Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

Shelga · 25-07-2019 02:39PM

Good points made about the logical solution being a return to the NI-only backstop, and throwing the DUP under the bus. If Boris even tries this though, can the DUP withdraw their support immediately and collapse the government, forcing a GE? Would they actually do this, knowing they would be waving goodbye to the only real power they've had in decades?

There are so many iterations for how this could all go, my head is fried with it all.

Stop moaning ffs · 25-07-2019 02:39PM

Nody wrote: »

Qouted so it can be reposted once the crash out has happened to show the expectations vs. reality coming crashing in at the time. I've heard many various brexiteers making predictions on this thread; some more realistic than others but this one is so far out the left field it's worth saving for history.

The poster seems to ignore the fact that once the border goes up there will be many shots fired and sooner rather than later.
Then an inevitable bomb going off in London planted by some IRA wanna be group.
Not advocating for that but it would slap some focus into minds and send us down a far darker path. Or bring about a UI possibly.

jimmycrackcorm · 25-07-2019 02:42PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

In the meantime, the Irish Governments low key border enforcement wont piss anyone off.
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What will happen is that in November, the brits will just say: look, the border isn't an issue after all

Stop moaning ffs · 25-07-2019 02:42PM

Shelga wrote: »

Good points made about the logical solution being a return to the NI-only backstop, and throwing the DUP under the bus. If Boris even tries this though, can the DUP withdraw their support immediately and collapse the government, forcing a GE? Would they actually do this, knowing they would be waving goodbye to the only real power they've had in decades?

There are so many iterations for how this could all go, my head is fried with it all.

The chatter seems to be that the election is to ultimately get rid of the need for DUP support and kill the brexit party.
Even a brief glance on twitter you’ll see unionists up north saying they know they’re about to get sold up the river by Johnson in order to get brexit. just a matter of when.

For Forks Sake · 25-07-2019 02:46PM

https://twitter.com/rowlsmanthorpe/status/1154153775541751810

Not even remotely surprising.
And just like the 2016 referendum campaign, there will be plenty of willing idiots only too glad to offer up their data.

J Mysterio · 25-07-2019 02:46PM

You can enjoy Boris' opening statement as PM here, including his comments on the backstop.

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/05844a50-a0d9-4d16-bd19-e9e3df717acb?in=11:32:08&out=11:49:00

Professor Moriarty · 25-07-2019 02:49PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rowlsmanthorpe/status/1154153775541751810

Not even remotely surprising.
And just like the 2016 referendum campaign, there will be plenty of willing idiots only too glad to offer up their data.

Like Johnson gives a crap about what some randomer on a council estate in Leeds thinks. Laughable. What's even more laughable is the pledge for more money for the NHS after Brexit. Fool me once...

Rjd2 · 25-07-2019 03:21PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

The problem is that, in contrast, Corbyn looks and sounds like a burnt out geography teacher.

A reminder of the bad old days when he used to struggle with Cameron.

Its impossible to predict what will happen with most confidence, but think the election which is coming and tbf to Boris he is correct to prepare for,,,will end with up with Lib Dems been king makers.

They will go into Government with Labour but probably will demand that Corbyn steps down and I think he will....ignore the vocal Corybn disciples online, majority of Labour voters want Brexit defeated and Corbyn been hopeless means no deal is very much on. This is not 2017 where he rocked up to Glastonbury and got a great reception,,,the sitting on the fence act doesn't work anymore.

Starmer seems to be doing well in recent member polls, he'd be very acceptable to the Lib Dems, heck he'd probably be a much more formidable opponent for Boris than Jez.

trellheim · 25-07-2019 03:28PM

EU27 diplomats have received a note from @MichelBarnier saying that @BorisJohnson’;s demand to eliminate the backstop is unacceptable, that his speech today was “combative” and that the UK’s increased preps for No Deal are designed to crack unity of the EU.

https://twitter.com/adamfleming/status/1154389502208729094

Apparently they could not even ring Juncker last night as they got the timezone wrong. Again though nothing happens by chance in any of this - not even Williamson being rehired as Education secretary.

Strazdas · 25-07-2019 03:35PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rowlsmanthorpe/status/1154153775541751810

Not even remotely surprising.
And just like the 2016 referendum campaign, there will be plenty of willing idiots only too glad to offer up their data.

I suspect Dominic Cummings is behind all this.

Cameron's former adviser was on Newsnight last night and he reckons Cummings is pulling all Johnson's strings and told him to sack most of May's cabinet.

Stop moaning ffs · 25-07-2019 03:37PM

Surprised at junker using language like ‘designed to crack the unity of the eu’

That’ll be seen and exploited by the Brits as weakness and they’re about to cave.

Sam Russell · 25-07-2019 03:40PM

I think Baldrick's Boris Johnson's cunning plan is so obvious that it is no longer cunning.

No point in sneaking up on the enemy in full view.

kunst nugget · 25-07-2019 03:46PM

trellheim wrote: »

https://twitter.com/adamfleming/status/1154389502208729094

Apparently they could not even ring Juncker last night as they got the timezone wrong. Again though nothing happens by chance in any of this - not even Williamson being rehired as Education secretary.

Jesus, the replies under that tweet are crazy - We've got them now!!! Watch those snowflakes melt! etc...

lawred2 · 25-07-2019 03:49PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Surprised at junker using language like ‘designed to crack the unity of the eu’

That’ll be seen and exploited by the Brits as weakness and they’re about to cave.

how - it reads more to me like a roll of the eyes - sort of a check out their latest plan lads!?

theguzman · 25-07-2019 03:53PM

trellheim wrote: »

https://twitter.com/adamfleming/status/1154389502208729094

Apparently they could not even ring Juncker last night as they got the timezone wrong. Again though nothing happens by chance in any of this - not even Williamson being rehired as Education secretary.

