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  • #92
    SozBbz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭SozBbz


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    It depends on how much land you buy and the size of the site.

    Renting a garage will more expensive long term.

    But i don't know your life or needs exactly etc only you do.

    Do you live in the country? All your posts seem to suggest buying and building which is just not practical in Dublin realistically.

    There are next to no sites available in Dublin for one off housing. There are parcels of land where developers will build multiple units but buying a site and building one house is just not practical in Dublin. I've lived here all my life and never heard of anyone doing this. The closest thing is people buying fixer uppers and maybe even demolishing the original house, but again thats not what the OP wants. Even if it were possible, I'd imagine its extremely expensive as the site value alone would be significant.

    Also, if the OP doesn't want to get into renovation works, then they hardly have the appetite for a full build.

    The crux of the matter is that the OPs boyfriend simply hasnt gotten his head around the fact that their budget does not stretch to the property type that would meet both of their core requirements (new build with garage) and they will have to compromise. I'm sure such properties exist, but not for €500k in Dublin.

    Many house hunters have to go through a process of aligning their budget with reality. My advice is for them to go out and look at these fixer uppers and new builds as I really think the process of viewing helps focus the mind. I think this would be really smart of the OP as the new properties will be show homes and probably look amazing, and in my experience most fixer uppers are made look their best in the online ads. Any I've viewed have been worse in real life than in the agents pictures. This may help bring things to a head.


  • #93
    the_pen_turner
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    Why does the boyfriend have to compromise but the OP doesn't.


  • #94
    SozBbz
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    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    Why does the boyfriend have to compromise but the OP doesn't.

    Because he's the one looking for something that doesn't exist?


    He's looking at homes that require renovation that are already top end of budget, so once you factor in the costs to make them right, they're effectively over budget.

    Also, due to planning policy, very few new builds are going to have garages. In DLR where I live for example, if you're withing 1km of either the Luas or a QBC, there are certain density requirements that the council enforce, and they do not leave room for garages. There were houses near me built recently and sold for €800k+ that don't even have separate front gardens let alone a garage. These are big homes of approx 200sqm over 3 floors.

    I don't think the OP actively wants to deny him a garage. If such properties existed within their budget in the right area, she's not said anything to indicate that she's ideologically against him having it. I'm sure they'd just buy that property and she wouldn't need to be on here posting. She just knows they can't afford it/won't get it in a new build and wants to move past it.


  • #95
    Ursus Horribilis
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    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    Why does the boyfriend have to compromise but the OP doesn't.

    Because the compromise will have huge implications for them both. The options in the table are
    1. Move to a less desirable area. This should be an absolute no no as far as I'm concerned.
    2. Buy a do-er upper which will cost significant time and money to modernise. Our OP has already been down this road with her previous house so she knows what this entails.
    3. Put huge financial pressure/risk on them both by buying something right at the top of their budget. What will they do if something happens that reduces their income?

    If they go with options 2 or 3, it will take away our OPs plans to travel etc. Which I assume her boyfriend would have been on board with too.

    And let's not forget the boyfriend already rents garage space and is rarely there. This garage could turn out to be a very expensive version of a home gym or a top of the range guitar that's just sitting in the corner unused.


  • #96
    the_pen_turner
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    Ursus Horribilis wrote: »
    Because the compromise will have huge implications for them both. The options in the table are
    1. Move to a less desirable area. This should be an absolute no no as far as I'm concerned.
    2. Buy a do-er upper which will cost significant time and money to modernise. Our OP has already been down this road with her previous house so she knows what this entails.
    3. Put huge financial pressure/risk on them both by buying something right at the top of their budget. What will they do if something happens that reduces their income?

    If they go with options 2 or 3, it will take away our OPs plans to travel etc. Which I assume her boyfriend would have been on board with too.

    And let's not forget the boyfriend already rents garage space and is rarely there. This garage could turn out to be a very expensive version of a home gym or a top of the range guitar that's just sitting in the corner unused.

    So what if the boyfriend puts money into the garage.once his share of the Bill's are paid It's his money and can spend it how he likes. Op wants to travel or spend money on a nice bathroom or kitchen
    I'm sure the OP has hobbies too that use money. Nothing wrong with that.

