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02-07-2019 10:12PM

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Mitch Connor · 02-07-2019 10:17PM

Zeek12 wrote: »

Not saying that Sanchez doesn't work hard by the way. But when you look at his performance levels, atrocious goal return and huge salary.....it isn't surprising that fans can view this....and use it to question his commitment

And I think that is a lazy analysis.

He's clearly been rubbish, and the reasons for why he is so far off what we have seen him capable of are a mystery.

I don't see a lack of effort in the pitch. Maybe it is all for show, I don't know but I see him looking for the ball. Working to press the opposition. Look to create and drive the team forward. He's just incapable of any of it from an execution point of view. Perplexing. Even if his legs were shot of eject him to be able of playing the ball accurately.

I've heard he's a loner at the club, disliked by players and unhappy. If that is true then it would have a big impact, but again that's not an effort thing (without knowing how he trains)

clubberlang12 · 02-07-2019 10:17PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

There are no stories linking him anywhere. There are no stories saying he is looking to sit on the contract. There are no stories saying he is about to sign a new contract.

But from all those no stories it should be read as he had rejected us? Why?

Imo the reality is that any club that may look to take Alderweireld this summer simply don't have him s first choice on their list. That United works prefer maguire and will try to sign him. Should that fail, it may be we move for Alderweireld. Same could be true of City. Juve may have had him backup to de Ligt.

So you think we haven't contacted him?

Premiership proven defender, which we are desperately after, available for a fee which is fairly minimal in this crazy market and we haven't touched base? Despite the fact that we seemed to be very interested in him 12 last season! Would seem odd to me.
Pre-season about the start and still no concrete movement on a centre back, and still no stories about Toby. Maybe he is content to sit out his final 12 months and get a bumper deal next summer. Maybe the club contacted him and he declined, and thus the usual suspects have been briefed not to mention him so as to make us look like another player rejecting us. I don't , you don't know.....but i find it very weird that bare a mention of us after him, even with United being the biggest click bait team you can run a story about!! Heck he's been mentioned here about a dozen times today alone as a possible target, yet no tabloids even bothering to run with it!!

Mitch Connor · 02-07-2019 10:22PM

clubberlang12 wrote: »

So you think we haven't contacted him?

Premiership proven defender, which we are desperately after, available for a fee which is fairly minimal in this crazy market and we haven't touched base? Despite the fact that we seemed to be very interested in him 12 last season! Would seem odd to me.
Pre-season about the start and still no concrete movement on a centre back, and still no stories about Toby. Maybe he is content to sit out his final 12 months and get a bumper deal next summer. Maybe the club contacted him and he declined, and thus the usual suspects have been briefed not to mention him so as to make us look like another player rejecting us. I don't , you don't know.....but i find it very weird that bare a mention of us after him, even with United being the biggest click bait team you can run a story about!! Heck he's been mentioned here about a dozen times today alone as a possible target, yet no tabloids even bothering to run with it!!

I didn't say we've not contacted him.

We tried for de Ligt.
We bid for maguire today, apparently.

Maybe when those transfers are sorted one way or another we'll move for him.

There was talk we had outlined a deal for munier, in case we couldn't get awb done. Munier would be half the price.

Its just not insane to think Alderweireld isn't our first choice, and that not signing him (at this stage) simply isn't evidence that he has rejected us.

Rayne Wooney · 02-07-2019 10:27PM

The unfortunate reality being Maguire is probably the best we can get this summer, we know it and more importantly Leicester know it.

It looks like we’ll eventually pay the 75-80 million if we’ve already gone as high as 70, it’s the same as AW-B, we’ll stump up the extra to get the deal over the line because the alternatives aren’t lining up and preseason is already here.

Zeek12 · 02-07-2019 10:29PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

And I think that is a lazy analysis.

You may be right.

Personally speaking, its not my analysis. I've criticized him for many things. Not his workrate in fairness which is Ok.

