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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭bottlebrush


    Why would he book flights and not a hotel? He could have booked and cancelled 24hrs beforehand on the likes of booking.com .... But eh then if you were still intending on travelling you'd still require the booking. It's very fishy!

    possibly a work related trip he was going on anyway?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,807 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    As others have alluded to, there is an intensity to you that could come across as quite cligy and even a little desperate or possessive particularly considering there was no actual relationship!

    From my own point of view, it would be an instant red flag if someone I had basically been on a date with and discussed seeing again had acted the way the OP did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Dublinmuppet


    banie01 wrote: »
    As others have alluded to, there is an intensity to you that could come across as quite cligy and even a little desperate or possessive particularly considering there was no actual relationship!

    From my own point of view, it would be an instant red flag if someone I had basically been on a date with and discussed seeing again had acted the way the OP did.

    All too intense. He is running scared. The OP might want to chill out and move on from this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭bitofabind


    OK. So based on the advice here I'm either desperate and clingy, or naive and wearing blinkers? So confusing. How am I coming across as intense and needy?

    It wasn't "just a kiss" either, this was six weeks of daily texts and phone calls, usually lasting longer than an hour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Dublinmuppet


    No one wants to shoot you down or upset you. You are coming across as a little intense but it’s hard to judge as we don’t know you. Obviously the guy was not the right fit for you. Distance and he has a lot of baggage so it makes things difficult. Kids always come first and I would drop a lover for my kids every time. We only know your side we don’t know his version. Just sit back don’t do the running and it will happen for you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭Calypso Realm


    bitofabind wrote: »
    OK. So based on the advice here I'm either desperate and clingy, or naive and wearing blinkers? So confusing. How am I coming across as intense and needy?
    .

    OP, I don't think you're needy, clingy or desperate. You had the disappointment of having your weekend plans cancelled at short notice in additon to the abrupt ending of something you thought was going somewhere. So understandably you're hurt and upset! So a lot to take in and deal with all at once. However I do think that level of daily contact was def too much too soon and something which is not sustainable in the long-run.

    I, for one, do believe something did actually happen which made him cancel his plans-the exact details of which or the true extent of he may not want to divulge to you. For instance, in the case of the son it's perfectly possible it's more serious than he relayed to you- there may be drugs involved, the son might have had a few prior run-ins with the law before etc etc.( I worked with a few like this who would leave at a critical time at the drop of a hat if something happened to one of their older kids.) So for those 'silent' days this was his main and only focus.

    Also, it's perfectly possible, although I wouldn't necessarily bank on it as only time will tell, when things have calmed down a bit and he's got time to reflect on recent events, he will be back in touch again! So in that case you have to think what you would want should that happen. However,not that I think you'd intend to, but do NOT on any account contact him at any point, whatever else you do!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    You live in different countries so its not real to him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭Augme


    bitofabind wrote: »
    I guess I'm wondering what I can do to protect myself from this happening again? And if there's something in my behaviour that might've caused this hot-and-coldness?


    You need to ask yourself why you are investing so much into guys you barely know? My guess is that you need to work on your own self esteem perhaps or not invest so much importance into finding someone.

    Can't ever imagine being in a situation where I spend all my time texting someone I barely know. I have other things Id rather do with my time. I don't think it's ever healthy for someone to be investing so much of their time texting a relative stranger. If someone was looking to text me all the time it would be a huge red flag for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭fallen01angel


    Hi OP,
    I genuinely feel for you,you got caught up in a moment and went with it,he said all the right things at the right time,you felt a v strong connection and you let your guard down and common sense be damned. It does happen,trust me you're not the first and you certainly won't be the last......and that's not a cliché.
    Here's the thing,not everyone has the same moral compass as you,I'm going to guess you're one of those "treat others as you would like them to treat you" kind of people,if you say it,you mean it,if you mean it you do it......(and that's certainly not a bad thing).
    But not everyone is like that. Sometime you have to stop,step back and look at it from the outside and be a little cynical.......think about it,if it was your best friend in that situation.......4 days of work,one brief kiss and he's all talk about visiting her town,doing a weekend in Spain .......then hits her with 5 days of radio silence because of his son getting into some trouble......what would you say/advise her?
    Brutal honesty,he was probably attracted to you,but the reality of distance hit him when he was back on home soil.......and he has taken the easy for him option. But your reaction is OTT. You mentally invested in this situation way too much too soon.My advice,delete any contact info you have for this guy and although a lot of people may roll their eyes at my next bit of advice,look into speaking to someone ,not because of this particular instance but because your self esteem seems to take such a negative impact from two rejections.Dating can be brutal,be it meeting online or through work or meeting out socially.......it's our reactions to it that make the difference, maybe talking to someone might help you see things from a different perspective.
    Wish you all the best.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    bitofabind wrote: »
    OK. So based on the advice here I'm either desperate and clingy, or naive and wearing blinkers? So confusing. How am I coming across as intense and needy?