    Also there would be money saved by not renting a garage. And it would probably be used more if it was really close


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  • #97
    the_pen_turner
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    SozBbz wrote: »
    Because he's the one looking for something that doesn't exist?


    He's looking at homes that require renovation that are already top end of budget, so once you factor in the costs to make them right, they're effectively over budget.

    Also, due to planning policy, very few new builds are going to have garages. In DLR where I live for example, if you're withing 1km of either the Luas or a QBC, there are certain density requirements that the council enforce, and they do not leave room for garages. There were houses near me built recently and sold for €800k+ that don't even have separate front gardens let alone a garage. These are big homes of approx 200sqm over 3 floors.

    I don't think the OP actively wants to deny him a garage. If such properties existed within their budget in the right area, she's not said anything to indicate that she's ideologically against him having it. I'm sure they'd just buy that property and she wouldn't need to be on here posting. She just knows they can't afford it/won't get it in a new build and wants to move past it.

    So no compromise at all


  • #98
    Ursus Horribilis
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    Have you tried house hunting in Dublin recently?


  • #99
    the_pen_turner
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    Ursus Horribilis wrote: »
    Have you tried house hunting in Dublin recently?

    Of course not. It would be my idea of hell


  • #100
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
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    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    Why does the boyfriend have to compromise but the OP doesn't.

    I can sympathise with him, seems like he's had his heart set on this for a while, but it's just not turning out to be realistic. If she just flat out didn't want him to have a garage that'd be one thing but that's not the case.

    Imagine a couple trying to decide what restaurant to go to. One person wants to go somewhere in easy travelling distance, reasonably priced, menu looks appealing, it's well reviewed. And the other person just wants one thing, say they want a glass of a specific wine from 2011, and they're the only one who's going to be drinking, and the other person is footing the vast majority of the bill. Is schlepping down to West Cork to an expensive place with a tiny menu and mediocre reviews a compromise there, or is it one person's wants which benefit only them taking precedence over a whole load of reasonable and mutually beneficial considerations?

    It must be very frustrating for both of you OP, you seem to be on very different wavelengths in a lot of ways. Buying a house is very stressful for anyone but that this is becoming such a point of contention isn't good, nor is the fact that you're now becoming a bit resentful over the money issue. I'd have a good hard think (And some legal advice) before buying with him at all.


  • #101
    SozBbz
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    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    So no compromise at all

    What do you suggest? Half a garage? Be serious.


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  • #102
    Ursus Horribilis
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    I also think him not really using the garage space he is already renting is significant. If he's so mad about cars, why isn't he there all the time?


  • #103
    the_pen_turner
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    SozBbz wrote: »
    What do you suggest? Half a garage? Be serious.

    The op has loads of requirements on her list.
    Boyfriend has one. I think the compromise should come from the op . The boyfriend isn't looking for a hugely spacious state of the art garage and workshop. Only a small garage.

    The compromise could be buying somewhere really close to a rent able garage or buy somewhere where you can build one. Or buy out of the city so everyone can get what they want


  • #104
    Ursus Horribilis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Ursus Horribilis


    So what do you have to say about this guy already renting a garage but barely using it?


  • #105
    the_pen_turner
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    Ursus Horribilis wrote: »
    So what do you have to say about this guy already renting a garage but barely using it?

    that depends on what the op means by barely uses it.
    if there is stuff stored there then its used all the time.
    we dont know how far away it is and if its really inconvenient to go there.
    its very hard sometimes after a days work to go somewhere even a few minutes drive away but you would walk out to the garage and tinker at something.
    i often go out to the garage/workshop and potter around for 30minutes . its very relaxing especially if its been a stressful day. your head would be wrecked inside between phones ringing ,tv, other half asking all sorts of questions becasue she is bored etc. i often just sat out there and let the stress drain away.

    not sure why the boyfriend doesnt go there all the time. only he could tell us.


  • #106
    ILoveYourVibes
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    Maybe its just something you will have to work out between the two of you.


  • #107
    SozBbz
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    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    The op has loads of requirements on her list.
    Boyfriend has one. I think the compromise should come from the op . The boyfriend isn't looking for a hugely spacious state of the art garage and workshop. Only a small garage.

