Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

GM228 · 21-07-2019 01:00PM

As already stated 757s don't have a fuel dump system and don't require one.

Many planes don't have fuel dump systems (A320, A330 etc) so long as certain performance requirements are met.

A fuel dump system is not required if climb requirements (for all engines running and also one engine failure) at maximum takeoff weight, less the actual or computed weight of fuel necessary for a 15-minute flight comprised of a takeoff, go-around, and landing at the airport of departure with the airplane configuration, speed, power, and thrust the same as that used in meeting the applicable takeoff, approach, and landing climb.

sherology · 21-07-2019 01:45PM

EI a321lr photos - full profile: https://aibfamily.flights/A320/8887

marno21 · 21-07-2019 02:33PM

The bird was kind enough not to do much damage. EI-LBT just airborne for Hartford

kevinandrew · 21-07-2019 03:51PM

First photos of the soon to be EI-LRA in the air;

https://www.netairspace.com/photos/D-AYAV/Aer_Lingus/Airbus_A321-253NX/XFW_EDHI_Hamburg_Finkenwerder/photo_340361/

https://www.netairspace.com/photos/D-AYAV/Aer_Lingus/Airbus_A321-253NX/HAM_EDDH_Hamburg_Fuhlsbuettel_Helmut_Schmidt/photo_340603/

There's usually one more test flight followed by delivery.

ohigg84 · 21-07-2019 03:56PM

kevinandrew wrote: »

First photos of the soon to be EI-LRA in the air;

https://www.netairspace.com/photos/D-AYAV/Aer_Lingus/Airbus_A321-253NX/XFW_EDHI_Hamburg_Finkenwerder/photo_340361/

https://www.netairspace.com/photos/D-AYAV/Aer_Lingus/Airbus_A321-253NX/HAM_EDDH_Hamburg_Fuhlsbuettel_Helmut_Schmidt/photo_340603/

There's usually one more test flight followed by delivery.

Very nice, but it still doesn't command the elegance of the mighty 757!

Will miss those 757s

Shamrockj · 21-07-2019 04:13PM

Once -LRA is delivered what time scale are people thinking it will be before LRB,C,D?
Also does anyone have any ideas when the 2 A330-300's will be delivered?

kevinandrew · 21-07-2019 05:00PM

Shamrockj wrote: »

Once -LRA is delivered what time scale are people thinking it will be before LRB,C,D?
Also does anyone have any ideas when the 2 A330-300's will be delivered?

'LRB is currently fully painted and outside in the riverside storage area, if it follows the same timetable as 'LRA it should be there a few days before spending the next month or two in the hangers followed by flight tests and delivery. My own rough guess for delivery would be sometime in mid-late September. 'LRC is on the final assembly line, tail painted and wings attached.

As for the A333s, I believe one is due late this year with the second shortly after in the new year. One source suggests the first fuselage section was at Hamburg earlier this month, Airbus don't actually assemble A330s at their Hamburg plant but do make certain sections for them so I'm guessing this piece will be transported by the Airbus Beluga to Toulouse for final assembly later in the year.

adam88 · 21-07-2019 07:13PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

EI have ordered the A321LR for east coast ops and the XLR for further scope. The regular neo wouldn’t have the range. Business class seats will be fitted.

Thanks for the reply. Seen a pic of an airbus neo today. On the side it had display showing it can do Paris to New York. Is this correct ???

Locker10a · 21-07-2019 07:16PM

adam88 wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. Seen a pic of an airbus neo today. On the side it had display showing it can do Paris to New York. Is this correct ???

Yes! Why would the print that on the side if it was a lie?

tanya1987 · 21-07-2019 07:27PM

Locker10a wrote: »

Yes! Why would the print that on the side if it was a lie?

ðŸ˜‚ðŸ˜‚ðŸ˜‚ Locker10a ur answer made me laugh

Kcormahs · 21-07-2019 07:51PM

How many cabin crew on the a321lr for aer Lingus? 4 or 5?

cloudhopper19 · 21-07-2019 08:10PM

4

Kcormahs wrote: »

How many cabin crew on the a321lr for aer Lingus? 4 or 5?