But fans are human after all. They get frustrated. They see his awful performance level, the lack of goals and also the astronomical wages and they draw certain conclusions. Maybe flawed ones.

I do think Sanchez has made too much a meal of running around the pitch like crazy. Often in positions where he doesn't belong. Thats not what he was signed for. There's likely a nagging doubt in his own mind that his best days are gone and he can't produce for United.
And some of this effort is probably for show.

clubberlang12 · 02-07-2019 10:30PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I didn't say we've not contacted him.

We tried for de Ligt.
We bid for maguire today, apparently.

Maybe when those transfers are sorted one way or another we'll move for him.

There was talk we had outlined a deal for munier, in case we couldn't get awb done. Munier would be half the price.

Its just not insane to think Alderweireld isn't our first choice, and that not signing him (at this stage) simply isn't evidence that he has rejected us.

Precisely my point regarding Toby.......Meunier was reported, a number of outlets ran with this. There has been practically no mention of Toby from the usual sources, despite him being what you would imagine to be a viable option. I agree, he may not be first choice and I never insinuated that that may not be the case. My point was, that in a summer of usual crazy rumours, there has been virtually nothing come out linking him to us, especially considering pour previous interest, need for a CB, and his low buy out clause. I just find that particularly odd.

PARlance · 02-07-2019 10:37PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Imo Di Maria is the only one you could argue didn't put in the effort.

Not playing well is not the same as slacking off. Sanchez has worked had, just been rubbish. Matic has just lost that needed bit in his legs. Don't know why you would say he doesnt try. Don't get me wrong, I'd want him replaced in the starting line-up, but id not accuse him of downing tools.

Mkhitaryan... Again. Didn't work out, looks like the league isn't fit him, but i don't agree he lacked motivation or effort.

Agreed, Di Maria was 26/27 when he moved and from Madrid so I wouldn't include him as an old player moving for a payday in the first instance. Mkhitaryan similar, only 30 at the moment so wasn't old moving to us in the first place.

Cotts72 · 02-07-2019 10:57PM

At the end of the day maguire probably isn't the defender most of us wanted but we are at the point whereby we have to sign a CB. He's available, pl and international experience and would improve our defence. I think him and Lindelof would develop very well alongside one another.

Hopefully solskjaer pulls a LVG and signs him and fernandes hours before the preseason plane takes off! One can always.. Hope

IamtheWalrus · 02-07-2019 11:44PM

I wouldn’t be bothered about the fee at all. It’s Monopoly money these days. If he’d improve the team and stay around and progress, it might be a bargain in hindsight. Liverpool and City are paying these sums so we must.

S.M.B. · 03-07-2019 06:53AM

Whatever happened to the Ake links? Or are City outbidding us for him too as well as Maguire.

Bleating Lamb · 03-07-2019 07:03AM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I wouldn’t be bothered about the fee at all. It’s Monopoly money these days. If he’d improve the team and stay around and progress, it might be a bargain in hindsight. Liverpool and City are paying these sums so we must.

Agree with this to an extent,there is damn all logic to fees anymore,for all we know this time next season the likes of Maguire,after a decent first season at either Utd or City could be worth 90m plus!

However like a lot of other posters here I think it would be ironic if either City or Utd ended up buying him for more than VVD cost as he is a vastly inferior player.
My biggest concern against Maguire is that he can be turned quite easily.

Jurgen The German · 03-07-2019 07:52AM

How does Maguire stack up against van dyke before he joined lfc? He went for an astronomical fee, was playing at mid level clubs to a decent (that I know of) level but has proven worth the money as he has dramatically improved the entire lfc defense. We are badly lacking leaders at the back, is he (Maguire) the type of player that marshalls the defense cos we are sorely lacking someone like that, much like lfc were.

Father Hernandez · 03-07-2019 08:14AM

Jurgen The German wrote: »

How does Maguire stack up against van dyke before he joined lfc? He went for an astronomical fee, was playing at mid level clubs to a decent (that I know of) level but has proven worth the money as he has dramatically improved the entire lfc defense. We are badly lacking leaders at the back, is he (Maguire) the type of player that marshalls the defense cos we are sorely lacking someone like that, much like lfc were.

