Trinity college do a deal with United Arab Emirates. UAE have death penalty for LGBT

the culture of deference · 01-08-2019 12:54PM #1

Trinity college management should hang their heads in shame. How can they recognise LGBT and then make a deal with these warlords.

As an alumni all I can say is shame on you

Provost of Trinity, Dr Patrick Prendergast, said:

This generous gift from the Al Maktoum Foundation comes at a vital moment in the history of Trinity College’s relationship with the Middle East, its peoples and its cultures. Continuing a long-established tradition of Middle Eastern studies in the history of Trinity College, this generous gift comes at a time when society in Ireland must seize the opportunity to enhance the role which all can play in a pluralistic society. Societal challenges created by multiculturalism also present unique opportunities for engagement and enrichment.

A strategic alliance has been established between Trinity College Dublin and the Al Maktoum College of Higher Education to enhance the development of Middle Eastern Studies in Ireland, and globally, through the establishment of a new Centre for Middle Eastern Studies at Trinity.

Article 354 of the Federal Penal Code of UAE states: "Whoever commits rape on a female or sodomy with a male shall be punished by death."

Article 177 of the Penal Code of Dubai imposes imprisonment of up to 10 years on consensual sodomy.

Mohammed bin Nukhaira Al Dhahiri, Minister of Justice, Islamic Affairs and Auqaf stated, "There will be no room for homosexual and queer acts in the UAE. Our society does not accept queer behaviour, either in word or in action"

https://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/trinity-establishes-al-maktoum-centre-for-middle-eastern-studies/

Thelonious Monk · 01-08-2019 12:59PM

Money trumps everything. See USA's recent 8 billion arms deal with the Saudis, who are wiping out 100s of thousands of poor Yemenis with these lovely toys.

the culture of deference · 01-08-2019 02:16PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Money trumps everything. See USA's recent 8 billion arms deal with the Saudis, who are wiping out 100s of thousands of poor Yemenis with these lovely toys.

Trump overruled congress on the sale.

In march 2019 some survivors of the September 11 attacks and the families of victims have accused the Saudi government of helping the hijackers launch the concurrent attacks in 2001.
They came to the New York court to demand the Saudi government cough up more information - specific documents that survivors of the attacks believe will shed new light on the hijackers.

JupiterKid · 01-08-2019 02:23PM

Also ashamed as a Trinity alumnus to learn of this.

Very cynical move by TCD...shows that money trumps ethics, especially in these days where the Third Level sector is starved of government funding and increasingly depends on the wealth donations of private benefactors.

If there is to be a protest about this - I'd like to take part.

Buford T Justice · 01-08-2019 02:28PM

Did we move to the UAE or something?

ToddyDoody · 01-08-2019 02:29PM

Trinners are winners.

Potential-Monke · 01-08-2019 02:31PM

Do people still not realise that money controls everything in this world?

gerrybbadd · 01-08-2019 02:31PM

Titlegore

Hector Savage · 01-08-2019 02:57PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

Also ashamed as a Trinity alumnus and learn of this.

Very cynical move by TCD...shows that money trumps ethics, especially in these days where the Third Level sector is starved of govt findong and increasingly depends on the wealth donations of private benefactors.

If there is to be a protest about this - I'd like to take part.

Yes, it's the same protest where they call anyone critisizing Islam as a far right nazi racist bigot that is literally Hitler.

Good bit of doublethink for the liberal lunatics.

RobbingBandit · 01-08-2019 02:59PM

New security for the campus The Police of Vice and Virtue

sabat · 01-08-2019 03:35PM

As an aside, all of those female Saudi students studying at Trinity, RCSI etc are required to have a male guardian here with them-ie they're not allowed come here to study alone (although some work around it tacitly). It's blatantly illegal for the colleges here to involve themselves in this discriminatory programme but money talks. In the case of Trinity, where the Law and Social studies/access departments seems to specialise in churning out gobby sanctimonious gravy-train riding quangistas the silence is especially hypocritical.

Harvey Weinstein · 01-08-2019 03:46PM

Might have something to do with this

“As numbers grow, universities are fearful that they will be put in a position where places for Irish students would have to be curtailed or replaced by higher fee-paying international students,”

the culture of deference · 01-08-2019 03:56PM

sabat wrote: »

As an aside, all of those female Saudi students studying at Trinity, RCSI etc are required to have a male guardian here with them-ie they're not allowed come here to study alone (although some work around it tacitly). It's blatantly illegal for the colleges here to involve themselves in this discriminatory programme but money talks. In the case of Trinity, where the Law and Social studies/access departments seems to specialise in churning out gobby sanctimonious gravy-train riding quangistas the silence is especially hypocritical.

Under Saudi law, all females must have a male guardian. Girls and women are forbidden from traveling, conducting official business, or undergoing certain medical procedures without permission from their male guardians.

In 2012, the Saudi Arabian government implemented a new policy to help with enforcement on the traveling restrictions for women. Under this new policy, Saudi Arabian men receive a text message on their mobile phones whenever a woman under their custody leaves the country, even if she is traveling with her guardian.

The committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice the Mutaween (religious police), will have agents in Ireland observing Saudi women. They have powers similar to the Saudi secret police (mabahith)

the culture of deference · 01-08-2019 04:00PM

RobbingBandit wrote: »

New security for the campus The Police of Vice and Virtue

nearly

It is the committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice the Mutaween. They will have agents all over the world.