    The compromise could be buying somewhere really close to a rent able garage or buy somewhere where you can build one. Or buy out of the city so everyone can get what they want

    Eh, no her one real requirement is a house that doesnt involve renovation. So thats a new build or one that someone else has renovated which tend to be sought after and expensive.

    You've already admitted that you don't know about the Dublin property market so why you insist on saying things like "only a small garage" like that somehow changes things is beyond me. Properties with large, double garages etc tend to be either out in the sticks of over €1m.

    The OP has already told us that her BF is looking at fixer uppers that are already top of budget without accounting for the money they'd need to be modernized. That tells me that what he wants, he can't afford.

    People are not entitled to be able to buy their dream home just because they have a hobby and really want a garage.

    The OP has aligned her expectations to her budget. I'm sure if money was no object, there are plenty of things she'd have on her wishlist. Her boyfriend has not. Therefore he's the one who needs to get real.


  • #108
    the_pen_turner
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    SozBbz wrote: »
    Eh, no her one real requirement is a house that doesnt involve renovation. So thats a new build or one that someone else has renovated which tend to be sought after and expensive.

    You've already admitted that you don't know about the Dublin property market so why you insist on saying things like "only a small garage" like that somehow changes things is beyond me. Properties with large, double garages etc tend to be either out in the sticks of over €1m.

    The OP has already told us that her BF is looking at fixer uppers that are already top of budget without accounting for the money they'd need to be modernized. That tells me that what he wants, he can't afford.

    People are not entitled to be able to buy their dream home just because they have a hobby and really want a garage.

    The OP has aligned her expectations to her budget. I'm sure if money was no object, there are plenty of things she'd have on her wishlist. Her boyfriend has not. Therefore he's the one who needs to get real.

    You have hit the nail on the head
    She is spending "their" money on HER expectations.

    Also she has loads of requirements.

    I don't know or care about Dublin. Living there would be my idea of hell.


  • #109
    Ursus Horribilis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Ursus Horribilis


    It doesn't matter one iota what YOU think about living in Dublin. It's my idea of hell too but I know enough about house hunting to know that you can't just go buy a house with a garage without making sacrifices. Be it living in a less desirable area, inflicting a long commute on yourself or having a bigger mortgage than what they had planned for. All for a bloody garage that we don't know if he'll even use. They could also end up in an area with cnuts of neighbours who'll be banging on their door if he dares rev his engine or use power tools. She has said she isn't against him having his garage. It's grand for you to throw stones when you don't live in Dublin and haven't had to house hunt there


  • #110
    SozBbz
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    You've hit the nail on the head here.
    the_pen_turner wrote: »

    I don't know [or care] about Dublin.

    Why are you hellbent on giving frankly shoddy advice on a subject you have no knowledge on?


  • #111
    wiggle16
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    What the BF is asking for isn't realistic. The OP is putting far more into this property than her partner.... without being conceited I think he should be thanking his stars that he has a partner who is in a position to get them onto the property market. This isn't a small ask on his part.

    It's fallen into his lap like. He couldn't do it on his own with what he has and his means and he's really not in a position to be making demands. The OP needs to make it clear to him that he's not being realistic and he needs to compromise on this. His dream garage is an indulgence, that's all. It's no different to him wanting a house with a pool - it's beyond their means unless they make sacrifices on a lot of other more basic stuff. Unless he can find a way to finance it he needs to grow up a bit.


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  • #112
    the_pen_turner
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    wiggle16 wrote: »
    What the BF is asking for isn't realistic. The OP is putting far more into this property than her partner.... without being conceited I think he should be thanking his stars that he has a partner who is in a position to get them onto the property market. This isn't a small ask on his part.

    It's fallen into his lap like. He couldn't do it on his own with what he has and his means and he's really not in a position to be making demands. The OP needs to make it clear to him that he's not being realistic and he needs to compromise on this. His dream garage is an indulgence, that's all. It's no different to him wanting a house with a pool - it's beyond their means unless they make sacrifices on a lot of other more basic stuff. Unless he can find a way to finance it he needs to grow up a bit.

    if you reversed the genders and went back 30 years you would have a very old fashioned view . how many house wive over the years never finacially contributed to the home. is it fair to exclude their opinion and needs. t thankfully moved on from a lot of that behavior
    this isnt about gender or income or who has more to invest.
    its about compromise.


    he isnt asking for a dream garage. that would cost 100k plus probably at a minimum. mine would


  • #113
    the_pen_turner
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    SozBbz wrote: »
    You've hit the nail on the head here.