Kcormahs · 21-07-2019 08:27PM

cloudhopper19 wrote: »

4

Is that a final decision? I heard they were in negotiations with Unions

Jack1985 · 21-07-2019 08:50PM

Kcormahs wrote: »

Is that a final decision? I heard they were in negotiations with Unions

What you heard last is correct, company are continuing to plan for 4.

adam88 · 21-07-2019 08:51PM

Locker10a wrote: »

Yes! Why would the print that on the side if it was a lie?

Someone above replied that the neo wouldn’t have the range to do east coast

Jack1985 · 21-07-2019 08:53PM

adam88 wrote: »

Someone above replied that the neo wouldn’t have the range to do east coast

To be frank, depending on cabin configuration and business model (targeting of cargo etc), range can be limited to what most manufactures determine as ''range''.

adam88 · 21-07-2019 08:56PM

Jack1985 wrote: »

To be frank, depending on cabin configuration and business model (targeting of cargo etc), range can be limited to what most manufactures determine as ''range''.

Suppose what I’m getting at and asking is, will the new 321 neo’s be flying east coast ???

Jack1985 · 21-07-2019 08:59PM

adam88 wrote: »

Suppose what I’m getting at and asking is, will the new 321 neo’s be flying east coast ???

Of course, hence why they have been purchased. The current NEO will have no issues from DUB/SNN to BDL/BOS/EWR/IAD/JFK/PHL/YYZ. Anything further you run into issues.

tanya1987 · 21-07-2019 09:50PM

Jack1985 wrote: »

What you heard last is correct, company are continuing to plan for 4.

Union would be silly in accepting 4? All airlines operating the LR with 5+. Plus EI has 16 in business and 168 in Y, full service?

Jamie2k9 · 21-07-2019 09:57PM

tanya1987 wrote: »

Union would be silly in accepting 4? All airlines operating the LR with 5+. Plus EI has 16 in business and 168 in Y, full service?

The ship has long saled for the union to kick up a fuss. The time for 5 agree or not was when the B752 deals was done.

EIMH · 21-07-2019 09:59PM

Just to clarify something here
The 321 neo's EI are getting in the near future are the LR (long range) variant
The A321LR variant provides extended range for the A320neo Family’s longest fuselage version, able to fly routes of up to 4,000 nm with 206 passengers by utilising extra fuel in three Additional Centre Tanks (ACTs).

The standard 321neo would have a very limited TA range in particular westbound in some weather conditions

Van.Bosch · 21-07-2019 10:00PM

Jack1985 wrote: »

Of course, hence why they have been purchased. The current NEO will have no issues from DUB/SNN to BDL/BOS/EWR/IAD/JFK/PHL/YYZ. Anything further you run into issues.

These are the LR’s though, I think the poster is asking about regular NEO A321’s.

Regular Neo’s Won’t

LR Neo’s will (Which EI have coming).

Jack1985 · 21-07-2019 10:48PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

These are the LR’s though, I think the poster is asking about regular NEO A321’s.

Regular Neo’s Won’t

LR Neo’s will (Which EI have coming).

Apologies read that wrong!

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

The ship has long saled for the union to kick up a fuss. The time for 5 agree or not was when the B752 deals was done.

Your a bit of the mark with that statement, what you refer to as ''fuss'' without having any insight to the actual issues shows your lack of knowledge at the situation. One crew member will have an increased workload of 33% without any change to conditions (as proposed by EI). And I'm glad you point out the 757, because those agreements are now irrelevant.

EI Mgmt know they are out on the odd foot crewing with 4 (a continuation of the 757 policy) but with a substantially increased workload for Business and with the cabin configuration creating additional issues.

Last I heard it was the company offering things left, right and centre in an attempt to hang on to a cabin crew crewing level of 4, but the union are still holding out. The pressure mounts for one side as the 2nd of August approaches.

tanya1987 · 21-07-2019 10:53PM

Jack1985 wrote: »

Apologies read that wrong!

Your a bit of the mark with that statement, what you refer to as ''fuss'' without having any insight to the actual issues shows your lack of knowledge at the situation. One crew member will have an increased workload of 33% without any change to conditions (as proposed by EI). And I'm glad you point out the 757, because those agreements are now irrelevant.

EI Mgmt know they are out on the odd foot crewing with 4 (a continuation of the 757 policy) but with a substantially increased workload for Business and with the cabin configuration creating additional issues.

