Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Monumental wrote: »

This is getting a bit tiresome now ,boy B''s father had enough time to come to terms that his son was involved in Ana's gruesome murder His outburst in court was unacceptable Dont know if boy B knew the final outcome ,but he was there ,saw the horrific murder ,perhaps he was part of it felt no need to let anyone know this poor girl was lying dead in an abondened house ,knowing her parents were lng for her He then went home and continued his life as normal Nothing normal about this

Well there are certainly many flaws to your argument but it doesn't matter, I don't want to debate this terrible murder, the majority of the evidence isn't available to the general public ie. The recordings of the interview.

Yes Boy B is guilty and yes I agree he's guilty.

Yes Boy B's father outburst was unacceptable but in my opinion there is no way we can connect that outburst and Boy B being a murderer.

Oranage2 wrote: »

Well there are certainly many flaws to your argument but it doesn't matter, I don't want to debate this terrible murder, the majority of the evidence isn't available to the general public ie. The recordings of the interview.

Yes Boy B is guilty and yes I agree he's guilty.

Yes Boy B's father outburst was unacceptable but in my opinion there is no way we can connect that outburst and Boy B being a murderer.

Please point out the flaws ,Have never had to try get my head around a murder like this

Oranage2 wrote: »

Hardly fair to judge Boy B by his father's outburst. The lawyer probably thought he could get off so it was a big shock to the father. Now I agree with the verdict but there's no way to know that Boy B knew Boy A was going to kill her with the evidence given, if he didn't lie so much he'd have most likely been Scot free.

McCrack wrote: »

Where does one begin with posts like this..

I think Oranage2 meant (and said) that there was no evidence to prove anything on Boy B. The first sentence was a separate point.
I agree with that (there was no physical evidence).

It's also hard to know where to start explaining any belief of what happened, as that's all it is. Guessing.
But going by the evidence we are privy to (in a nutshell so missing a bit).
Boy B was only caught (imo) because he was brought in to make a statement before he believed he was a suspect. At the time he still believed he was only 'helping' the Gardaí locate her.
Facts:
- by filling them with lies.
When Ana was found, Boy B's statement was reviewed along with cctv footage, and he had to lie again to explain why the cctv and his statement didn't match up. And then the lies continued (for over 16 hours of statements).

After many different statements (some of which have been published), One is of Boy B admitting that he was in the house and watched Boy A attack her.
His (I think) final statement says he ran away after watching Boy A flip her over and take off her top, because he was afraid.

“At first, I walked around but then I went back to the carpet area and I saw him flip her and start to choke her. When I saw that, I instantly knew what was happening and I was just shook. I didn’t know what to do.
“She was starting to cry a bit, she kept, like, saying ‘no, no don’t do this’ then Boy A started taking off her clothes but I left before he got to take off the bra.”
He later added: “So as Boy A was taking off her clothes – he looked at the door where I was standing and I sprinted away.” He described the incident to gardaí as “horrifying”.

Boy B walked home and stopped off at the park rangers hut to get a drink of water. (according to himself, witnesses and cctv) .
Once home he finished his homework and went upstairs to watch Anime on his TV in his bedroom.
The Gardaí called to his house that night (looking for Ana) and he was surprised to see them, but still calm. And never mentioned Boy A, the house or anything that he had seen.

A year later - and even though a lot of what he said did not match up, the father knew at the very least, his son had called into Ana's house, convinced her to come out, thought she was a weirdo and not somebody he liked, walked with her for 3km to bring her to an abandoned house and watched his friend whom he brought her to meet, beat her and strip her to her underwear.

Boy B then says he ran away 'sprinting'.
He cannot account for 35 minutes from when he ran away to when turns up again on cctv walking.

I am not blaming the parents, nor have I, for this heinous crime, but I do believe that Boy B's father is either not the brightest individual and that is why he erupted in court.
Or
He is just (putting it mildly) an inconsiderate ****ing idiot that is aware of everything that has happened and what Ana's parents have been through for a year (and will continue to go through for the rest of their lives), but still thought that was the best time to shout out - Because lets be honest, if he isn't stupid, he must have been able to see that his son had a hand in her death.
Albeit without any physical proof that he physically had a hand.
The father chose to believe everything his son said, and I can't blame him for that, but do think that there is a point when you have to stop believing, and murder would definitely be after that point.

Boy B claims to have watched Boy A strip her by pulling her top off over her head, but it was ripped off her.

Impossible to put bullet points in a nutshell, as I found out when I tried. There are tons of articles and each one gives a little bit of evidence/statements that were seen and heard in court that aren't in other publications.

Boy B's synopsis
https://www.thejournal.ie/who-is-boy-b-ana-kriegel-murder-trial-4657833-Jun2019/

Don't apologise, just don't post moronic and contradictory posts

rusty cole wrote: »

I'm hoping because her mam and dad are kind of friends of the local councillor , this will compound matters and see justice is really handed out with vigour and extreme prejudice.

So you are hoping that the judge will be influenced by political pressure? You would actually like to live in a country where that happens?

According to RTE news, sentencing will likely be adjourned today as it's unlikely all the professional reports the judge requires will have been completed yet.

Sardonicat wrote: »

So you are hoping that the judge will be influenced by political pressure? You would actually like to live in a country where that happens?

According to RTE news, sentencing will likely be adjourned today as it's unlikely all the professional reports the judge requires will have been completed yet.

Adjourned to October 29th

https://twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1150710709262721028

rusty cole wrote: »

I'm hoping because her mam and dad are kind of friends of the local councillor , this will compound matters and see justice is really handed out with vigour and extreme prejudice.

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P.Walnuts wrote: »

Playing Devils advocate here but...

You're essentially implying that every person that has been convicted in a court of law is guilty.....you don't need me to tell you that mistakes have been made and innocent people sent to prison.

Again I'm not saying Boy B is innocent, just pointing out that I don't think your logic holds up

With respect your logic appears to be that a possible wrongful conviction may have occurred because wrongful convictions have occurred. Plenty of guilty people have been sent to prison too, the vast majority of those convicted actually.

And I think the other poster may well have meant that the jury found him guilty but had far more access to the evidence & overall context of the case so are in a better position to make such a call.

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forumdedum wrote: »

Why is this good news?

Can't understand why reports were not ready for sentencing date.

Obviously no stone is being left unturned to make sure everything is done right and in order. There was a suggestion some clinicians would be hired from England. Obviously all of this takes time, especially now as we are in the middle of the Summer and many of these experts may not be free to get involved straight away. The testing and interviewing and drawing up relevant reports probably take quite some time too. This was only to be expected.

Suckit wrote: »

It's probably a good thing, but can't be pleasant for Ana's parents waiting.

I'd say even more so Reality by now is beginning to click in with these two Boys. They're probably realising after their day in court with their Parents today, that their friends from school are now off on the Summer Hols free to run around as they please, enjoying their freedom, which the Boys now don't have.

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Where are they in custody now until sentencing?

Oberstown house. there is nowhere else to put them now that st patricks is closed.