RTE Investigates programme on greyhound racing industry

Muahahaha · 25-07-2019 06:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you a link for this?

Surprised you havent heard of it Maryanne, its all happening up the road from you in Limerick

Anyway here you go
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/leading-sports-figure-arrested-in-probe-into-garda-corruption-38287178.html

A leading sports figure is the latest suspect to be arrested in a long-running probe into Garda corruption.

A source told the Irish Independent last night that the man arrested is believed to be "the link man" at the centre of the investigation.

"This man was arrested because he is being suspected of being the link - the conduit - between the criminal gangs and a detective who was leaking the information," a senior source said.

The unprecedented investigation has already led to the arrests and suspensions of a Garda superintendent, inspector and an experienced detective. Yesterday it emerged that a well-known figure in the sporting world had been arrested as part of the undercover probe. The suspect in his 50s was questioned for a number of hours at Tipperary Town garda station on Thursday after being arrested by detectives from the Garda National Bureau of Criminal Investigation (GNBCI).

It is understood that the sports figure has connections to a number of crime gangs including mobsters linked to Anthony Kelly, of Kilrush, Co Clare, who was previously cleared of the murder of innocent bouncer Brian Fitzgerald.

He settled with the Criminal Assets Bureau in 1997 for a six-figure sum relating to his earnings from drug trafficking. In February 1984 he was convicted of living off the earnings of prostitution.

Its a nice cosy little story involving corruption and bribery of senior Gardai, cocaine trafficking, a traveler crime gang and now a well known greyhound trainer.

25-07-2019 07:01PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Surprised you havent heard of it Maryanne, its all happening up the road from you in Limerick

Anyway here you go
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/leading-sports-figure-arrested-in-probe-into-garda-corruption-38287178.html

Its a nice cosy little story involving corruption and bribery of senior Gardai, cocaine trafficking, a traveler crime gang and now a well known greyhound trainer.

No greyhound trainer mentioned.

jackboy · 25-07-2019 07:39PM

Discodog wrote: »

Not here they haven't. The, so good, good owners have been accused of, at very least, turning a blind eye.

No they have been accused of far, far worse in this thread. They have been described in the most extreme language.

Muahahaha · 25-07-2019 08:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No greyhound trainer mentioned.

Oh its a greyhound trainer involved alright, I have it on good authority from a source down your way who knows whats going on in the greyhound industry. Like I said Im surprised you havent heard of this, given that you live in the locality and are involved in greyhound racing. Are you being obtuse?

25-07-2019 08:39PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Oh its a greyhound trainer involved alright, I have it on good authority from a source down your way who knows whats going on in the greyhound industry. Like I said Im surprised you havent heard of this, given that you live in the locality and are involved in greyhound racing. Are you being obtuse?

Careful, now. Insult my pastime but not me.

Muahahaha · 25-07-2019 09:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Careful, now. Insult my pastime but not me.

No need to be such a snowflake. All I'm saying is a nationally known greyhound trainer has been arrested in your area and am wondering why you don't know about it. Everyone in Limerick and Tipperary is talking about it so I thought you would know about it from your posts on here and involvement in the greyhound industry. So it surprises me that you don't know about this pretty big piece of news involving a famous greyhound trainer who acted as a middleman between corrupt senior Gardai and a traveler crime gang.

If you didnt know about it fair enough. But Im not from the area and nor am I involved in greyhounds yet I know about it and who he is. Just surprises me that you don't, thats all.

mikeym · 25-07-2019 10:03PM

One of the hottest days in the Uk today and despite warnings from Animal charities greyhounds were raced today.

https://www.league.org.uk/news/concerns-for-racing-greyhounds?fbclid=IwAR2g7GI22Ez6iDYOhGzPex5jnSgNpH-yvp_ny4cE-jooUSz_ZUWr-SBqaVo

But greyhound owners are fantastic people.

But greyhound owners are in it for the pastime.

The dogs got a bowl of water after the race.

All useless excuses.

Those people in the UK who are connected to greyhound racing industry should be ashamed of themselves.

25-07-2019 10:04PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Careful, now. Insult my pastime but not me.

You’ve called every other poster here, that disagrees with you, gullible.

You’re hardly in a position to warn people not to insult you.

mikeym · 25-07-2019 10:06PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

No need to be such a snowflake. All I'm saying is a nationally known greyhound trainer has been arrested in your area and am wondering why you don't know about it. Everyone in Limerick and Tipperary is talking about it so I thought you would know about it from your posts on here and involvement in the greyhound industry. So it surprises me that you don't know about this pretty big piece of news involving a famous greyhound trainer who acted as a middleman between corrupt senior Gardai and a traveler crime gang.

