Fluoride and drinking water

Igotadose · 03-05-2019 12:53pm

donaghs wrote: »

A lot of my reading says that the older perceived benefits of "systemic" (ingested) fluoride have been overrated, and the effects of "topical" (contact with your teeth) have been underestimated.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10086928

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15153698

Young children in Ireland still get cavities. My kids tell about their peers having to get filings etc. They shouldn't, but maybe they are eating to many sweet and not brushing their teeth properly.

I think it's better to say, "May have been overrated," unless the studies you quote (which are literature reviews I think criticizing the methodologies of the earlier studies), don't include a 'we studied children grown up in non-fluoridated water environments as a control and compared them to those that are, but don't otherwise use fluoride toothpastes' and compare.

Blitzkrieger · 03-05-2019 4:38pm

I generally don't jump into topics like this so late on, but sure, on the off chance....

one world order wrote: »

Countless studies have shown fluoride in drinking water does not protect teeth.

Show us the studies?

The latest I heard is that it doesn't protect teeth for those that look after their teeth. For poorer disadvantaged people it is beneficial, and not harmful.

Guy:Incognito · 03-05-2019 4:43pm

donaghs wrote: »

Don't you think brushing teeth is a better solution?

I must have missed the government campaign to abolish brushing of teeth.

Guy:Incognito · 03-05-2019 4:46pm

Patty Hearst wrote: »

What about those of us who don't want a medicated water supply?

Youll have to stop drinking all water, cos it occurs naturally too.

donaghs · 04-05-2019 12:13am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

donaghs wrote: »

Don't you think brushing teeth is a better solution?

I must have missed the government campaign to abolish brushing of teeth.

If topical fluoride works best by brushing. And you already ingest naturally occurring fluoride in water, fruit/veg and meat, why add more to the water supply?

The days of people cleaning teeth with a rag and a salt/chimney soot mix are long gone. Similarly Charlie Haughey sending a toothbrush to all school children. All I’m saying is that from my reading of all this, the best way to get fluoride to protect teeth is to apply it topically.

jh79 · 04-05-2019 9:02am

donaghs wrote: »

If topical fluoride works best by brushing. And you already ingest naturally occurring fluoride in water, fruit/veg and meat, why add more to the water supply?

The days of people cleaning teeth with a rag and a salt/chimney soot mix are long gone. Similarly Charlie Haughey sending a toothbrush to all school children. All I’m saying is that from my reading of all this, the best way to get fluoride to protect teeth is to apply it topically.

Why stop something that is harmless and will benefit those who may not have the best dental hygiene.

Capt'n Midnight · 04-05-2019 11:19am

A lot of people are getting worked up over the pros and cons of adding fluoride to water.

This is making a lot of people anxious.

But thankfully there is a solution. We just need to add enough lithium ...

Tony Tucker · 18-07-2019 9:50am

So the gubberment is worried about our teeth... lol

Such BS. Very few devoloped countries in the world do this. Why is it needed?

Seanachai · 18-07-2019 2:15pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

A lot of people are getting worked up over the pros and cons of adding fluoride to water.

This is making a lot of people anxious.

But thankfully there is a solution. We just need to add enough lithium ...

Not a bad idea, lot of people are deficient in it

Seanachai · 18-07-2019 2:16pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Youll have to stop drinking all water, cos it occurs naturally too.

It's a different form that exists naturally though

Lux23 · 18-07-2019 2:18pm

Seanachai wrote: »

It's a different form that exists naturally though

How is it different?

Seanachai · 18-07-2019 2:55pm

Lux23 wrote: »

How is it different?

Calcium fluoride occurs in minute amounts at different levels depending on the source and is relatively harmless at lower doses, Hexafluorosilicic acid is a byproduct of smokestack slurry and exacerbates aluminium and arsenic absorption among other harms.

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/documents/tsca_21_petition_hfsa_2013-04-22.pdf

jh79 · 18-07-2019 3:58pm

Seanachai wrote: »

Calcium fluoride occurs in minute amounts at different levels depending on the source and is relatively harmless at lower doses, Hexafluorosilicic acid is a byproduct of smokestack slurry and exacerbates aluminium and arsenic absorption among other harms.

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/documents/tsca_21_petition_hfsa_2013-04-22.pdf

So it's the impurities in the fluoridating agents that are the problem and not flouride itself?

ppn · 19-07-2019 1:35am

Why should we have to drink fluoridated water if it's been shown to have it's affect on teeth topically, hence why dentist polish your teeth with it. Why have we to ingest it? In the United States, it was encouraged as harmless to use fluoridated water for baby formula but they have since backtracked on this!