I’d be interested to see the stats on this one too, Maguire is approx 6 months older right now than VVD when he moved.

I like Maguire, I think he’d certainly improve the United defense, with DDG & Lindelof there’d be a combined leadership we’ve been lacking for quite some time.

Is he worth £70/75mil? Not a chance and it sets a dangerous precedent much like we have done recently with wages, etc but the markets crazy as it is.

As fans, we care most about performances on the pitch and no doubt he’ll improve our defence

Lucas Hood · 03-07-2019 08:16AM

Jurgen The German wrote: »

How does Maguire stack up against van dyke before he joined lfc? He went for an astronomical fee, was playing at mid level clubs to a decent (that I know of) level but has proven worth the money as he has dramatically improved the entire lfc defense. We are badly lacking leaders at the back, is he (Maguire) the type of player that marshalls the defense cos we are sorely lacking someone like that, much like lfc were.

Someone did some analysis of Maguire, Vvd & Diop.
Maguire didn't fair too well.

https://twitter.com/CFC_Analysis/status/1146088495292829697

yabadabado · 03-07-2019 08:39AM

Is Maguire's lack of pace not a big concern ?

damowill · 03-07-2019 09:06AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Someone did anyone analysis of Maguire, Vvd & Diop.
Maguire didn't fair too well.

https://twitter.com/CFC_Analysis/status/1146088495292829697

very interesting stats. No wonder Pep wants him. His offensive stats really stand out, key attributes; passing and bringing the ball out from the back. Which is what Pep wants from his defenders, defending is secondary in his methods. However the big worry for us is his defensive stats, where it looks like he is pretty average. But we also need a CB that can play out from the back and is comfortable on the ball. The modern game requires you to be able to play ball out from the back, especially when you play against high pressing teams. So defenders dont panic, are composed and so they lose the ball in those areas.

v3ttel · 03-07-2019 09:24AM

yabadabado wrote: »

Is Maguire's lack of pace not a big concern ?

He's not coastal erosion/Jamie Carragher slow but that's definitely a concern - especially if Ole wants to press high and there is lots of space to run in behind him.

Honestly think paying £75m for a very good but not great player is just too much. Diop is available for ~£50m, he's 4 years younger, also has PL experience, is comfortable pressing high. He has a great recovery tackle and decent pace when needed. I think he's an ideal partner for Lindelof and they'd complement each other well. Lindelof is good coming out on the ball as the RCB.

I like Maguire as a defender but the fee is just ridiculous.

yabadabado · 03-07-2019 09:27AM

I'd agree on Diop,of all the defenders linked to United I think he makes the most sense if the 50m valuation is true.
Maguire will be an improvement, no doubt but the fee is excessive.

Potential Underachiever · 03-07-2019 09:30AM

v3ttel wrote: »

He's not coastal erosion/Jamie Carragher slow but that's definitely a concern - especially if Ole wants to press high and there is lots of space to run in behind him.

Honestly think paying £75m for a very good but not great player is just too much. Diop is available for ~£50m, he's 4 years younger, also has PL experience, is comfortable pressing high. He has a great recovery tackle and decent pace when needed. I think he's an ideal partner for Lindelof and they'd complement each other well. Lindelof is good coming out on the ball as the RCB.

I like Maguire as a defender but the fee is just ridiculous.

Strange name check for Carra there, I'd never have said he was particularly fast or slow, fairly average I'd imagine. Per Mertersacker is the guy you're looking for to really hammer home your point.

Adamcp898 · 03-07-2019 09:40AM

The big concern with Maguire is when he's facing his own goal. That is obviously less of a concern if you're a team that controls a game through possession because your centre halves play most of the match with the game in front of them. We do not.

