Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

eagle eye wrote: »

You are limping people in there as calm, consistent and professional who don't deserve it, I'm talking about Leo and Neale.

In terms of their performance on Brexit (relevant in the context of this thread). They deserve to be on the list.

54&56 wrote: »

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Reading through the comments below and the ones with the British flags are quite comical really. Such petulant drivel which sadly is also what we have all too often seen coming from the leadership in London since this whole farce was started.

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

*numerous versions of ‘please for the love of god stop making me defend Leo’ tweets and posts all over the place

I remember a great tweet a few months ago, if you were a Brit and who relied on the right wing press for your information on Ireland, you would think Leo is a volatile hardcore Republican.

eagle eye wrote: »

You are limping people in there as calm, consistent and professional who don't deserve it, I'm talking about Leo and Neale.

I obviously disagree. Relative to BoJo, Steve Baker, Francois, Bridgen etc I think they have been exemplary.

These are the views of Philip Lee Tory MP former Minister;
One former cabinet minister said they believed swathes of seats were now at risk, including Cheltenham, Chippenham, Guildford and even Surrey Heath, the seat of Michael Gove.

“Threatening no deal essentially hands our core seats across the South West, South East and South Coast to the Lib Dems,” the ex-minister said. “We’ll lose tonnes of decent MPs. The Lib Dems will pick off lots of the big beasts in Surrey and have some spectacular gains. Worst of all the new Northern core will never materialise – the Labour vote is tribal. It’s a suicidal vote strategy. I’m beginning to think Dominic Cummings is a Lib Dem sleeper agent.”

BTW, yes US farmers do hormone free beef. Saw a docu on a farmer with four feedlots. Three were for the US market and the fourth, operated to EU Standards was going to The Netherlands.

54&56 wrote: »

I obviously disagree. Relative to BoJo, Steve Baker, Francois, Bridgen etc I think they have been exemplary.

I agree, they have done us proud against an army of numptees!

I've been keeping an eye on this thread for a while now, more as just a lurker.

I notice many here are hoping that if an election is called it may bring about another referendum.
But I don't think that another referendum would solve this brexit mess at all.
I just can't see any other outcome other than another majority for brexit.

The brexit crowd over there are treating this like a religion at this stage and you can guarantee that the vast majority of them would be out voting again on force in a 2nd referendum, its almost militant to them at this stage.

Where is all the opposition to brexit over there from remainers? I get the feeling that the turnout for remain voters would be a lot less. And it will end up just being a bigger margin for brexit in a second referendum leaving us all in the same mess we are at now.

brickster69 wrote: »

I never knew the US did hormone free beef. The guy said that the EU will be importing hormone free Beef

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1157354257689059331

Its not really a trade deal as such. The agreement is that the EU which accept 45,000 tons of hormone-free beef from 3rd countries each year, will give the US 35,000 tons of that quota. There won't be extra beef coming into the EU.

President Donald Trump just announced a new deal under which the EU will accept a high number of American beef exports, a move that will surely increase profits for US farmers and related industries. The EU will accept 45,000 tons of hormone-free beef from foreign countries every year, and America will be allowed to fulfill 35,000 tons of that quota after seven years — roughly 80 percent of the total.
The agreement was originally reached in June and approved by EU members in July. On Friday, US Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer and his European counterpart made the deal official.

https://www.vox.com/2019/8/2/20751769/us-eu-beef-trade-deal-trump

jm08 wrote: »

Its not really a trade deal as such. The agreement is that the EU which accept 45,000 tons of hormone-free beef from 3rd countries each year, will give the US 35,000 tons of that quota. There won't be extra beef coming into the EU.






https://www.vox.com/2019/8/2/20751769/us-eu-beef-trade-deal-trump

Does this exclude the amount allowed in from previous trade deals with, e.g. Canada?

Bit cynical wrote: »

I think it is important to remember that the Brexit side did win the referendum. Consequently there are not many that openly advocate a revocation of A50. Rather their tactic is to oppose any deal that might be done and then oppose leaving with no deal.

The UK has spent three years trying to implement the referendum result without success.

One wonders what it would take for the Brexit crowd to admit the thing they voted for was a disaster.

Enzokk wrote: »

Does this exclude the amount allowed in from previous trade deals with, e.g. Canada?

The 45.000 tons is a very small amount into a post Brexit - 450mill Single Market

Its 100 gram of beef per EU citizen per year.

The US has now 35.000 tons reserved out of the 45.000 tons.

Canada and Mercosur/Mercosul are no longer 3. countries after CETA and the new EU-Mercosur trade agreement has been signed.

Mercosur should get a 100.000 tons quota for beef (comments earlier in this thread)

But the history of the size of the 45.000 3. country quota or e.g. whether AR/BR/UY had their own quota or was included, is unknown to me.

I think, it is more interesting, who will have to share the just 10.000 tons beef, that remains of the 3. country quota.

Lars

Bit cynical wrote: »

Yes of course Brexit, particularly the no deal one it looks like we're heading towards, is going to be a disaster: a hard border in Ireland, problems exporting to the UK etc.

However, not really relevant to the question at hand though, in which a poster was wondering why remainers tended to be out of sight in the UK. The reason for this, I was suggesting, was that the referendum result, despite criticisms of Brexiteer methods, still carries a lot of political weight.

Remainer MPs in Westminster therefore tend to say that they are not going against the will of the people, but rather want to prevent a no deal brexit. These are usually the same ones that voted against the deal when it was presented to them.

There is a huge amount of denial and dishonesty going on. Nobody can admit that the voters might have made a mistake in 2016 or even allude to this. The mantra seems to be that if the electorate voted for it, then it must be a good idea as the public cannot possibly be wrong.

The fear seems to be of a voter backlash if they even dare go down this route. That is why all talk of revoking A50 has been banished : not because it would be a bad idea but the British public cannot be told they messed up.

jm08 wrote: »

Its not really a trade deal as such. The agreement is that the EU which accept 45,000 tons of hormone-free beef from 3rd countries each year, will give the US 35,000 tons of that quota. There won't be extra beef coming into the EU.






https://www.vox.com/2019/8/2/20751769/us-eu-beef-trade-deal-trump

Ahh ok that makes more sense now. Thanks for explaining that.