    It wasn't "just a kiss" either, this was six weeks of daily texts and phone calls, usually lasting longer than an hour.

    I just said intense for the record. I mean I think a lot of people get the disappointment you have, but also there’s perspective that comes into play then that kind of lets you shrug that off. This kinda stuff happens a LOT in dating: you have a kiss and text for a short while, make plans, plans get randomly scuppered when nothing seems to have changed. You just have to drop all those notions that were coming into your head and have no idea why, it IS **** like. The thing is most people can just write this off and be grand by the next morning. Whereas you seem to have put a lot into this and are talking about it like it was a 6-month relationship. Stuff like “I didn’t think he was that kind of person” lacks the perspective that you didn’t know what kind of person he was at all.

    Your emotions are natural and you can’t control them, so don’t resist them or feel ashamed/foolish for having them. But at the same time try accept all of this, connect with it and ask yourself why you’re reacting this way and you’ll go far towards ensuring you don’t end up feeling this way again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭bitofabind


    leggo wrote: »
    The thing is most people can just write this off and be grand by the next morning.

    Can they? I'm genuinely curious as to whether that's the normal / healthy emotional response here. Disappointment but "ah well, sh1t happens". I don't seem to be able to have that perspective, and that coupled with the fact that it always seems to be guy losing interest / walking away from me rather than a mutual thing or my decision...makes me feel like it's my behaviour that's the culprit here. I obviously need to learn how to control my emotions better.

    I think it's because I'm in my 30s now and would love to meet someone, and because I don't use dating apps my experience is never that I'm casually dating a few people at one time, I'm pretty much focusing all my attention on one guy and obviously I get too invested too soon.

    To sound like a bit of an eejit, can anyone suggest HOW I can change my responses and behaviours here? For context, it's not like I'm chasing these guys and messaging/calling them night and day, I pretty much take their lead as far as communication goes, but I just always seem to let my guard down and end up in this same position every time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭Porklife


    bitofabind wrote: »
    Can they? I'm genuinely curious as to whether that's the normal / healthy emotional response here. Disappointment but "ah well, sh1t happens". I don't seem to be able to have that perspective, and that coupled with the fact that it always seems to be guy losing interest / walking away from me rather than a mutual thing or my decision...makes me feel like it's my behaviour that's the culprit here. I obviously need to learn how to control my emotions better.

    I think it's because I'm in my 30s now and would love to meet someone, and because I don't use dating apps my experience is never that I'm casually dating a few people at one time, I'm pretty much focusing all my attention on one guy and obviously I get too invested too soon.

    To sound like a bit of an eejit, can anyone suggest HOW I can change my responses and behaviours here? For context, it's not like I'm chasing these guys and messaging/calling them night and day, I pretty much take their lead as far as communication goes, but I just always seem to let my guard down and end up in this same position every time.

    You seem absolutely lovely OP! Don't be so hard on yourself. In this instance it was his behaviour that was ****ty and not yours, you didn't do anything wrong.
    Of course you'd love to meet someone. I completely understand, I'm in the same boat. Chin up though sweetheart, this will pass.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Hi OP

    This is all a bit bizarre in my mind anyway.

    Few questions to help me understand this

    Have you been in many previous relationships?
    Is it you think you are in last chance saloon relationship/kids wise?
    Do you honestly think a long long distance relationship was/is going to work?
    Do you think this guy thinks you're a bit nuts?
    Do you not have real friends to ask for advice instead of posting to strangers on the net where you will get 50 different answers?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭Porklife


    Hi OP

    This is all a bit bizarre in my mind anyway.

    Few questions to help me understand this

    Have you been in many previous relationships?
    Is it you think you are in last chance saloon relationship/kids wise?
    Do you honestly think a long long distance relationship was/is going to work?
    Do you think this guy thinks you're a bit nuts?
    Do you not have real friends to ask for advice instead of posting to strangers on the net where you will get 50 different answers?