    Why are you hellbent on giving frankly shoddy advice on a subject you have no knowledge on?

    what advice have i given thats wrong. he is contributing to the morgage and only want one small thing back . i dont think its right that the op can get everything she wants but the BF doesnt get the one smalll thing


  • #114
    Ursus Horribilis
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    Where do you live? Out in the countryside, I bet. If the OP and her boyfriend could easily buy a nice house with a garage attached, this thread would not exist.


  • #115
    the_pen_turner
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    Ursus Horribilis wrote: »
    It doesn't matter one iota what YOU think about living in Dublin. It's my idea of hell too but I know enough about house hunting to know that you can't just go buy a house with a garage without making sacrifices. Be it living in a less desirable area, inflicting a long commute on yourself or having a bigger mortgage than what they had planned for. All for a bloody garage that we don't know if he'll even use. They could also end up in an area with cnuts of neighbours who'll be banging on their door if he dares rev his engine or use power tools. She has said she isn't against him having his garage. It's grand for you to throw stones when you don't live in Dublin and haven't had to house hunt there

    they could end up with horrible neighbours anyway. probably more likely the fancier the area.

    of course there are sacrifices . thats my point. surely you could sacrifices one or 2 things from your list so that your other half could have the one small thing they want


  • #116
    the_pen_turner
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    Ursus Horribilis wrote: »
    Where do you live? Out in the countryside, I bet. If the OP and her boyfriend could easily buy a nice house with a garage attached, this thread would not exist.

    i do live in the country side , thats no secret.
    we dont know if any nice houses have been sugested only that they havnt met the ops very strict set of criteria


  • #117
    Sarn
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    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    he isnt asking for a dream garage. that would cost 100k plus probably at a minimum. mine would

    Many houses in Dublin don’t have garages. A bog standard garage in a good location could add a lot to the price of the house.


  • #118
    the_pen_turner
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    Sarn wrote: »
    Many houses in Dublin don’t have garages. A bog standard garage in a good location could add a lot to the price of the house.

    im just talking construction costs


  • #119
    Ursus Horribilis
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    But the thing is, the garage isn't a small thing. You are looking at this through the lens of someone who has a workshop and doesn't live in Dublin. You probably were lucky enough to be able to build/buy what you wanted. That luxury is no longer afforded to housing stock in Dublin. Garages are a "nice to have" rather than something that are tacked into houses without a second thought But if you want our OP to go live in a rough area or one nowhere near public transport, double their commute or balloon their mortgage repayments, go right ahead.


  • #120
    the_pen_turner
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    Ursus Horribilis wrote: »
    But the thing is, the garage isn't a small thing. You are looking at this through the lens of someone who has a workshop and doesn't live in Dublin. You probably were lucky enough to be able to build/buy what you wanted. That luxury is no longer afforded to housing stock in Dublin. Garages are a "nice to have" rather than something that are tacked into houses without a second thought But if you want our OP to go live in a rough area or one nowhere near public transport, double their commute or balloon their mortgage repayments, go right ahead.

    im not saying they should move to kildare or live in a dump just to have a garage. im saying she should be open to the idea of trying to find a property that fits as many needs of the couple as best as posible.
    the op see the garage as a luxury and a bit frivalious but the boyfriend sees it as a major requirment (as would i) .

    yes my workshop and garage and a few other sheds that we have are a lot easier for us to have because of where we live .


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  • #121
    zapper55
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    If they lived in the country I doubt this would even be an issue.

    I'm very familiar with the Dublin property market and a house with a garage is far more expensive than a house without a garage. This is because they are very likely to be 30 plus years old in settled areas with good schools and you pay a huge premium for them. I didnt come across any that didn't require significant investment (50k plus) to bring up to current standards.

    I hope the OP has discussed this with her partner as he/she hasn't been back since.


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