Also, I understand the attitude of "it's not my money so what do I care how much he costs" and ordinarily I'd shrug my shoulders, but I'd be fearful that Ed in all his wisdom would spend £90 million on Maguire and then say that's CB done with for a few years now lads, even if it goes terribly.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 03-07-2019 09:53AM

Ake would be a great signing

yourdeadwright · 03-07-2019 10:03AM

Wasn't Maguire deemed to expensive last season and that was off the back of a brilliant world cup for him ,
What has changed that they are willing to fork out this summer

DM_7 · 03-07-2019 10:07AM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

The big concern with Maguire is when he's facing his own goal. That is obviously less of a concern if you're a team that controls a game through possession because your centre halves play most of the match with the game in front of them. We do not.

Also, I understand the attitude of "it's not my money so what do I care how much he costs" and ordinarily I'd shrug my shoulders, but I'd be fearful that Ed in all his wisdom would spend £90 million on Maguire and then say that's CB done with for a few years now lads, even if it goes terribly.

We do not control the ball is not really true.

United don't have a problem when in counter attack mode. In a game v Spurs away for example.

United do control the game, have most of the ball in most games at OT and away to teams like Wolves or Southampton. United often struggle to break teams down so need to improve how they use the ball, this will start at the back with players able to play. Obviously the coaching needs to improve as well but player options are part of it.

Adamcp898 · 03-07-2019 10:17AM

DM_7 wrote: »

We do not control the ball is not really true.

United don't have a problem when in counter attack mode. In a game v Spurs away for example.

United do control the game, have most of the ball in most games at OT and away to teams like Wolves or Southampton. United often struggle to break teams down so need to improve how they use the ball, this will start at the back with players able to play. Obviously the coaching needs to improve as well but player options are part of it.

I guess I should add that it's quite possible to have the majority of possession and not be in control of a game. Just like it's possible to control the flow of a game without the lion's share of possession.

damowill · 03-07-2019 10:40AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Wasn't Maguire deemed to expensive last season and that was off the back of a brilliant world cup for him ,
What has changed that they are willing to fork out this summer

Point the finger at Ed Woodward here. He made that decision last year, one he isnt qualified to make. It doesnt matter if jose was in charge or any manager, Woodward said no. Now he is saying yes. The man is an idiot. Im not sure what his reasons were last season and whats changed this season. I like Maguire, but going for him now is a little strange. You would have hoped that, stats and scouting analysis on Maguire and other CBs that the then manager wanted, would have pointed out his weakness and frailties, that gave Woodward the case to say NO. That obviously wasnt the case because he is still the same player, Maguire 2018 is still the same Maguire 2019.

It wasnt a money decision as we only spent £80m and received £30m in transfers. Not a lot for a club our size. plus Maguire was only 25 at the time a good age to sign a CB.

i dont really want to bring up the whole DoF discussion here as its been discussed already in lenght but Woodward and the DoF is the elephant in the room

dave_o_brien · 03-07-2019 10:49AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Wasn't Maguire deemed to expensive last season and that was off the back of a brilliant world cup for him ,
What has changed that they are willing to fork out this summer

The market, obviously.

yourdeadwright · 03-07-2019 10:53AM

dave_o_brien wrote: »

The market, obviously.

Are you saying they thought they could do better and now they are settling for Maguire at a more expensive fee ?

Father Hernandez · 03-07-2019 10:59AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Wasn't Maguire deemed to expensive last season and that was off the back of a brilliant world cup for him ,
What has changed that they are willing to fork out this summer

Ed Woodward was born

Quandary · 03-07-2019 11:06AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Are you saying they thought they could do better and now they are settling for Maguire at a more expensive fee ?

Get with the modern football program dude. That's how we roll these days.

Sign Fellaini for 23mil now?

Nah, let's wait and pay 27mil later.

Any other club in the world would have bounced Woodward out the football business door and left him do what he is good at years ago. Not us though. It's a very frustrating mystery to which no one seems to know the answer.

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