Women and Astrology, psychics etc.

ILoveYourVibes · 29-07-2019 05:59PM

FFred wrote: »

Computer says no.

But humans say yes!

Hobosan · 29-07-2019 06:02PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its really surprising though people take offense and start insulting people for their spiritual beliefs.

Its kind of the first sign of discrimination.

What's wrong with discrimination?

- "The recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another."

kikilarue2 · 29-07-2019 06:02PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its really surprising though people take offense and start insulting people for their spiritual beliefs.

Its kind of the first sign of discrimination.

I get it tbh.

I used to be kind of similar; refused to believe anything that wasn't irrefutably proven by science and would have judged those who did in the same way that people are here.

In my mid-20s, I made a conscious decision to try and become more open minded. I realised that wonderful as science is, there is far more to the world than what can be proven in a lab.

I don't believe in any kind of sentient God that has a plan for us, but I do believe human beings are all interconnected in one way or another. And I believe it's possible that some people are more aware of and attuned to those connections.

Getting angry that someone holds an essentially harmless belief that you don't is silly.

ILoveYourVibes · 29-07-2019 06:05PM

Hobosan wrote: »

What's wrong with discrimination?

:rolleyes:

skooterblue2 · 29-07-2019 06:06PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

My swamp donkey on an ex-wife used to visit psychics a lot.

Sure sign of an insecure person.

ILoveYourVibes · 29-07-2019 06:06PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

Getting angry that someone holds an essentially harmless belief that you don't is silly.

atheists that don't bother me ..i don't bother them

ILoveYourVibes · 29-07-2019 06:09PM

Its not like i ever go up to atheists and say OMG hey let me do your birthchart!

kikilarue2 · 29-07-2019 06:09PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Sure sign of an insecure person.

Saying awful things about your ex on the internet?

Yeah, I thought so too.

skooterblue2 · 29-07-2019 06:11PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

Saying awful things about your ex on the internet?

Yeah, I thought so too.

I said nothing about my ex. Most of my Ex girlfriends were great girls.

kikilarue2 · 29-07-2019 06:12PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I said nothing about my ex. Most of my Ex girlfriends were great girls.

I was talking about young Johnny Flash.

mcmoustache · 29-07-2019 06:14PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Less men into it than women but I have come across some men who are into it.

The person most into it that I know is a guy although it's definitely dominated by women more generally as can be seen by where marketers channel their efforts - women's talk shows and magazines etc.

I think men prefer different types of nonsense like flat earth stuff and conspiracy theories. It's probably a similar motivation behind it - knowing that there's an agency in control and maybe feeling privileged to know something that those "stupid experts" and "sheeple" are missing out on.

skooterblue2 · 29-07-2019 06:15PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

I was talking about young Johnny Flash.

No I am agreeing with Johnny Flash if you need to spend €60 a pop on a psychic a month to tell you what you want to hear, it means you are insecure. Secure people dont need psychics because they are busy doing what they want to be doing.

ILoveYourVibes · 29-07-2019 06:15PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

I was talking about young Johnny Flash.

I so want to say 'maybe she was a swamp donkey.' :pac:

Cuz i am evil.:D

I know that is so so wrong though!

kikilarue2 · 29-07-2019 06:18PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

No I am agreeing with Johnny Flash if you need to spend €60 a pop on a psychic a month to tell you what you want to hear, it means you are insecure. Secure people dont need psychics because they are busy doing what they want to be doing.

Yup, I got what you were saying but thanks for over-explaining it for me

I think it also says something about a person's level of insecurity if they feel the need to be mean about their ex on the internet.

Know what I mean?

skooterblue2 · 29-07-2019 06:26PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

............. something about a person's level of insecurity if they feel the need to be mean about their ex on the internet.

Know what I mean?

No but it does show a show a high level of frustration. Possibly because she completely head wrecker. Either way we can agree both are in a better place

Deja Boo · 29-07-2019 06:33PM

Now this is the type of question they should really have on dating sites, "how would you describe your ex?" is much more revealing about your character than "what's your sign?"

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

My swamp donkey on an ex-wife used to visit psychics a lot. Funny they weren’t able to tell her that I was ending the marriage and moving out for the good of my sanity and happiness.

SWIPE LEFT! :eek:

mikhail · 29-07-2019 08:03PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

I don't believe in any kind of sentient God that has a plan for us, but I do believe human beings are all interconnected in one way or another. And I believe it's possible that some people are more aware of and attuned to those connections.

Getting angry that someone holds an essentially harmless belief that you don't is silly.

If we were interconnected in some way, we would be able to measure that connection. We haven't. It doesn't exist. It's exactly the sort of fantastical thinking that leads people to conclude that vaccines must do all sorts of horrible things that mysteriously don't appear to make any difference at all when someone gives half a million people the vaccine and half a million no vaccine. It's faulty thinking that in fact does a great deal of harm. No one's angry. We just have no respect for your belief. We don't owe it any respect. It's bollocks.

29-07-2019 08:08PM

A woman I worked with was telling me about a run of luck her husband had the last few weeks..got 6 points (stopped twice)..car broke down..and he jumped into a pool with his phone in his pocket..I was just thinking..bad Mercury retrograde..

kikilarue2 · 29-07-2019 08:10PM

mikhail wrote: »

If we were interconnected in some way, we would be able to measure that connection. We haven't. It doesn't exist. It's exactly the sort of fantastical thinking that leads people to conclude that vaccines must do all sorts of horrible things that mysteriously don't appear to make any difference at all when someone gives half a million people the vaccine and half a million no vaccine. It's faulty thinking that in fact does a great deal of harm. No one's angry. We just have no respect for your belief. We don't owe it any respect. It's bollocks.

