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Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

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  • #7592
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    The way they've been carrying on its like they think that only people in the UK read their papers and the rest of the world is oblivious to the domestic rhetoric.

    Folks are reading this stuff as if it is addressed to the EU. It isn't. There are no talks or negotiations happening, not since Christmas.

    Everything since then has been the UK negotiating or arguing with themselves.

    They will keep this up until October and then beg for a last minute extension so they can keep doing it.


  • #7593
    Bigus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭Bigus


    declanflynn wrote: »
    Agree fully and I think more Irish people are think along these lines not less like the British press is reporting

    The current UK thinking is like having an ALCOHOLIC, older bigger wealthier brother/sister, who Ireland’s closest too even though he bullied you when you were younger and he gave you a leg up after. Let them off before he drags you down to his level and go off and make your own life , nearly(always?) always for the better , after initial misgivings, especially when you know your other more distant EU siblings will help.

    Once the hard decision is made , things look up immediately, and eventually he may take help and advice , but only when he acknowledges his own problems.


  • #7594
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Slightly OT but I see Leo was at Belfast pride yesterday and bizarrely is getting a lot of love from them and not the abuse you’d expect. And with the PSNI taking part in Dublin pride marching with the Gardai in June.
    We are seeing the baby steps towards a UI I reckon. It’s this stuff reaching out to the middle not the extremes and showing the middle up there is actually the majority and we’re not at all that different is what’ll help do it.
    Fair play to him.


  • #7595
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Folks are reading this stuff as if it is addressed to the EU. It isn't. There are no talks or negotiations happening, not since Christmas.

    Everything since then has been the UK negotiating or arguing with themselves.

    They will keep this up until October and then beg for a last minute extension so they can keep doing it.

    They’re so not prepared for a No Deal whatsoever. Talking about it and doing it are two completely different things


  • #7596
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Eoghan Harris thinks we are bullying the British again.

    https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/eoghan-harris-leo-varadkar-has-left-it-too-late-even-to-eat-humble-pie-38372417.html


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  • #7597
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,191 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Eoghan Harris thinks we are bullying the British again.

    https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/eoghan-harris-leo-varadkar-has-left-it-too-late-even-to-eat-humble-pie-38372417.html

    Why is the Independent printing this garbage?


  • #7598
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    Why is the Independent printing this garbage?

    He should be put out to pasture.


  • #7599
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    The indo and sindos agenda lately seems to be take down FG by any means necessary. They’re coming at them from all sorts of angles. Even if it means disruptive and damaging articles on brexit. They don’t even seem to care about them being weaponised by the brexiteers and media over there.


  • #7600
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,673 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Folks are reading this stuff as if it is addressed to the EU. It isn't. There are no talks or negotiations happening, not since Christmas.

    Everything since then has been the UK negotiating or arguing with themselves.

    They will keep this up until October and then beg for a last minute extension so they can keep doing it.
    It's what however-many millions of media spend get you. Weak articles in rags, but it's all about the coverage, get it in the voter's minds that Boris and his merry band are storming the battlements in Brussels, dogged underdogs that they are.


  • #7601
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,095 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Boris has promised £350m a week or the NHS

    Wait - it's spread over five years so it's a little over £350m a year. :rolleyes:


    BTW that £1.8Bn is nearly a third of the current repair bill of £6Bn


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  • #7602
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Seen in another light, if this isn’t a massive FU to Arlene and her DUP pals I don’t know what is :) especially given her targeting him this week calling him truculent. he’s getting tons of praise for going up. Brilliant optics. A rare PR goal for once

    https://twitter.com/policeserviceni/status/1157656505585426432?s=21


  • #7603
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,491 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Igotadose wrote: »
    It's what however-many millions of media spend get you. Weak articles in rags, but it's all about the coverage, get it in the voter's minds that Boris and his merry band are storming the battlements in Brussels, dogged underdogs that they are.
    It's the inherent schizophrenia of the thing that is so hard to get your head around. They are simultaneously being bullied by Brussels and hold all the cards. It's Schroedinger's brexit.


  • #7604
    maynooth_rules
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭maynooth_rules


    declanflynn wrote: »
    Agree fully and I think more Irish people are think along these lines not less like the British press is reporting

    I was of the idea that I didn't want Britain to suffer. That 48% of the people didn't vote for this in 2016,and that probably more would now. But it's little things, like the fact that over 50% of the votes in the by election during the week went to Brexit party and conservatives. I find that staggering. After all that has come out, all the lies and bull****, so so many leavers have hardened their views if anything. Ultimately the UK needs a hard nó deal brexit as a wake up call. But as usual if that happens, the Telegraph, Daily Mail, Sun, the Express and bloody leaflets in Weatherspoons will say its all the fault of the fault of the bullies in the EU.


  • #7605
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    Why is the Independent printing this garbage?

    Because the Indo IS garbage


  • #7606
    boggerman1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭boggerman1


    Eoin Harris is he not in some asylum for the deranged at this stage.the indo/sindo is a rag and full of west Brit types.I've not a lot of time for Leo but on the brexit issue I back him 100%.the sindo would love to have ff back in the power.


  • #7607
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,277 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Now that the UK is leaving without a deal, surely all the EU has to decide on is if checks are going to carried out at the border or away from the border.