If you didnt know about it fair enough. But Im not from the area and nor am I involved in greyhounds yet I know about it and who he is. Just surprises me that you don't, thats all.

Ignorance is bliss.

25-07-2019 10:07PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

No need to be such a snowflake. All I'm saying is a nationally known greyhound trainer has been arrested in your area and am wondering why you don't know about it. Everyone in Limerick and Tipperary is talking about it so I thought you would know about it from your posts on here and involvement in the greyhound industry. So it surprises me that you don't know about this pretty big piece of news involving a famous greyhound trainer who acted as a middleman between corrupt senior Gardai and a traveler crime gang.

If you didnt know about it fair enough. But Im not from the area and nor am I involved in greyhounds yet I know about it and who he is. Just surprises me that you don't, thats all.

I’m from Clonmel. Not Tipperary/Limerick. The person hasn’t been named, no I would imagine that speculation might be seen as against Boards rules.

In all walks of life, there are rogues. That doesn’t make us all so. Don’t paint us all with the same brush. Learn about us. Don’t rely on the prejudices of others.
Do you really want to see greyhounds wiped off the face of the earth? Learn for yourself. Don’t really on the views of others.
It’s been a long hard day. I’m off to the land of nod. Please, please, don’t let others make your mind up for you. Think for yourself. Greyhounds are bred to race. Not to be lapdogs. Night, night.
I haven’t heard any names mentioned.

mikeym · 25-07-2019 10:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m from Clonmel. Not Tipperary/Limerick. The person hasn’t been named, no I would imagine that speculation might be seen as against Boards rules.

In all walks of life, there are rogues. That doesn’t make us all so. Don’t paint us all with the same brush. Learn about us. Don’t rely on the prejudices of others.
Do you really want to see greyhounds wiped off the face of the earth? Learn for yourself. Don’t really on the views of others.
It’s been a long hard day. I’m off to the land of nod. Please, please, don’t let others make your mind up for you. Think for yourself. Greyhounds are bred to race. Not to be lapdogs. Night, night.
I haven’t heard any names mentioned.

Wrong greyhounds can make great pets!!!!!

Not commodities.

Here is a link to a site if your bothered.

https://grai.ie/greyhounds-as-pets/

25-07-2019 10:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You’ve called every other poster here, that disagrees with you, gullible.

You’re hardly in a position to warn people not to insult you.

Not really. I’ve called people who don’t make their own minds up gullible. Believing what a TV program says, without hearing both sides is not very mature. But it’s the way those who are against something work. Show something sensational, whether it’s true or not and sit back.

25-07-2019 10:19PM

mikeym wrote: »

Wrong greyhounds can make great pets!!!!!

Not commodities.

Here is a link to a site if your bothered.

https://grai.ie/greyhounds-as-pets/

I already know that greyhounds make great pets. Thanks anyway.

gozunda · 25-07-2019 10:22PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yes, a Garda Superintendent and Inspector have already been arrested and now a well known greyhound trainer is a suspect in involvement and has been arrested and questioned too.

And sorry dont accuse me of whataboutery when you're the main proponent of it on this thread. Lots of your posts are 'what about pets' why aren't people complaining about them. The topic of this thread is greyhounds and greyhound racing, not other dogs, not cats, not cows and not fish. Your whataboutery is plastered all over this thread in an attempt to derail it and its long since gotten tiresome to read.

So provide a proper link if your story of alleged corrutpt garda etc has any relevance to this thread whatsoever

The thread is Greyhounds and greyhounds are dogs as much as certain factions would like to ignore that fact.

25-07-2019 10:24PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not really. I’ve called people who don’t make their own minds up gullible. Believing what a TV program says, without hearing both sides is not very mature. But it’s the way those who are against something work. Show something sensational, whether it’s true or not and sit back.

Of course people on this thread have experience of the industry and strongly object to it.

You’d be gullible and possibly disingenuous to say different.

CiarraiAbu2 · 25-07-2019 10:24PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Oh its a greyhound trainer involved alright, I have it on good authority from a source down your way who knows whats going on in the greyhound industry. Like I said Im surprised you havent heard of this, given that you live in the locality and are involved in greyhound racing. Are you being obtuse?

