Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

Stop moaning ffs · 24-07-2019 07:03PM

I’m in no universe a Leo fan but I loved his multiple killing blows on Johnson’s speech.

Joe_ Public · 24-07-2019 07:03PM

Struggling to understand how appointing a no deal cabinet affects the chances of it happening one way or another. Surrounding himself with toadying lackeys might bump up the can do spirit and vim and vigour of cabinet meetings, but it doesn't bring the prospects of a deal or ultimately leaving with no deal any closer than they already are imo. He's made a few people very happy, cheesed off a lot more, but none of these are going to be the ones deciding the issue anyway. Its the Ken Clarkes and Justine Greenings of the house who are going to hold the balance of power on brexit, nothing Johnson does today or tomorrow changes that.

robinph · 24-07-2019 07:04PM

Duane Dibbley wrote: »

robinph wrote: »

Nah, happy for brexiteers to own their own mess (although they will obviously blame the EU for their incompetence). As far as getting anything agreed by parliament or not the members of the cabinet doesn't really change anything, if anything then a full brexit cabinet makes agreement from parliament less likely.

They will simply run down the clock now leaving no time for elections.

I can’t see Boris asking for extensions even if requested by Parliament

But if Parliament demands and extension an Boris won't request it, then parliament can trigger an election just the same.

Even if that all happens on 31st October such that there isn't time for the letter requesting the extension to make it to Brussels I can't see the EU not being sympathetic towards parliament and allowing the extension despite the exact correct things being done in the exact right order.

Headshot · 24-07-2019 07:07PM

I'm happy he's picked a No Deal cabinet, when they fail it will be glorious sight.

I found it ironic as well that Boris wanted to bring his party together but he's made it worse with his cabinet picks.

It's also quite scary to see Dominic Raab as foreign secretary, the man is clueless

jmayo · 24-07-2019 07:09PM

briany wrote: »

What I'm reading is that Corbyn plans to wait until after the Summer recess, but it's too late either way. Labour getting in at this stage just puts them in a Karl Donitz type situation.

Yep one of the the shadow cabinet last night claimed they can't move until September as no hope of winning confidence vote?

VinLieger wrote: »

Like its a rousing enthusiastic speech but honestly how the hell is he honestly telling people that its possible to pay for all he has just announced

Well he is fan of old Winston and maybe he reckons he can do a modern lend/lease arrangement with Trump.
For the life of me not sure what he has to offer:rolleyes:

J Mysterio wrote: »

Expect it will be quite bland, but hopefully Leo adds a dose of reality to the carnival.

I always watch Coveney for the real message.

BobbyBobberson wrote: »

Raab in as foreign secretary according to some on twitter. The guy who struggled with the location of france and accused the taoiseach of leaking material.

Jaysus Raab and Patel.

And we laugh at our ones.

Inquitus · 24-07-2019 07:09PM

What a cabinet, it's a who's who of the most despicable elements of the Tory party, at least the elements that could be considered for a cabinet position, the Marc Francois of this world aside.

Itssoeasy · 24-07-2019 07:09PM

Just reading an alert from sky news about a sky data poll. People are "pessimistic about future under boris Johnson but prefer him over Jeremy Corbyn." So given that boris Johnson isn't a member of Mensa and bad enough, how bloody bad do people think Corbyn is ? That has to sting the Labour Party.

Duane Dibbley · 24-07-2019 07:10PM

robinph wrote: »

But if Parliament demands and extension an Boris won't request it, then parliament can trigger an election just the same.

Even if that all happens on 31st October such that there isn't time for the letter requesting the extension to make it to Brussels I can't see the EU not being sympathetic towards parliament and allowing the extension despite the exact correct things being done in the exact right order.

But who does anyone approach. Only the PM can request an extension and the EU accepts it Or the EU requests an extension and the PM would except it.

Even if there is an Election called. Won’t Boris be PM until he is either re-elected or replaced.

dublinman1990 · 24-07-2019 07:11PM

If Rees-Mogg became Brexit Secretary. What would be the people's response from here?

Joe_ Public · 24-07-2019 07:13PM

Duane Dibbley wrote: »

But who does anyone approach. Only the PM can request an extension and the EU accepts it Or the EU requests an extension and the PM would except it.

Even if there is an Election called. Won’t Boris be PM until he is either re-elected or replaced.

I think the situation if parliament voted for an extension, like it did back in march, it would be on the basis that they would then take Johnson down if he refused and a new pm would then come in who would request the extension or there might be some alternative way. I dont think he could seriously refuse parliament anyway given its sovereign role in the UK's democracy.

Itssoeasy · 24-07-2019 07:13PM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

If Rees-Mogg became Brexit Secretary. What would be the people's response from here?

Make sure I wasn't watching an episode of spitting image.

gooch2k9 · 24-07-2019 07:14PM

It's fairly obvious to anyone that Corbyn is the issue for Labour at the minute. Why is his leadership going unchallenged? Do the Labour membership think he is the best man for the job even though he's electorally toxic as proven by the polls.

