Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

An Claidheamh · 31-07-2019 11:17PM

54&56 wrote: »

You're not too up on current affairs there An Claidheamh, DOB sold out a few weeks ago and the SINDO is now owned by https://www.mediahuis.be.

Wow thank you, right you are.

Ben Done · 31-07-2019 11:23PM

If anyone wants to risk an aneurysm, the full Bruce Arnold article is published here:

https://twitter.com/James_T_Higgins/status/1156689006257721344/photo/1

Strazdas · 31-07-2019 11:29PM

lawred2 wrote: »

I hope it's up here soon. Would like to watch that.

Here's a slightly longer version where he talks about identity and the GFA :

https://twitter.com/nickhobson25/status/1156691301666041856

nc6000 · 31-07-2019 11:30PM

Yes, I think they said 500 million worth which would have gone to the EU and sold there without any problem.

Now they might freeze it only all the cold storage is full in the run up to Christmas but it might be possible to offload 2 percent for sale in Japan.

It's getting beyond a joke now at this stage.

Surely the farmers would prefer to have their lamb sold and actually consumed in the EU like it is now rather than almost all of it in storage before probably being made into dog food or disposed of.

Capt'n Midnight · 31-07-2019 11:30PM

This judgement may undermine some future legal challenges to Brexit as the courts can declare laws are broken but can't fix them because
Bill of Rights 1689 :rolleyes:

It was a case about how UK laws comply with the European Convention on Human Rights. (ECHR) It's a European Court of Human Rights thing not just an EU one.

Lack of data privacy is one of those things that the EU might decide does not meet Equivalence on EU Data Protection and so UK service companies may need work done by Boris & Co to sort out it in the new deal

UK High Court rules Snooper's Charter doesn't break Euro human rights laws

"The higher courts have the power to declare primary legislation to be incompatible with the Convention rights but they have no power to strike it down or disapply it."
...
The two judges also said that "requiring this Court to assess the quality of the reasoning given by ministers for what became the 2016 Act" was "not the proper functioning of the court", deciding to ignore all references to statements made by Conservative ministers in Parliament about what the act would and would not allow. This, they said in their judgment, was the right thing to do because the Bill of Rights 1689 states "proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court".

Strazdas · 31-07-2019 11:32PM

Ben Done wrote: »

If anyone wants to risk an aneurysm, the full Bruce Arnold article is published here:

https://twitter.com/James_T_Higgins/status/1156689006257721344/photo/1

He's trending on Twitter in Ireland btw!

I wonder if he fully thought through the consequences of writing such an article for that rag, given that he lives here

Stop moaning ffs · 31-07-2019 11:39PM

eagle eye wrote: »

There should be a vote on whether to stay or leave only.
Then if leave is the option there should be another one as to what's next.

You’re in another thread saying Northern Ireland should be given independence.
You said it seriously.

Please don’t expect anyone to take your nonsense seriously.
You can keep posting but be warned you’re for comedy at this stage.

Water John · 31-07-2019 11:39PM

I presume Bruce Arnold is quite old. Like Conor Cruise O'Brien before, nobody will be paying heed any more.

storker · 31-07-2019 11:39PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Here's a slightly longer version where he talks about identity and the GFA :

https://twitter.com/nickhobson25/status/1156691301666041856

1:46 if you listen carefully you can hear an almighty clang as a great big penny finally drops.

Capt'n Midnight · 31-07-2019 11:41PM

nc6000 wrote: »

Yes, I think they said 400 million worth which would have gone to the EU and sold there without any problem.

Now they might freeze it only all the cold storage is full in the run up to Christmas

Thanks to stockpiling for the original Brexit date most of the warehouses have been full for a while.

So there is no room for Christmas.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/21/uk-warehouse-space-nears-capacity-firms-stockpile-for-brexit

Three-quarters of UK warehouse owners say their space is full to capacity and storage costs have soared by up to 25% in the past three months after a surge in Brexit-related inquiries.

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Tesco has rented frozen food containers outside its largest stores for the rest of this year. It normally only uses the containers to cover high demand over Christmas.
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he said it was much more difficult for food companies to stockpile because of their products’ shorter shelf life and lower prices. “It costs the same price to store a pallet load of crisps as a pallet load of whisky,” he said.

That article is dated Nov 18, 2018 this lack of storage is not coming out of the blue. Lots of capital tied up.

Water John · 31-07-2019 11:46PM

Gove is probably the most able Minister in that new Cabinet, (wouldn't be hard for him), and that's the plan he managed to put together. It'll be some clusterf**k.

Lemming · 31-07-2019 11:48PM

20silkcut wrote: »

Ever try spending NI sterling notes on the mainland? a lot of places won’t accept it and most say wtf is that?? Very reluctantly might take it.
They’d trust euros ahead of NI sterling.

Coming in a bit late, given we've moved a fair few pages forward but a lot of shops [in England] - banks are grand - will look at a Scottish note sideways, never mind an NI or Bank of Ireland issued sterling note (yes they exist).

Inquitus · 31-07-2019 11:53PM

Lemming wrote: »

Coming in a bit late, given we've moved a fair few pages forward but a lot of shops [in England] - banks are grand - will look at a Scottish note sideways, never mind an NI or Bank of Ireland issued sterling note (yes they exist).

Yep had issues spending both Scottish and NI Notes in high street shops in the UK in the past.

briany · 31-07-2019 11:57PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Yep had issues spending both Scottish and NI Notes in high street shops in the UK in the past.

Should have kept the notes standardised throughout the UK.