To be honest I haven't heard anything about it either.

klaaaz · 25-07-2019 10:36PM

gozunda wrote: »

So porovide a proper link if your story of alleged corrutpt garda etc has any relevance whatsoever

The thread is about dogs. Greyhounds are dogs as much as certain factions would like to ignore that fact.

That greyhound trainer wasn't named as it's an ongoing serious crime investigation. You'll be shocked when the case gets to court when he's named.

Greyhounds are classified as farm animals unlike every other dog breed, greyhounds are not dogs according to the dept of Agriculture!

Snugglebunnies · 25-07-2019 10:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Igotadose wrote: »

And, the IGB has announced how they're going to enforce this - surprise visits to kennels, phone-in numbers for Vets in case they come across an un-tattooed dogs, and penalties like loss of license (assuming one needs a license to train & race greyhounds), correct? Are those regulations online somewhere?

You keep on about untattooed greyhounds. If it’s not tattooed, it’s not able to run. Who in their right minds would spend thousands breeding greyhounds that will never be able to run? ALL greyhounds are tattooed, microchipped and their parents DNA registered. The rules andu regulations are on the breeding papers along with colour inheritance etc.

All breeders are subject to unannounced spot checks.

I've seen untattooed greyhounds. Ones that were runts of litters, born deformed or received injuries as small pups so we're never tattooed as they would never race. They're still greyhounds born to greyhound parents.

You seem to be in the business can you tell me what the IGB provide to rescues who rehome greyhounds for them and what the greyhound owner themselves provide to the rescue rehoming their dog?

gozunda · 25-07-2019 10:41PM

mikeym wrote: »

Wrong greyhounds can make great pets!!!!!Not commodities.
Here is a link to a site if your bothered.
https://grai.ie/greyhounds-as-pets/

That's funny. The Irish greyhound trust in conjunction with Bord na Gcon have a good rehoming operation for ex racers. Thankfully ex racing greyhounds are becoming more popular as pets. I met some of the greyhounds at an agricultural show. All ex racers which I met were all wonderfully looked after and happy out.

http://www.irgt.ie

But of course none of that suits the usual rant from the ban brigade ... :rolleyes:

gozunda · 25-07-2019 10:50PM

klaaaz wrote: »

That greyhound trainer wasn't named as it's an ongoing serious crime investigation. You'll be shocked when the case gets to court when he's named.

Greyhounds are classified as farm animals unlike every other dog breed, greyhounds are not dogs according to the dept of Agriculture!

I always find it useful to read of the sites ToU tbh. Plus dragging in any old story to throw ****e is a fairly good example of how low this thread has now gone tbh.

As to the highlighted bit - various posters have been making that claim. And other posters have disputed it btw. I have also asked for a proper link to the relevant legislation. None of which is evident so far. Funny that.

25-07-2019 10:51PM

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

I've seen untattooed greyhounds. Ones that were runts of litters, born deformed or received injuries as small pups so we're never tattooed as they would never race. They're still greyhounds born to greyhound parents.

You seem to be in the business can you tell me what the IGB provide to rescues who rehome greyhounds for them and what the greyhound owner themselves provide to the rescue rehoming their dog?

The IGB provide the “rescues” with money.

Any dog that doesn’t have a tattoo and microchip is a lurcher.

klaaaz · 25-07-2019 10:53PM

gozunda wrote: »

That's funny. The Irish greyhound trust in conjunction with Bord na Gcon have a good rehoming operation for ex racers. Thankfully ex racing greyhounds are becoming more popular as pets. I met some of the greyhounds at an agricultural show. All ex racers which I met were all wonderfully looked after and happy out.

http://www.irgt.ie

But of course none of that suits the usual rant from the ban brigade ... :rolleyes:

That's some of the winning dogs. The losing dogs which are the many are slaughtered for being too slow to win a race. They also die en masse on dog tracks when they get injured, the greyhound racing owners choose the selfish option of killing rather than rehabilitate.

gozunda · 25-07-2019 10:59PM

klaaaz wrote: »

That's some of the winning dogs. The losing dogs which are the many are slaughtered for being too slow to win a race. They also die en masse on dog tracks when they get injured, the greyhound racing owners choose the selfish option of killing rather than rehabilitate.

Nope. Incorrect. The dogs I met were from a variety of ages. Some had retired due to reasons other than being 'winning dogs' (sic). But none of that suits the ban brigades usual spiel.

