffic lane further ahead.
Made the rest of my commute more frustrating.

North quays bus lane from beyond capel street bridge to O’connell street are heavily abused by private motorists. They sense they can get away with it - the same yesterday Range Rover and Audi (no surprise there!) hind each other in the bus lane with a Garda car in the regular lane right beside them. No issues. The odd time you’ll see a Garda on a motorbike ticketing some cars for using the bus lane - must be when there’s a blip in the numbers of summons issued on the station.

What Username Guidelines · 08-08-2019 11:32AM

Met a lady having a bad day on the quays yesterday AM, she entered the bus lane sharply between Four Courts and Capel Street. She was nowhere near me, but came very close to a scooter ahead of me. Instantly met a line of traffic in the bus lane, mostly private cars. I passed on the outside just where the road goes to driving lane/bus lane/driving lane, her window was open so I just said "Bus Lane" and continued along. She didnt like that. Straight out of her lane, into the bus lane in the middle and skims past on my right, roaring at me. Like it looked like she was about to do herself some damage if she didnt take a breath. No idea what she said as her window was up.

Anyway, she wasnt going to Jervis Street, just skipping queues. Could see her properly enraged as I sailed by her a couple of hundred feet up the quays.

Boom_Bap · 08-08-2019 11:58AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Met a lady having a bad day on the quays yesterday AM, she entered the bus lane sharply between Four Courts and Capel Street. She was nowhere near me, but came very close to a scooter ahead of me. Instantly met a line of traffic in the bus lane, mostly private cars. I passed on the outside just where the road goes to driving lane/bus lane/driving lane, her window was open so I just said "Bus Lane" and continued along. She didnt like that. Straight out of her lane, into the bus lane in the middle and skims past on my right, roaring at me. Like it looked like she was about to do herself some damage if she didnt take a breath. No idea what she said as her window was up.

Anyway, she wasnt going to Jervis Street, just skipping queues. Could see her properly enraged as I sailed by her a couple of hundred feet up the quays.

To be fair, you shouldn't have said anything to her in the first place as she had done nothing to you....that's just how I'm reading it.

average_runner · 08-08-2019 12:19PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Met a lady having a bad day on the quays yesterday AM, she entered the bus lane sharply between Four Courts and Capel Street. She was nowhere near me, but came very close to a scooter ahead of me. Instantly met a line of traffic in the bus lane, mostly private cars. I passed on the outside just where the road goes to driving lane/bus lane/driving lane, her window was open so I just said "Bus Lane" and continued along. She didnt like that. Straight out of her lane, into the bus lane in the middle and skims past on my right, roaring at me. Like it looked like she was about to do herself some damage if she didnt take a breath. No idea what she said as her window was up.

Anyway, she wasnt going to Jervis Street, just skipping queues. Could see her properly enraged as I sailed by her a couple of hundred feet up the quays.

I do a similar thing, but to cyclists that go through green pedestrian lights when I am walking/running across. None ever answer me back.

cdaly_ · 08-08-2019 01:22PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Anyway, she wasnt going to Jervis Street, just skipping queues. Could see her properly enraged as I sailed by her a couple of hundred feet up the quays.

I usually wave cheerily at drivers who have gone to special effort to overtake me to get to the back of a queue 50m up the road...

DaveyDave · 08-08-2019 04:27PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

To be fair, you shouldn't have said anything to her in the first place as she had done nothing to you....that's just how I'm reading it.

If someone wants to act like an arsehole and break the law they should be called out on it. I don't see an issue with that to be honest. If he was to get off the bike in front of her and make a big stink about it that's a different story. It's no different to me calling someone a wanker or giving them the WTF hand gesture when they close pass me.

And it does effect him, although minor, there's now another car adding to the traffic of a relatively empty lane that private motorists are legally prohibited from using during posted hours.

It's not the end of the world, although people like her make it out to be...

Boom_Bap · 09-08-2019 11:01AM

DaveyDave wrote: »

If someone wants to act like an arsehole and break the law they should be called out on it. I don't see an issue with that to be honest. If he was to get off the bike in front of her and make a big stink about it that's a different story. It's no different to me calling someone a wanker or giving them the WTF hand gesture when they close pass me.

And it does effect him, although minor, there's now another car adding to the traffic of a relatively empty lane that private motorists are legally prohibited from using during posted hours.

It's not the end of the world, although people like her make it out to be...

I know where you are coming from, I really do, but there are too many people self policing on the roads and it's certainly not helping anything. It's only antagonising road users (who are already careless about the ROR) and leading to more rage on the roads.

Sometimes you just need to let a dick be a dick and move on.

donvito99 · 09-08-2019 08:34PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I know where you are coming from, I really do, but there are too many people self policing on the roads and it's certainly not helping anything. It's only antagonising road users (who are already careless about the ROR) and leading to more rage on the roads.

Sometimes you just need to let a dick be a dick and move on.

The Self Policing would appear to be the only policing taking place on Irish roads nowadays.

RobbieMD · 09-08-2019 09:46PM

donvito99 wrote: »

The Self Policing would appear to be the only policing taking place on Irish roads nowadays.

https://www.garda.ie/en/roads-policing/statistics/roads-policing-statistics-for-2019/

This would suggest otherwise

AndrewJRenko · 09-08-2019 09:56PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I know where you are coming from, I really do, but there are too many people self policing on the roads and it's certainly not helping anything. It's only antagonising road users (who are already careless about the ROR) and leading to more rage on the roads.