And if it's harmless to drink at a so-called 'optimal level', what happens when the fluoride concentration is increased through boiling, for cooking and tea making?? Not to mention, showering probably to a lesser extent.

I don't give a **** but the water I drink from a private well is alien to whatever it is that comes out of the tap.

With all those pro-fluoride studies where they supposedly and conveniently show that cavities increase after ending fluoridation...Did everyone stop brushing their teeth aswell? I mean ffs..

Shemale · 19-07-2019 1:43am

Nice little quango for it too:

"Fine Gael was opposed to compulsory water fluoridation but they now support the policy.[105] Fianna Fail is in favour of compulsory water fluoridation and in 2004 Micheal Martin set up the pro-fluoride Irish Expert Body on Fluorides and Health."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation_by_country

Seanachai · 19-07-2019 10:47am

jh79 wrote: »

So it's the impurities in the fluoridating agents that are the problem and not flouride itself?

It's the source, type of fluoride and the exposure levels, it's not the short-term risk but the cumulative effect over a few decades.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-07-2019 11:47am

one world order wrote: »

Countless studies have shown fluoride in drinking water does not protect teeth.

Yes it does. And that is why its in toothpaste.

Its also naturally occurring in the food you eat.

Rain has fluoride in it. All veg and fruits have it.

It remineralizes your teeth and bones.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-07-2019 11:50am

You know they also fortify milk and bread....spooky!

irishguitarlad · 19-07-2019 12:08pm

I was back home recently and sweet jesus the water out of the tap is awful. Over here in Spain there is no fluoride added to the water and it shows, absolutely delicious.

topper75 · 19-07-2019 12:14pm

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Serious question.. is it safe to drink water straight from the tap?

I only ever use bottled water.

Well - you should be able to make 44 anyway like I did.
I'll keep reporting back at intervals.

ohnonotgmail · 19-07-2019 12:18pm

irishguitarlad wrote: »

I was back home recently and sweet jesus the water out of the tap is awful. Over here in Spain there is no fluoride added to the water and it shows, absolutely delicious.

Yeah because you can totally taste the flouride that has been added to the water :rolleyes:

jh79 · 19-07-2019 12:26pm

Seanachai wrote: »

It's the source, type of fluoride and the exposure levels, it's not the short-term risk but the cumulative effect over a few decades.

Fluoride is an element so there is only one type.

In it's 60+ year history there is no convincing evidence that it causes any problems bar cosmetic staining of teeth.

Stephen15 · 19-07-2019 1:36pm

jh79 wrote: »

Fluoride is an element so there is only one type.

In it's 60+ year history there is no convincing evidence that it causes any problems bar cosmetic staining of teeth.

It shouldn't be in water chemicals should only be in water if nessecary to prevent bacteria fluoride isn't nessecary so it shouldn't be there in the first place.

keithonroll · 19-07-2019 1:40pm

I would recommend Watercare for drinking water filters in Ireland. They are simply amazing.

crossmolinalad · 19-07-2019 1:53pm

Lucky me , I have a well

jh79 · 19-07-2019 2:19pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

It shouldn't be in water chemicals should only be in water if nessecary to prevent bacteria fluoride isn't nessecary so it shouldn't be there in the first place.

Why does it matter? It''s harmless at our levels

baaba maal · 19-07-2019 3:47pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

It shouldn't be in water chemicals should only be in water if nessecary to prevent bacteria fluoride isn't nessecary so it shouldn't be there in the first place.

Water is a chemical compound. Should we remove the H or the O?

baaba maal · 19-07-2019 3:49pm

irishguitarlad wrote: »

I was back home recently and sweet jesus the water out of the tap is awful. Over here in Spain there is no fluoride added to the water and it shows, absolutely delicious.

There are many reasons for water tasting good or bad- the presence of fluoride is not one of them. They have starting blending water from two different rivers for my water supply- the change is noticeable, but that is because the rivers themselves run through very different geological areas.

suicide_circus · 19-07-2019 3:55pm

if fluoride in the water supply is a good idea, why do so few countries do it? is this one of those things in which ireland knows best, such as burning turf and not charging for water by usage?

jh79 · 19-07-2019 4:13pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

if fluoride in the water supply is a good idea, why do so few countries do it? is this one of those things in which ireland knows best, such as burning turf and not charging for water by usage?

In other countries it might be already in the water or added to salt instead.

Fluoride and drinking water

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