    Why not have a vote in Ireland on it, then go to the EU and tell them this is what the people want and is that acceptable ?

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #7608
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,686 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    boggerman1 wrote: »
    Eoin Harris is he not in some asylum for the deranged at this stage.the indo/sindo is a rag and full of west Brit types.I've not a lot of time for Leo but on the brexit issue I back him 100%.the sindo would love to have ff back in the power.

    Timmy Dooley tried to take cheap political advantage on the back of the British media attack on the Irish Government and got rightly smacked for it.

    It was a useful if misguided attack in that it quickly and comprehensively showed that nobody is going to break ranks. On Brexit it looks like we have a 'national government'.
    Which is what is needed atm.


  • #7609
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,410 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Now that the UK is leaving without a deal, surely all the EU has to decide on is if checks are going to carried out at the border or away from the border.

    Why not have a vote in Ireland on it, then go to the EU and tell them this is what the people want and is that acceptable ?

    The only vote that would be applicable there would be under the GFA and it would be in relation to United Ireland. Ireland can't vote to not have a border with third countries.


  • #7610
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,988 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Now that the UK is leaving without a deal, surely all the EU has to decide on is if checks are going to carried out at the border or away from the border.

    Why not have a vote in Ireland on it, then go to the EU and tell them this is what the people want and is that acceptable ?


    The problem at Dover will be the focus initially so we don't have to worry about checks in the immediate aftermath. If the UK signs a trade deal in the first week that means a divergence of standards from the EU then the talk of a border will ramp up, but the US congress has already hinted that no-deal will not guarantee a trade deal as it would be screwing with the GFA.

    So, no we don't have to decide now on something that may only be a problem in the new year only.


  • #7611
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Arlene reveals her plans on how they’re going to be spending their billion bribe.
    I’m dyin to know what ‘uk cultural revival’ entails.

    https://twitter.com/darranmarshall/status/1157756722695614466?s=21


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  • #7612
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,277 ✭✭✭brickster69


    listermint wrote: »
    The only vote that would be applicable there would be under the GFA and it would be in relation to United Ireland. Ireland can't vote to not have a border with third countries.

    Yeah but you can do checks away from the border easily. Rotterdam do it for everything. So that is the solution is it not ?

    WTO says goods do not have to be checked at the Border, Ireland and UK say no checks will be done at the border. Why not just say goods will be checked away from the border when the UK leaves.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #7613
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Yeah but you can do checks away from the border easily. Rotterdam do it for everything. So that is the solution is it not ?

    WTO says goods do not have to be checked at the Border, Ireland and UK say no checks will be done at the border. Why not just say goods will be checked away from the border when the UK leaves.

    All for doing them at NI ports imv.


  • #7614
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No EU flags on car number plates, about 95% of UK car number plates already omit the symbol, they never adopted them in the first place.

    As for UK culture, it doesn't exist, you have English, Scottish & Welsh cultural differences and of course NI culture that's a world apart from anywhere else entirely.


  • #7615
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,375 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No EU flags on car number plates, about 95% of UK car number plates already omit the symbol, they never adopted them in the first place.

    If there is no EU flag on the number plate, they will need a separate white oval GB sticker on the car if outside the UK.


  • #7616
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    If there is no EU flag on the number plate, they will need a separate white oval GB sticker on the car if outside the UK.
    They're quite happy to do that, most countries don't enforce that rule anyway. Few UK cars in Ireland have the stickers.


  • #7617
    fash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭fash


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Yeah but you can do checks away from the border easily. Rotterdam do it for everything. So that is the solution is it not ?
    Rotterdam does its checks in the port - you agree to that?
    That's perfect- as that is all that the EU asks.


  • #7618
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    It should be no shock that the Indo/Sindo are Brexit papers.

    Meanwhile an interesting look at what some who write for journals around the world think about Brexit

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/04/how-does-the-rest-of-the-world-currently-view-the-uk-brexit-boris-johnson

    I liked this as it hits upon a truth not really talked about
    Britain confuses its standing with that of London. London is a great global city. Britain is a small European country with ideas above its station. People will continue to shop in London. Companies will locate less in Britain. The Indian government will pay less attention to the British prime minister and more to Brussels and Berlin.

    It seems to me that too many people in London seem to believe, deep down, that Brexit won’t happen. They don’t seem to realise they are now strangers in their own country.


  • #7619
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,277 ✭✭✭brickster69


    fash wrote: »
    Rotterdam does its checks in the port - you agree to that?
    That's perfect- as that is all that the EU asks.

    Yes, but the Rotterdam BIP are 40 miles away from the physical border.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #7620
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Eoghan Harris seems to think that asking for the backstop is an example Irish nationalism. It’s an EU idea. In fact it’s a EU-British idea as both set of negotiators agreed to it. It was just rejected by parliament.

    Far from being any kind of bullying of the U.K. the backstop is a concession. Parts of the U.K. can be in the common market. It’s unionist intransigence that’s the issue.


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  • #7621
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,491 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Yes, but the Rotterdam BIP are 40 miles away from the physical border.
    The port itself is a control. You can't just disappear a container load of Argentinian beef between the port and the BIP.


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