    Why would he think she's nuts? Isn't the purpose of this forum to post anonymously to get objective opinions, the opposite of asking your friends?
    Really mean and unhelpful post tbh.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Porklife wrote: »
    Why would he think she's nuts? Isn't the purpose of this forum to post anonymously to get objective opinions, the opposite of asking your friends?
    Really mean and unhelpful post tbh.

    Honestly, this all smacks of desperation. I'm sorry i had to spell this out but i'm sure other people here are thinking the same thing.

    They have had 5 odd days of actual interaction, one kiss and the poor girl seems to be heartbroken


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭Porklife


    Honestly, this all smacks of desperation. I'm sorry i had to spell this out but i'm sure other people here are thinking the same thing.

    They have had 5 odd days of actual interaction, one kiss and the poor girl seems to be heartbroken

    That's actually a fair point. I guess she just really really wants to meet someone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Have you any hobbies, OP? What fills your down time?

    I've noticed, through my own experience and watching friends, that those who have full lives hobbies etc, are less impacted when things don't work out and are less likely to lose the run of themselves. They are their number one priority and they won't be cancelling or rearranging hobbies or anything else for anyone. They live very full lives and any potential partner slots in to that life without becoming the focal point.

    I'd recommend taking a step back from dating and, as corny as it might sound, fall in love with yourself and your life. Be so happy with the life you have that Mr Man is a welcome addition, but not the main attraction. And I'd say that for both men and women.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭bitofabind


    Have you been in many previous relationships?
    I've had one long term one that ended 2 years ago.

    Is it you think you are in last chance saloon relationship/kids wise?
    Maybe? My age does play on my mind a bit, but it's not a conscious thought I'm having when I meet someone new. I'm undecided about whether i want kids or not.

    Do you honestly think a long long distance relationship was/is going to work?
    I didn't think that far ahead to be honest. I just wanted to get to know the guy as he seemed to want to do the same with me. I took a chance and agreed to meet him in Spain, my only expectations there were that we'd meet and get to spend some time getting to know each other better.

    Do you think this guy thinks you're a bit nuts?
    I'm not happy with the way it ended. I think "nuts" is a bit unfair, but I'm wondering now if I took things too far with him and I'm a bit embarrassed about opening up about how I felt and how that might've come across. He responded so harshly.

    Do you not have real friends to ask for advice instead of posting to strangers on the net where you will get 50 different answers?
    Yes I do and yes I have. They actually advised me to be honest with him and thought he acted like a dick. They can't believe he cancelled in the way that he did. They're my friends so they would say that though, so I came here to get a different perspective. Isn't that what this forum is about?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    bitofabind wrote: »
    Have you been in many previous relationships?
    I've had one long term one that ended 2 years ago.

    Is it you think you are in last chance saloon relationship/kids wise?
    Maybe? My age does play on my mind a bit, but it's not a conscious thought I'm having when I meet someone new. I'm undecided about whether i want kids or not.

    Do you honestly think a long long distance relationship was/is going to work?
    I didn't think that far ahead to be honest. I just wanted to get to know the guy as he seemed to want to do the same with me. I took a chance and agreed to meet him in Spain, my only expectations there were that we'd meet and get to spend some time getting to know each other better.

    Do you think this guy thinks you're a bit nuts?
    I'm not happy with the way it ended. I think "nuts" is a bit unfair, but I'm wondering now if I took things too far with him and I'm a bit embarrassed about opening up about how I felt and how that might've come across. He responded so harshly.

    Do you not have real friends to ask for advice instead of posting to strangers on the net where you will get 50 different answers?
    Yes I do and yes I have. They actually advised me to be honest with him and thought he acted like a dick. They can't believe he cancelled in the way that he did. They're my friends so they would say that though, so I came here to get a different perspective. Isn't that what this forum is about?

    OK so based on your answers you come across as relatively normal. But honestly, this one's a dead duck. Move on. Don't waste any more energy. He's not interested.

    On your last point, i would not use a forum for relationship advice as you will get answers that will make you doubt yourself even more.

    Best of luck for the future and i hope you find what you are looking for


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,407 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    bitofabind wrote: »
    Yeah he was pretty OTT, I know you're right I guess I just got carried away as I liked him so much. We talked or texted every single day until recently.