Last I heard it was the company offering things left, right and centre in an attempt to hang on to a cabin crew crewing level of 4, but the union are still holding out. The pressure mounts for one side as the 2nd of August approaches.

You couldnt have said it better. Plus if on the 757 for being min crew there was already agreements extra in place, on the NEO it cant be different.

Jack1985 · 21-07-2019 10:57PM

tanya1987 wrote: »

You couldnt have said it better. Plus if on the 757 for being min crew there was already agreements extra in place, on the NEO it cant be different.

The company thought this would be the case for NEO (they wanted to can all existing 75 agreements, ruling them as irrelevant) so the union took them on this and with an LRC agreement regarding updated 330 crewing levels are driving a hammer at them so to speak which has caused them to confirm all existing payment levels would continue but they've started out on such a bad footing they are offering other incentives too but the union continue to hold out.

Irish Steve · 21-07-2019 10:59PM

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

Did it head out to the Irish Sea because it had to dump fuel ?

No, 757 can't dump fuel, they made an overweight landing, the profile of that approach is pretty much a standard approach, and even more so if they needed a bit of extra time to get things right due to non normal operations. We don't know if they shut one engine down or not, either way, they had plenty to do before landing.

tanya1987 · 21-07-2019 11:03PM

Jack1985 wrote: »

The company thought this would be the case for NEO (they wanted to can all existing 75 agreements, ruling them as irrelevant) so the union took them on this and with an LRC agreement regarding updated 330 crewing levels are driving a hammer at them so to speak which has caused them to confirm all existing payment levels would continue but they've started out on such a bad footing they are offering other incentives too but the union continue to hold out.

Updated on the 330 crewing? Are u on about the 9th cc agreement? But what does that have to do with the neo?

Jamie2k9 · 21-07-2019 11:06PM

Jack1985 wrote: »

Apologies read that wrong!

Your a bit of the mark with that statement, what you refer to as ''fuss'' without having any insight to the actual issues shows your lack of knowledge at the situation. One crew member will have an increased workload of 33% without any change to conditions (as proposed by EI). And I'm glad you point out the 757, because those agreements are now irrelevant.

EI Mgmt know they are out on the odd foot crewing with 4 (a continuation of the 757 policy) but with a substantially increased workload for Business and with the cabin configuration creating additional issues.

Last I heard it was the company offering things left, right and centre in an attempt to hang on to a cabin crew crewing level of 4, but the union are still holding out. The pressure mounts for one side as the 2nd of August approaches.

Im not disputing the extra work load as I said agree or not with 4/5. Unions might be holding out but right now Aer Lingus have the upper hand (crew levels not retention as mentioned) If unions had the opportunity to have 5 they would do everything possible to get it including a strike. If the B752 agreements had 5 would have 5 on A321s no questions.

They might well offer a financial incentive again before 5 is considered and difficult to 5 even been considered before end of summer.

Jack1985 · 21-07-2019 11:06PM

tanya1987 wrote: »

Updated on the 330 crewing? Are u on about the 9th cc agreement? But what does that have to do with the neo?

Probably not wise to go in to detail here, but updated in regards to supervision levels (ratio of SN on-board to CC). The union are offering compromise for that ruling but coupled with a NEO agreement. So they are driving seat for two issues if that makes sense.

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Im not disputing the extra work load as I said agree or not with 4/5. Unions might be holding out but right now Aer Lingus have the upper hand. If unions had the opportunity to have 5 they would do everything possible to get it. If the B752 agreements had 5 would have 5 on A321s no questions.

They might well offer a financial incentive again before 5 is considered and difficult to 5 even been considered before end of summer.

Do you mind referring to how EI have the upper hand here ?

tanya1987 · 21-07-2019 11:13PM

Jack1985 wrote: »

Probably not wise to go in to detail here, but updated in regards to supervision levels (ratio of SN on-board to CC). The union are offering compromise for that ruling but coupled with a NEO agreement. So they are driving seat for two issues if that makes sense.

Do you mind referring to how EI have the upper hand here ?

I get u. But still even if the ratio sn cc on the 330 is cut permanently the neo wont get 2 sn. Max will be 1sn330 for 1cc extra on the neo (aka the 5th)

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