Tbh Its good that ex greyhounds are now more popular as pets. Thankfully the hard work of this group is now paying off and they have an increasing number of people looking to take retired dogs. Like any dog breed sadly sometimes dogs do have to be put to sleep. And no I'm not including the small number of rogue dog owners out there. But go ahead use hyperbole and throw ****e at all greyhound owners. The quoted bit is a good example of that type of rubbish tbh.

Snugglebunnies · 25-07-2019 11:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

I've seen untattooed greyhounds. Ones that were runts of litters, born deformed or received injuries as small pups so we're never tattooed as they would never race. They're still greyhounds born to greyhound parents.

You seem to be in the business can you tell me what the IGB provide to rescues who rehome greyhounds for them and what the greyhound owner themselves provide to the rescue rehoming their dog?

The IGB provide the “rescues” with money.

Any dog that doesn’t have a tattoo and microchip is a lurcher.

They are known as lurcher but a true lurcher is a greyhound cross, they are still genetically greyhounds.

How much money per greyhound? Why did you put rescues on inverted commas?

Choc Chip · 26-07-2019 06:48AM

gozunda wrote: »

As to the highlighted bit - various posters have been making that claim. And other posters have disputed it btw. I have also asked for a proper link to the relevant legislation. None of which is evident so far. Funny that.

... you thanked my post #1817 where i included the link to the legislation i think people are referring to?

Discodog · 26-07-2019 07:51AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The IGB provide the “rescues” with money.

Any dog that doesn’t have a tattoo and microchip is a lurcher.

A massive €50 per dog.

This is a very serious lie & I have already pointed it out. A Lurcher is a mixed breed, part of which is a Greyhound. If you don't know this then you are clearly not as well informed as you claim.

Here's the Kennel Club standard for a Greyhound - no mention of tattoos or microchips.

https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/services/public/breed/standard.aspx?id=1019

A tattoo or microchip don't mysteriously turn one ancient breed of dog into another.

This lie is used, by the IGB, to disown all the poor dogs that don't get chipped & deny any responsibility for their welfare.

Discodog · 26-07-2019 07:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Greyhounds are bred to race. Not to be lapdogs. Night, night.
I haven’t heard any names mentioned.

Deleted User wrote: »

I already know that greyhounds make great pets. Thanks anyway.

Make your mind up.

Discodog · 26-07-2019 08:05AM

gozunda wrote: »

That's funny. The Irish greyhound trust in conjunction with Bord na Gcon have a good rehoming operation for ex racers. Thankfully ex racing greyhounds are becoming more popular as pets. I met some of the greyhounds at an agricultural show. All ex racers which I met were all wonderfully looked after and happy out.

http://www.irgt.ie

But of course none of that suits the usual rant from the ban brigade ... :rolleyes:

They rehome 500 per year - based on the past 10 years. A tiny drop in the ocean.

They pay a paltry €50 per dog & the vast percentage of the rehoming cost is paid by rescues that are always short of money & rely on donations.

Discodog · 26-07-2019 08:09AM

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. Incorrect. The dogs I met were from a variety of ages. Some had retired due to reasons other than being 'winning dogs' (sic). But none of that suits the ban brigades usual spiel.

Tbh Its good that ex greyhounds are now more popular as pets. Thankfully the hard work of this group is now paying off and they have an increasing number of people looking to take retired dogs. Like any dog breed sadly sometimes dogs do have to be put to sleep. And no I'm not including the small number of rogue dog owners out there. But go ahead use hyperbole and throw ****e at all greyhound owners. The quoted bit is a good example of that type of rubbish tbh.

Pet owners don't kill their dog because it's too slow or injured or unwanted.

Pet owners don't kill healthy dogs by the thousand.

Many pet owners take out Vet insurance to ensure that their pets get the best medical care.

You suggest that the IGB are the only ones rehoming Greyhounds. Rescues have been doing this for decades & most get nothing from the IGB.

xckjoo · 26-07-2019 08:43AM

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

They are known as lurcher but a true lurcher is a greyhound cross, they are still genetically greyhounds.

How much money per greyhound? Why did you put rescues on inverted commas?

Is this some kind of shorthand within the greyhound racing industry here? Because to everyone else, a lurcher is basically a mongrel sighthound (sighthound mixed with anything else). It's worrying if they only consider a dog a greyhound when they are "on the books".

Those commas would have been better placed around "money"

RTE Investigates programme on greyhound racing industry

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