As Juncker is an alcoholic would there be any point in calling him from late afternoon on?

lawred2 · 25-07-2019 03:55PM

bottom of the barrel has been well and truly reached

Quin_Dub · 25-07-2019 03:57PM

theguzman wrote: »

As Juncker is an alcoholic would there be any point in calling him from late afternoon on?

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BobbyBobberson · 25-07-2019 03:57PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Jesus, the replies under that tweet are crazy - We've got them now!!! Watch those snowflakes melt! etc...

Not sure which one comes up first for you but my one is some lad who has posted two pics, one of a knight and the flag in the background.

So strange the mentality that surrounds lots of the brexiteers. Many seem to be those who just need to feel part of something.

mrbrianj · 25-07-2019 04:06PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

What will happen is that in November, the brits will just say: look, the border isn't an issue after all

Yes, Its something we probably don't grasp - to them (in england) the border is just not their problem - its just something, somewhere else that they dont really understand. They dont care if it works or not.

If only it wasnt for the pesky DUP & the rest of the Murphys....

Stop moaning ffs · 25-07-2019 04:11PM

mrbrianj wrote: »

Yes, Its something we probably don't grasp - to them (in england) the border is just not their problem - its just something, somewhere else that they dont really understand. They dont care if it works or not.

If only it wasnt for the pesky DUP & the rest of the Murphys....

Andy then they go ‘hang. Those pesky DUP are right here’

And they then neuter them politically and Arlene sails back into irrelevance

FrancieBrady · 25-07-2019 04:30PM

trellheim wrote: »

https://twitter.com/adamfleming/status/1154389502208729094

Apparently they could not even ring Juncker last night as they got the timezone wrong. Again though nothing happens by chance in any of this - not even Williamson being rehired as Education secretary.

Are we reading the shrill death rattle of the Brexiteer movement in those replies? The overwhelming sense reading them is that they know that Boris is a futile but valiant two fingers to the EU.

Zubeneschamali · 25-07-2019 04:33PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

What will happen is that in November, the brits will just say: look, the border isn't an issue after all

The British border in Ireland will be very small beer beside the catastrophe at the English Channel ports.

Strazdas · 25-07-2019 04:34PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Jesus, the replies under that tweet are crazy - We've got them now!!! Watch those snowflakes melt! etc...

I find it interesting too to see that the Brexit Party types have welcomed Johnson and his cabinet with open arms. The two are completely interchangeable, there are not even slight differences.

Stop moaning ffs · 25-07-2019 04:41PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I find it interesting too to see that the Brexit Party types have welcomed Johnson and his cabinet with open arms. The two are completely interchangeable, there are not even slight differences.

Been listening to farage on LBC last few days and at trumps suggestion at a rally, he’s making very public overtones and flirting suggesting he’d be open to joining the Tories in coalition to deliver brexit

Imagine that actually happened. Brexit can always get worse is all we have learned so it’s possible no matter how unlikely

Shelga · 25-07-2019 04:45PM

How can the Brexit Party enter into any kind of coalition with the Tories, they have no MPs!

beggars_bush · 25-07-2019 05:10PM

Shelga wrote: »

How can the Brexit Party enter into any kind of coalition with the Tories, they have no MPs!

It's the sort of make believe politics that is upon us

MadYaker · 25-07-2019 05:12PM

Rjd2 wrote: »

A reminder of the bad old days when he used to struggle with Cameron.

Its impossible to predict what will happen with most confidence, but think the election which is coming and tbf to Boris he is correct to prepare for,,,will end with up with Lib Dems been king makers.

They will go into Government with Labour but probably will demand that Corbyn steps down and I think he will....ignore the vocal Corybn disciples online, majority of Labour voters want Brexit defeated and Corbyn been hopeless means no deal is very much on. This is not 2017 where he rocked up to Glastonbury and got a great reception,,,the sitting on the fence act doesn't work anymore.

Starmer seems to be doing well in recent member polls, he'd be very acceptable to the Lib Dems, heck he'd probably be a much more formidable opponent for Boris than Jez.

Gonna come back to this, could be spot on

cml387 · 25-07-2019 05:15PM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Interesting theory on UK Gov tactics:

https://twitter.com/syrpis/status/1154286327699005440

That is the best description of Boris' tactics I've seen It makes sense, and it will work if Cunnings's tactics are allowed to work again.

Given the sh!tshow that was the Remain campaign last time, the Tories will get a majority and then God help us all. I must say i've never been so pessimistic about the future of us, our relationship with the UK and the future of the EU as a concept.

Bit cynical · 25-07-2019 05:15PM

Shelga wrote: »

How can the Brexit Party enter into any kind of coalition with the Tories, they have no MPs!

They could be made peers, e.g. Lord Nigel, then they could accept cabinet positions. Unlikely but that is how it might be done.

MrMusician18 · 25-07-2019 05:23PM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Interesting theory on UK Gov tactics:

https://twitter.com/syrpis/status/1154286327699005440

It's an interesting theory and I think he's right. Johnson wants to provoke a GE but not call it himself. He wants his own solid majority to anchor himself in power for the next 5 years.

The problem with this is it means backtracking on his do or die promise and furthermore doesn't resolve Brexit.

Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

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