(judean peoples front territory)

granturismo · 01-08-2019 04:00PM

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

Might have something to do with this

“As numbers grow, universities are fearful that they will be put in a position where places for Irish students would have to be curtailed or replaced by higher fee-paying international students,”

Play your race card somewhere else. That just sabre rattling from the IUA, a quango set up and funded by the Irish Universities to drone on about how little funding the universities get from the exchequer. This is a new low from the IUA and the presidents of the universities on €200K+ salaries.

The number of nonnational, nonresident students has increased over the past decade simply because all the third level colleges can charge them increased fees.

granturismo · 01-08-2019 04:08PM

None of the third level colleges have any qualms in dealing with China and have been doing so for years.

Don't UCD and MU have campuses in China?

JohnnyFlash · 01-08-2019 04:12PM

Students care more about banning Coca Cola and smoking from the campus than they do stuff like this. It’s slacktavism.

01-08-2019 04:19PM

Don't be fooled by the fact that academics tend to spend their time speaking out against social injustice and promoting diversity.

The people that run these places do not give a single f*ck about anything other than money.

suicide_circus · 01-08-2019 04:23PM

so are we going to see gay students given a hundred lashes on the cobbles of the front square?

sabat · 01-08-2019 04:26PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

so are we going to see gay students given a hundred lashes on the cobbles of the front square?

The S&M Soc. already did that for Freshers' Week.

Harry Palmr · 01-08-2019 04:27PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

so are we going to see gay students given a hundred lashes on the cobbles of the front square?

ooh matron!

Harry Palmr · 01-08-2019 04:28PM

Seriously though this is just the sort of crass money grubbing strategy that academic institutes will employ as long as education is so poorly funded by the state.

Christy42 · 01-08-2019 04:34PM

sabat wrote: »

As an aside, all of those female Saudi students studying at Trinity, RCSI etc are required to have a male guardian here with them-ie they're not allowed come here to study alone (although some work around it tacitly). It's blatantly illegal for the colleges here to involve themselves in this discriminatory programme but money talks. In the case of Trinity, where the Law and Social studies/access departments seems to specialise in churning out gobby sanctimonious gravy-train riding quangistas the silence is especially hypocritical.

Would you rather prevent them from leaving their own country to study? Because they are your two options from the University point of view. As you say this allows them at least a chance to get away from the harsh guardian laws a bit.

It is a Saudi point, Trinity/RCSI can't get rid of it. At best they can stop them coming over which does not seem like an improvement.

sabat · 01-08-2019 04:44PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Would you rather prevent them from leaving their own country to study? Because they are your two options from the University point of view. As you say this allows them at least a chance to get away from the harsh guardian laws a bit.

It is a Saudi point, Trinity/RCSI can't get rid of it. At best they can stop them coming over which does not seem like an improvement.

As I said, it's probably illegal for universities to participate in the programme at all, as long as it differentiates between male and female students. From the perspective of the rest of the country, they have effectively given the green light for Sharia law to apply on Irish soil, so for the greater good I would refuse to allow any Saudi students here until they change this requirement.

Balanadan · 01-08-2019 04:45PM

Thankfully, I had the intellectual capacity to decide not to attend Trinity.

Christy42 · 01-08-2019 04:54PM

sabat wrote: »

As I said, it's probably illegal for universities to participate in the programme at all, as long as it differentiates between male and female students. From the perspective of the rest of the country, they have effectively given the green light for Sharia law to apply on Irish soil, so for the greater good I would refuse to allow any Saudi students here until they change this requirement.

"Probably"? I doubt Trinity treats them differently. They will just happen to unenroll if a guardian is not coming over.

I am sure the regime will massively care that these women will not be educated or will be educated in a place their every move is tracked in Saudi (and we're they don't get exposed to Western idealologies). I am sure the women who no longer have access to the same foreign education the men can will also thank you for curtailing their options in life.

I get it, you hate the Saudi regime. They are utter scum but you are trying to engineer an outcome the regime would prefer (no contact with foreign liberal idealologies) and actively punishing the women already hurt by this regime. A high horse is not worth hurting innocents.

Amirani · 01-08-2019 05:02PM

It's a link with a university in the UAE, not some deal with the Government of the United Arab Emirates.

Are you going to level the same criticism at all the Irish teachers and nurses currently working in Dubai? Or anyone who gets a flight connection with Emirates or Ethiad on their trips to Australia or Thailand?

vriesmays · 01-08-2019 05:03PM

They also gave an award in 2017 to an historian who faked her relatives getting killed in the holocaust.

the culture of deference · 01-08-2019 05:08PM

vriesmays wrote: »

They also gave an award in 2017 to an historian who faked her relatives getting killed in the holocaust.

yes, then she killed herself

Harry Palmr · 01-08-2019 05:09PM

Amirani wrote: »

It's a link with a university in the UAE, not some deal with the Government of the United Arab Emirates.

Are you going to level the same criticism at all the Irish teachers and nurses currently working in Dubai? Or anyone who gets a flight connection with Emirates or Ethiad on their trips to Australia or Thailand?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_bin_Rashid_Al_Maktoum_Foundation

On May 19, 2007, Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Vice President and Prime Minister of the UAE and Ruler of Dubai, announced his plans to give 10 billion USD to set up the Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum Foundation, an educational foundation in the Middle East. This was one of the largest charitable donations in history.[1] Sheikh Mohammed stated that the money is meant to bridge the knowledge gap between the Arab region and the developed world,[2]

Richard Hillman · 01-08-2019 05:11PM

I'm sure they will be the first to tell us that Donald Trump is literally Hitler too, whilst taking the Emirati cash

Trinity college do a deal with United Arab Emirates. UAE have death penalty for LGBT

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