    Anything is possible of course, but I don't want to believe he had no intention on meeting me in Spain, he had his flight booked etc.

    OP trips to Spain from America don't just happen at the drop of a hat. If he had booked to go to Spain it would probably have come up in conversation, now I assume you were operating on the basis that he had booked, but realistically it was probably an ego boost for him. You met him and ye got on grand, and he might have genuinely liked you, but the reality of him living in America and you over here meant that it was unlikely to get going as a real prospect. Texts and online chat etc are grand but there's no real investment there when he's only met you once. My guess is that he realised you were seriously going to go to Spain and rather than say he was stringing you along, you got a spiel about a house party and then he cut contact.


    He knows he can't continue having contact if you are going to push to meet up so he's nipped it in the bud.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    OP trips to Spain from America don't just happen at the drop of a hat. If he had booked to go to Spain it would probably have come up in conversation, now I assume you were operating on the basis that he had booked, but realistically it was probably an ego boost for him. You met him and ye got on grand, and he might have genuinely liked you, but the reality of him living in America and you over here meant that it was unlikely to get going as a real prospect. Texts and online chat etc are grand but there's no real investment there when he's only met you once. My guess is that he realised you were seriously going to go to Spain and rather than say he was stringing you along, you got a spiel about a house party and then he cut contact.


    He knows he can't continue having contact if you are going to push to meet up so he's nipped it in the bud.


    I would listen to this OP.

    Online things can be a pastime for people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    I'd be wary of people who are that full on at the start OP. Talking about taking transatlantic trips to see you, long phone calls every day, putting you on Skype with his kids (jesus like) etc. Sure these people might be genuine, but there are a lot of people who are addicted to the rush and fantasy of that sort of thing and have zero intention of following through on anything. And they're very good at appearing genuine. That level of investment in and of itself is something that should make you cautious. It doesn't have to mean you call things off or anything, just mind your heart and don't pour it all into a situation until there's some walk to go with the talk. You're a sincere, heart on your sleeve kind of person and that's great but it makes you a soft mark for people like that.

    Let's assume his story is true, I think that message from you was a bit much. You were still in the bubble the two of ye had made with each other and were thinking he'd treated you badly, he'd had his real life come crashing in and pop that bubble and got angry with you for acting like that romantic fun fantasy stuff was still what was going on. Ye were looking at the situation from two completely perspectives and how could ye not be, ye barely knew each other.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,662 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    bitofabind wrote: »

    I didn't think that far ahead to be honest. I just wanted to get to know the guy as he seemed to want to do the same with me. I took a chance and agreed to meet him in Spain, my only expectations there were that we'd meet and get to spend some time getting to know each other better.

    I wonder if this is quite telling. You say you didn’t think ahead re: the long distance aspect, but you thought ahead enough to feel that there was potential for a relationship, and you opened up to him a lot on the basis of that. It seems like you only thought with your heart and not with your head, and I think that’s what’s generally coming across in your posts.

    You asked about how to make changes - I think trying to engage the logical part of your brain over the emotional part of your brain would help. Asking yourself things like, does this level of intensity (from either of you) seem appropriate? Is too much happening too fast? Are you getting too invested? Are you being promised more than a typical person could promise? Does this have any logical future potential?

    Using logic, we’d probably say that a Europe-USA relationship is unlikely to work. We’d probably say that promising to fly to Spain to meet you is more than a typical guy would do. Texting and Skyping all day every day for weeks without having any physical relationship is unusual.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭bottlebrush


    But Her friends didn't advise her- they just agreed with her that he was a dick, and she came on here looking for a different perspective i.e. is there something she said or did to cause him to end it so abruptly. And it's easy to say that friends should be advising her - in my experience, friends are unlikely to want to burst your bubble.. Why would they - long distance relationships work out all the time.

    OP - you say that HE instigated the whole trip was was doing the pursuing, it is also up to you to set the pace of how things are going. Were you glued to your phone waiting for his texts and phone calls and responding straightaway? (I realise the time difference may be a factor here). I don't for minute condone playing hard to get, but did you continue your life as normal over the six weeks or put everything on hold in case you didn't miss a text or phone call? You see, this could come across as clingy, even though you are only responding to him.