Itssoeasy · 24-07-2019 07:15PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Duane Dibbley wrote: »

But who does anyone approach. Only the PM can request an extension and the EU accepts it Or the EU requests an extension and the PM would except it.

Even if there is an Election called. Won’t Boris be PM until he is either re-elected or replaced.

I think the situation if parliament voted for an extension, like it did back in march, it would be on the basis that they would then take Johnson down if he refused and a new pmwould then come in who would request the extension or there might be some alternative way. I dont think he could seriously refuse parliament anyway given its sovereign role in the UK's democracy.

So 2019 in UK prime ministers could be like 1978 in popes ?

J Mysterio · 24-07-2019 07:15PM

BobbyBobberson wrote: »

Raab in as foreign secretary according to some on twitter. The guy who struggled with the location of france and accused the taoiseach of leaking material.

Unbelievable. Not much more to add then that. The lad is absolutely hopeless.

FrancieBrady · 24-07-2019 07:16PM

Villiers going into No.10...return trip to Belfast?

gooch2k9 · 24-07-2019 07:16PM

Barclay has kept Brexit secretary job.

Itssoeasy · 24-07-2019 07:17PM

gooch2k9 wrote: »

It's fairly obvious to anyone that Corbyn is the issue for Labour at the minute. Why is his leadership going unchallenged? Do the Labour membership think he is the best man for the job even though he's electorally toxic as proven by the polls.

From memory the Labour Party membership backed him big time the last time out. I think it was a lot of young members who for whatever reason see him as a potential future prime minister.

For Forks Sake · 24-07-2019 07:19PM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

If Rees-Mogg became Brexit Secretary. What would be the people's response from here?

Raucous laughter.

Itssoeasy · 24-07-2019 07:19PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Pretti Patel as home secretary should scare everyone. As a rule strong and certainly stable personalities are chosen for such a tricky and at times febrile job. She is certainly an outlier.

Pretti Patel ? Was that the minister who had people checking flight radar to track her plane because she said or did something stupid ?

devnull · 24-07-2019 07:20PM

Raab has now effectively conceded that politics of division will continue until they deliver Brexit then all must come together

"The most important thing is to get us out of the EU by the end of October - preferably with a deal...

"We must get some finality to this Brexit process.

"Once we've done that we can then unite the government and the country around the aspirations and priorities that the PM set out on the steps of Downing Street."

Professor Moriarty · 24-07-2019 07:22PM

Apart from being a Brexiteer cabinet, this is also a very right wing cabinet.

Joe_ Public · 24-07-2019 07:25PM

"A charlatan," says Dominic Grieve of his new party leader and PM. Haven't heard him speak that badly of Jeremy Corbyn, not as of yet at least.

BobbyBobberson · 24-07-2019 07:25PM

Raab handling the Iran crisis? Imagine working in the FCO, you got rid of Boris (finally) some stability with Hunt and then you see this lad come through the door.

J Mysterio · 24-07-2019 07:25PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Pretti Patel ? Was that the minister who had people checking flight radar to track her plane because she said or did something stupid ?

She went to and held meetings with Israeli government officials - representing the UK - without anyone's say so or consent.

Headshot · 24-07-2019 07:27PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

"A charlatan," says Dominic Grieve of his new party leader and PM. Haven't heard him speak that badly of Jeremy Corbyn, not as of yet at least.

Ya Grieve went to town on Boris, ripping into him

A great watch

Harry Palmr · 24-07-2019 07:31PM

Who is playing that xylofoam? Is that Tubular Bells opening refrain?

J Mysterio · 24-07-2019 07:33PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Apart from being a Brexiteer cabinet, this is also a very right wing cabinet.

Head line and blurb on UK Independent:

Priti Patel: The controversial right-wing Conservative becomes home secretary

Right-wing Leave campaigner who was accused of running her own foreign policy in the Middle East when minister

It is very right wing thus far, and full of imbeciles, failures, and liars. The worst hits of Brexit essentially.

Watching Sky News with the weird music and EU backdrop is bloody surreal. Brexit, The UK, the UK government and media is all bloody surreal right now, it's like being on acid. Mental.

Headshot · 24-07-2019 07:33PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Who is playing that xylofoam?

I did love the Mario tune during Dominic Grieve interview otherwise it's ****ing annoying

ambro25 · 24-07-2019 07:34PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Raucous laughter.

I'm already dying of laughter after Raab here, so if JRM makes the list -and as Brexit Sec no less- have some pity because I'm going to need stitches!

I mean, you guys are really good, but you just gotta hand it to the Brits: no-one, but no-one, does humour like they do!

A new word must be invented soon, for parody-beating reality. All those "looking glass" and "postmodern" expressions just do not do justice to the surreal character of it all.

FrancieBrady · 24-07-2019 07:34PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Who is playing that xylofoam? Is that Tubular Bells opening refrain?

I wish Sky would at least explain what it is.

Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

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