How can you be absolutely certain the device that measures such interconnectedness accurately isn't going to be invented in 2022?

As per my example of meditation, there was no evidence for it until one day there was. And lots of people just like you thought any benefits people thought they were getting from it was BS up until that point.

But the benefits of meditation existed for millennia before proof of them did.

kikilarue2 · 29-07-2019 08:14PM

mikhail wrote: »

If we were interconnected in some way, we would be able to measure that connection. We haven't. It doesn't exist. It's exactly the sort of fantastical thinking that leads people to conclude that vaccines must do all sorts of horrible things that mysteriously don't appear to make any difference at all when someone gives half a million people the vaccine and half a million no vaccine. It's faulty thinking that in fact does a great deal of harm. No one's angry. We just have no respect for your belief. We don't owe it any respect. It's bollocks.

Also, by that logic you'd have a machine that could measure all kinds of other feelings/senses like how much one person loves another, or how guilty a criminal feels for his or her crimes.

But we don't say love and guilt don't exist because they can't be measured in a lab.

wiggle16 · 29-07-2019 08:15PM

Cassidy Crashing Denim wrote: »

I'd leave off tinder til Thursday mate.

Mercury's in retrograde.

:pac: :pac: :pac:

Charmeleon · 29-07-2019 08:35PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

Also, by that logic you'd have a machine that could measure all kinds of other feelings/senses like how much one person loves another, or how guilty a criminal feels for his or her crimes.

But we don't say love and guilt don't exist because they can't be measured in a lab.

If we were all interconnected we wouldn’t have evolved to have spoken languages that take 6 years or so to learn fully. Evolution takes the most efficient route. If our brain could communicate using ESP or see things without using the eyes we would now be like walking pupae.

kikilarue2 · 29-07-2019 08:40PM

Charmeleon wrote: »

If we were all interconnected we wouldn’t have evolved to have spoken languages that take 6 years or so to learn fully. Evolution takes the most efficient route. If our brain could communicate using ESP or see things without using the eyes we would now be like walking pupae.

Evolution left us with an appendix, it's not perfect.

And I meant interconnected in a more spiritual sense rather than ESP.

29-07-2019 08:41PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

But we don't say love and guilt don't exist because they can't be measured in a lab.

Would you also like us to respect Scientology, a made up religion created by a science fiction writer who said he was going to invent a religion just because 1,000s of people profess faith in it. You know, because meditation.

branie2 · 29-07-2019 08:44PM

I don't believe in it.

Gregor Samsa · 29-07-2019 08:45PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

Also, by that logic you'd have a machine that could measure all kinds of other feelings/senses like how much one person loves another, or how guilty a criminal feels for his or her crimes.

But we don't say love and guilt don't exist because they can't be measured in a lab.

These things can be measured, though. Or at least the physiological origins of the emotions can objectively observed, through the likes of MRI, measurement of neurological activity, brain chemistry, hormone release, etc.

My contention would be that if we were all interconnected in any way, there would be some way of objectively observing both the effect and the means by which the interconnectivity occurs. Of course, potentially the technique may not be discovered yet. But that in itself is not a limitation of the concept of science, but merely the application of it. That said, it’s my opinion that it’s not enough to say “well, we don’t know that it’s not true” in order to believe in something. Evidence counts, and I’m certainly willing - indeed duty bound - to change my beliefs when the evidence demands it. But not before.

kikilarue2 · 29-07-2019 08:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Would you also like us to respect Scientology, a made up religion created by a science fiction writer who said he was going to invent a religion just because 1,000s of people profess faith in it. You know, because meditation.

I'm not asking you to respect or believe anything. At this point I'm largely playing devil's advocate, because with the exception of phutyle you guys are making some pretty illogical points, which is pretty bizarre considering you have the whole of science on your side.

Charmeleon · 29-07-2019 08:46PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

Evolution left us with an appendix, it's not perfect.

And I meant interconnected in a more spiritual sense rather than ESP.

Evolution hasn’t really left us with an appendix, we are still evolving. It’s easy to think of ourselves as finished products.

Spiritual is still supernatural, just like ESP, psychics, tarot etc.

kikilarue2 · 29-07-2019 08:54PM

phutyle wrote: »

My contention would be that if we were all interconnected in any way, there would be some way of objectively observing both the effect and the means by which the interconnectivity occurs. Of course, potentially the technique may not be discovered yet. But that in itself is not a limitation of the concept of science, but merely the application of it. That said, it’s my opinion that it’s not enough to say “well, we don’t know that it’s not true” in order to believe in something. Evidence counts, and I’m willing to change my beliefs when the evidence demands it. But not before.

Oh, I'm totally with you there. Bear in mind, I think science is incredible!

Ultimately, if you believe (as I did for many years) that there is no such thing as a spiritual plane or continuum that we are a part of then of course this will all seem like poppycock.

If you think of humans as highly developed forms of animals, the kind of thinking I'm talking about will never appeal to you or convince you and that's absolutely fine.

Because much as I'm talking about the idea that this stuff might become measurable in the future, it's equally - perhaps signficantly more - likely that it will never be in any way measurable.

And if you believe something is only real if it's measurable, then what I'm saying will never make sense to you.

But my happiness is real and my love is real and my pain is real - and I can't measure any of those things. My sense of interconnectedness is much less tangible, even to me, so I don't expect you to understand it.

29-07-2019 08:54PM

Walking Wounded wrote: »

Men who act all arrogant about astrology, and the paranormal in general, are shooting themselves in the foot.

There's nothing attractive about thrashing someone's beliefs.

What? This isn't tinder?

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