Sometimes you just need to let a dick be a dick and move on.

How do you work out that 'it's definitely not helping'? Doing nothing is DEFINITELY NOT helping, as the offensive behaviour continues and becomes more prevalent.

magicbastarder · 10-08-2019 12:34AM

RobbieMD wrote: »

https://www.garda.ie/en/roads-policing/statistics/roads-policing-statistics-for-2019/

This would suggest otherwise

That's a bit meaningless without context though? 700 drink driving detections in April is less than one person caught per county per day, for example. Is that expected or reasonable?

RobbieMD · 10-08-2019 08:02AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

That's a bit meaningless without context though? 700 drink driving detections in April is less than one person caught per county per day, for example. Is that expected or reasonable?

I was responding to another poster who said self policing is the only policing happening now. My point is that’s clearly false. There are thousands prosecuted per month for Road Traffic offences.

With regards to your question, about 700 per month does seem to be the average over the last few years, so I imagine that’s what’s expected and seems reasonable, if that’s what the trends suggest. But those 700 detections for intoxicated driving per month aren’t as a result of a cyclist glowering at a motorist on their phone or whatever. I think that just feeds into the whole road rage thing and you end up with a pissed off cyclist and a pissed off motorist. By all means people can continue at it. Personally when I cycle into work or wherever else, I mind my business and don’t let others annoy me to the extent I pick an argument with them. Life has enough stressors without actively seeking them out. I used to get annoyed, now I’m more in agreement with those who smile at the raving lunatic behind the wheel, as I continue on my way.

AndrewJRenko · 10-08-2019 10:40AM

RobbieMD wrote: »

I was responding to another poster who said self policing is the only policing happening now. My point is that’s clearly false. There are thousands prosecuted per month for Road Traffic offences.

That's true, though in the context of the millions of traffic offences committed each month (counting the frequency of speeding and mobile phone use), thousands prosecuted isn't a great deterrent.

RobbieMD wrote: »

With regards to your question, about 700 per month does seem to be the average over the last few years, so I imagine that’s what’s expected and seems reasonable, if that’s what the trends suggest. But those 700 detections for intoxicated driving per month aren’t as a result of a cyclist glowering at a motorist on their phone or whatever. I think that just feeds into the whole road rage thing and you end up with a pissed off cyclist and a pissed off motorist. By all means people can continue at it. Personally when I cycle into work or wherever else, I mind my business and don’t let others annoy me to the extent I pick an argument with them. Life has enough stressors without actively seeking them out. I used to get annoyed, now I’m more in agreement with those who smile at the raving lunatic behind the wheel, as I continue on my way.

I find calling out other people on their BS to be LESS stressful than ignoring it. It's quite cathartic really.

RobbieMD · 10-08-2019 11:15AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

That's true, though in the context of the millions of traffic offences committed each month (counting the frequency of speeding and mobile phone use), thousands prosecuted isn't a great deterrent.

I find calling out other people on their BS to be LESS stressful than ignoring it. It's quite cathartic really.

I’m all for rolling out speed cameras, average speed cameras, lower limits etc as much as possible. Speeding is a massive problem in this country, and the penalty is too lenient. Same for mobile phone use.

Maybe you find it cathartic but I never did. I used to get myself wound up over some ass, now I try to just leave it on the road behind me. YouTube is full of videos of people having road rage encounters, and because they feel they’re the person in the right, they start speeding up to catch the other person, blasting horns, roaring and shouting abuse. It’s all just unnecessary stress imo.

AndrewJRenko · 10-08-2019 12:21PM

RobbieMD wrote: »

. YouTube is full of videos of people having road rage encounters, and because they feel they’re the person in the right, they start speeding up to catch the other person, blasting horns, roaring and shouting abuse. It’s all just unnecessary stress imo.

YouTube is also full of videos of people having non-road-rage encounters - just one adult talking to another adult, asking/telling them to change their driving style before they kill someone. No blasting horns, no shouting abuse - just one adult calling out another adult on their BS - what's the problem?

RobbieMD · 10-08-2019 03:30PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

YouTube is also full of videos of people having non-road-rage encounters - just one adult talking to another adult, asking/telling them to change their driving style before they kill someone. No blasting horns, no shouting abuse - just one adult calling out another adult on their BS - what's the problem?

I’ve no problem with that, I never said I had a problem with it, what I am saying is it’s not for me. I imagine not all drivers will be civil whilst being lectured to or gestured at or whatever. Hopefully you never meet a lunatic like that guy in Sandymount a few years back who killed another man in a road rage situation. That’s not meant in a derisive way either.

jon1981 · 11-08-2019 10:48AM

jon1981 wrote: »

Does this count as a near miss from this pr*ck

https://youtu.be/AOR7KIwYoZw

Just an update, I never got around to making a complaint here. Family bereavement at the time and it slipped down my priority list. Probably too late now.

What Username Guidelines · 11-08-2019 01:27PM

Was heading up over the bridge at Hazelhatch yesterday (driving) when an absolute asshat overtook two cyclists at the brow of the hill over a solid white line towards me. Almost came to a stop from 50km/h to make room for him. Probably got home and complained about being beeped at and that he had to get past the cyclists :rolleyes:

ED E · 11-08-2019 07:25PM

Crash during an A2/3 race today in Shannon.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/six-cyclists-injured-two-hospitalised-following-collision-in-clare-38393451.html

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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