    Above all, your text to him after the 5 days of silence "I was pretty disappointed to not have heard from him and he hadn't made me feel great this week" rings big alarm bells. Now you are telling him that your happiness depends on him. Very scary - for him. When you look back over your previous communications with him, you might find that elements of your way of thinking might have come across to him and he just decided to run for the hills.

    Of course, it may have been nothing to do with you at all and all to do with his personal situation, but if abrupt break-ups have been a pattern in the past, then the key is not to build up your expectations, chill out, don't let your emotions over-ride common sense - think about it - you met a stranger at a conference and agreed to meet him in Spain six weeks later. And here's a question - lets say one of your friends suggested to you to go to Spain with her at such short notice - i.e. would you have done the same for somebody you know for years?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    lets say one of your friends suggested to you to go to Spain with her at such short notice - i.e. would you have done the same for somebody you know for years?
    I have and I would.

    But maybe not with someone online though dangerous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭bitofabind


    Thanks guys. I really do appreciate the advice. I'm all about the self-improvement these days and I'd been doing a bit of counselling recently, this is definitely something I need to bring up there as well.

    There probably are some underlying self-esteem issues at play, but deep down I know I'm a good person with a lot to offer - and I'm not bad on the eye either! :pac: so I really don't want to be letting myself down with behaviours that are fundamentally changeable.

    I'm half thinking now that for the sake of my own self-respect and the chance that I may meet this guy or his colleagues at future events (which is quite likely), that I should send a light-hearted text apologising in a few days? The more I think about it all, the more I'm kind of cringing, but at the same time I know that he did let me down, I'd just hate the idea that anyone in my work life would think I'm unstable or something!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    bitofabind wrote: »
    Thanks guys. I really do appreciate the advice. I'm all about the self-improvement these days and I'd been doing a bit of counselling recently, this is definitely something I need to bring up there as well.

    There probably are some underlying self-esteem issues at play, but deep down I know I'm a good person with a lot to offer - and I'm not bad on the eye either! :pac: so I really don't want to be letting myself down with behaviours that are fundamentally changeable.

    I'm half thinking now that for the sake of my own self-respect and the chance that I may meet this guy or his colleagues at future events (which is quite likely), that I should send a light-hearted text apologising in a few days? The more I think about it all, the more I'm kind of cringing, but at the same time I know that he did let me down, I'd just hate the idea that anyone would think I'm unstable or something!

    Send him a pic of you in your scanties and say "This is what you could have won"

    Please don't do this though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭bitofabind


    Send him a pic of you in your scanties and say "This is what you could have won"

    Please don't do this though

    Hahahaha. "This is what happens when you mess with Crazy" :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭bottlebrush


    bitofabind wrote: »
    Thanks guys. I really do appreciate the advice. I'm all about the self-improvement these days and I'd been doing a bit of counselling recently, this is definitely something I need to bring up there as well.

    There probably are some underlying self-esteem issues at play, but deep down I know I'm a good person with a lot to offer - and I'm not bad on the eye either! :pac: so I really don't want to be letting myself down with behaviours that are fundamentally changeable.

    I'm half thinking now that for the sake of my own self-respect and the chance that I may meet this guy or his colleagues at future events (which is quite likely), that I should send a light-hearted text apologising in a few days? The more I think about it all, the more I'm kind of cringing, but at the same time I know that he did let me down, I'd just hate the idea that anyone in my work life would think I'm unstable or something!

    do you think he is feeling any remorse for arranging a weekend away then cancelling at the last minute and having you down the price of your flights? what would his colleagues think of that? unless you hold out some glimmer of hope of rekindling this relationship if you apologise? sending an apology smacks of submissiveness. as for meeting him again at another conference, cross that bridge when you come to it at which point you will be more emotionally detached.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭Calypso Realm


    bitofabind wrote: »
    I'm half thinking now that for the sake of my own self-respect and the chance that I may meet this guy or his colleagues at future events (which is quite likely), that I should send a light-hearted text apologising in a few days? The more I think about it all, the more I'm kind of cringing, but at the same time I know that he did let me down, I'd just hate the idea that anyone in my work life would think I'm unstable or something!

    Why on earth would be think you're unstable? Please do not sent that text-it will come across as grovelling and a bit desperate. Since he was the one to cut you off, it's up to him to contact you first. Not clear what you intend apologizing for but what you say would largely depend on what exactly he says and how repentent he is!! Do rem as well he's in exactly the same position as you in terms of your work situation!


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