Stop moaning ffs · 01-08-2019 12:00AM

You can call the manager in a shop or the bar in a pub in London or Manchester and they won’t take Scottish or Northern irish Sterling.
They don’t know the history they don’t know it’s proper currency
They will refuse every time in my own experience

tuxy · 01-08-2019 12:32AM

I once paid for the same round of drinks with a mix of Scottish,N. Ireland and Englush notes.
Now try spending an English £50 note in most shops and that causes more trouble as they usually get £20 from the ATM so don't see the £50 very often. It's too much money for a low level employee to risk.

BobbyBobberson · 01-08-2019 12:33AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00077j8

Posting off phone but above is link for Newsnight. Hopefully it works.

Edit: Turns out only works for those of us based in UK.

tuxy · 01-08-2019 12:40AM

BobbyBobberson wrote: »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00077j8

Posting off phone but above is link for Newnight. Hopefully it workd.

Why are you posting this?
"BBC iPlayer only works in the UK. Sorry"

allthedoyles · 01-08-2019 12:41AM

Water John wrote: »

I presume Bruce Arnold is quite old. Like Conor Cruise O'Brien before, nobody will be paying heed any more.

He's 82 . This is what Wiki says about him :

Bruce Arnold is an English journalist and author who has lived in Ireland since 1957.

He should have retired years ago as he has lost all sense of reality.

Despite residing in Ireland, he consistently degrades the country in favour of the UK.
Wikipedia

I remember he used write an article in the Independent once a week in the 80's and was a well known Fine Gael supporter at the time

BobbyBobberson · 01-08-2019 12:46AM

tuxy wrote: »

Why are you posting this?
"BBC iPlayer only works in the UK. Sorry"

Would you relax. I wasn’t sure would it work hence my comment, some BBC links do work abroad.

ThePanjandrum · 01-08-2019 12:57AM

Lemming wrote: »

Coming in a bit late, given we've moved a fair few pages forward but a lot of shops [in England] - banks are grand - will look at a Scottish note sideways, never mind an NI or Bank of Ireland issued sterling note (yes they exist).

The trouble is that neither Northern Irish nor Scottish notes are legal tender.

BobbyBobberson · 01-08-2019 12:58AM

Just watched the newsnight piece, he was excellent. Enjoyed the piece on identify.

tuxy · 01-08-2019 01:33AM

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

The trouble is that neither Northern Irish nor Scottish notes are legal tender.

Is that really much trouble when it's simple to exchange it for legal tender?

jimmycrackcorm · 01-08-2019 01:55AM

Theanswers wrote: »

I'm sure they might. But again it doesn't solve the point I raised which is that Amazon UK is about 3.5 times the size of the nearest Amazon EU marketplace (Germany) of which the majority of Amazon Germanys products are sold by UK companies using UK Fulfillment Centers. The product choice of Amazon Germany, France, Italy and Spain will reduce after brexit and have increased prices.

This coupled with the fact Irish consumers will have longer delivery times and incorrect EU plug sockets.

I really see both traditional and online shopping in Ireland become extremely uncompetitive coupled with poor consumer choices if brexit goes ahead.

If you look at bargain alerts here in boards you notice often that a lot of amazon bargains are better found from their EU sites. I think a lot of people here will switch Post brexit and put up with using Google translate. With customs checks on UK fulfilment, it'll become the born to use amazon Germany.

Peregrinus · 01-08-2019 02:04AM

Theanswers wrote: »

I'm sure they might. But again it doesn't solve the point I raised which is that Amazon UK is about 3.5 times the size of the nearest Amazon EU marketplace (Germany) of which the majority of Amazon Germanys products are sold by UK companies using UK Fulfillment Centers. The product choice of Amazon Germany, France, Italy and Spain will reduce after brexit and have increased prices.

This coupled with the fact Irish consumers will have longer delivery times and incorrect EU plug sockets.

I really see both traditional and online shopping in Ireland become extremely uncompetitive coupled with poor consumer choices if brexit goes ahead.

The amazon practice of using the UK as a base for filling orders to other EU countries is likely to change after Brexit - certainly after a no-deal Brexit. So Amazon UK may get smaller, and Amazon DE (or another EU-based Amazon site) get larger.

jimmycrackcorm · 01-08-2019 02:31AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Former editor of the Sun more than hinting at an organised press campaign against Ireland and suggests it will ramp up further.

https://twitter.com/davidyelland/status/1156607348477169664

This is Cummings work I imagine. Everyone on song.

They can try do their worst but even the most ardent English brexiteers will just say "give Ireland back to the Irish". It's happened more than once in the BBC TV debates.

Peregrinus · 01-08-2019 02:42AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

They can try do their wrist but even the most ardent enjoyable brexiteers . . .

Bloody autocorrect.

eagle eye · 01-08-2019 05:04AM

Stop moaning ffs wrote:

Youâ€™re in another thread saying Northern Ireland should be given independence. You said it seriously.

Am I saying something different now?
I said I'm against a UI. That doesn't mean NI doesn't have the right to look for it.

20silkcut · 01-08-2019 07:53AM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

You can call the manager in a shop or the bar in a pub in London or Manchester and they won’t take Scottish or Northern irish Sterling.
They don’t know the history they don’t know it’s proper currency
They will refuse every time in my own experience

Even though it is a trivial enough matter it Highlights the England first mentality of the United Kingdom in my opinion.
And symbolically flys in the face of unionist sensitivity to be equal to the mainland. Their loyal bank notes are not the equal of the mainland bank notes. I’m sure many of them have been put out by it. Imagine Arlene paying for her coffee in Westminster with her northern bank notes.

20silkcut · 01-08-2019 08:07AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

They can try do their worst but even the most ardent English brexiteers will just say "give Ireland back to the Irish". It's happened more than once in the BBC TV debates.

Didn’t Paul McCartney have a song about that one time. Such a simple solution why did no one ever think of that.

Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

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