Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

VinLieger · 02-07-2019 02:39PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

One must also comment on the Lib Dems all wearing yellow "Bollocks to Brexit" t-shirts into the EU today.

Just like the BP, this parliament is not supposed to be a place to argue out national issues, but MEP's (whilst of course arguing for their electorate) are supposed to take the EU as a whole rather than simply national issues.

The UK HoC is the place for this sort of carry on.

And this specifically is the problem, the HoC in its current form is a joke, however like with the UKIP MEP's very few if any of the BP MEP's have ever been elected as an MP so they think stupid actions such as this are what being an elected representative is about as it is similar to the petty theatrics they've seen play out in westminster over the past 3 years.

The likes of widdecombe should know better but id agree with the speculation she may be going senile

Strazdas · 02-07-2019 02:42PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

One must also comment on the Lib Dems all wearing yellow "Bollocks to Brexit" t-shirts into the EU today.

Just like the BP, this parliament is not supposed to be a place to argue out national issues, but MEP's (whilst of course arguing for their electorate) are supposed to take the EU as a whole rather than simply national issues.

The UK HoC is the place for this sort of carry on.

I think they might have gotten away with the 'Stop Brexit' logo on the front, but the other one on the back was too much to wear into a Parliament

Hurrache · 02-07-2019 03:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Meanwhile outside the EU parliament, Catalan separatists staged a protest about being refused entry to the Parliament.

That's down to the Spanish government though, not the EU.

RobertKK · 02-07-2019 03:19PM

The anthem of the council of Europe comprising 47 countries and the flag of the council of Europe is the same as the EU anthem and flag.
The UK will remain a member of the council of Europe after Brexit.
The Brexit party just showed how ignorant they are when it comes to Europe.

Professor Moriarty · 02-07-2019 03:27PM

Right now, the Brexit Party's ignorance is on the front page of Der Spiegel, Le Figaro, El Pais and Corriere della Sera

J Mysterio · 02-07-2019 03:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Meanwhile outside the EU parliament, Catalan separatists staged a protest about being refused entry to the Parliament.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48838498

Don't have any sympathy for them, in particular Puigdemont.

Sam Russell · 02-07-2019 04:07PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Right now, the Brexit Party's ignorance is on the front page of Der Spiegel, Le Figaro, El Pais and Corriere della Sera

They are not totally ignorant - at least they recognised it as the EU anthem. Apart from that - completely ill mannered and ignorant.

First Up · 02-07-2019 04:20PM

Sam Russell wrote:

They are not totally ignorant - at least they recognised it as the EU anthem. Apart from that - completely ill mannered and ignorant.

As my dear mother would say, no point being ignorant unless you show it.

Silly little people do silly little things. Thats seven more words than this deserves.

VinLieger · 02-07-2019 04:25PM

Christ..... Daly and Wallace wore "free assange" t-shirts, they are nearly as much of an embarrassment

Nody · 02-07-2019 04:32PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The anthem of the council of Europe comprising 47 countries and the flag of the council of Europe is the same as the EU anthem and flag.
The UK will remain a member of the council of Europe after Brexit.
The Brexit party just showed how ignorant they are when it comes to Europe.

You're talking about a party that thinks Gay conversion therapy works; they really don't have anything to show when it comes to ignorance at this stage short of stating that the earth is flat or similar.

Laois_Man · 02-07-2019 04:58PM

You can tell Farage is worried about it backfiring when he goes in front of the camera's and gives a totally dishonest account of what happened

His description here in no way matches the full footage here where they were sniggering after precisely 8 seconds and standing with their back turned right from the start of the anthem!

VinLieger wrote: »

They actually don't, brian crowley had the lowest attendance record for the last 2 EU parliaments and got paid as well as collected his expenses

And Farage's attendance wasn't much better. It's only the first day of term. My mate in school used to mitch 99% of school days but always showed up for the first day of the new school year. No difference here. You won't see them in those seats next week.

Joe_ Public · 02-07-2019 05:03PM

Couple of observations about todays tory party hustings that may or may not have been previously mentioned:

Johnson prattles on ad nauseum about the supposed horrors of Corbyn and the most dangerous cabal ever getting their hands on the reins of power and leading the country to disaster when it is Johnson himself and his ever more dangerous cabal that is hurtling the UK ever closer to the cliff face and a chaos not seen since the last world war. Go figure.

Hunt looks out over his grey suited and grey haired audience and declares solemnly that we need more younger people to join the Conservative Party. In other words, you people gathered here are the problem and need to be replaced, but please vote for me in the leadership contest anyway. I know, albeit by his own estimation, that Hunt is the greatest entrepreneur that ever lived in the history of the galaxy but i'm increasingly of the notion that he really isn't the brightest spark in the room at all.

Loafing Oaf · 02-07-2019 05:10PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Couple of observations about todays tory party hustings that may or may not have been previously mentioned:

Johnson prattles on ad nauseum about the supposed horrors of Corbyn and the most dangerous cabal ever getting their hands on the reins of power and leading the country to disaster when it is Johnson himself and his ever more dangerous cabal that is hurtling the UK ever closer to the cliff face and a chaos not seen since the last world war. Go figure.

Well obviously the vast majority of his audience don't see things like that, and they're the people he has to win over, or more precisely keep on his side I suppose. What Bojo himself believes in his heart of hearts, who knows?

Sam Russell · 02-07-2019 05:22PM

I was amazed that there are 500 members of the Conservative party in NI or did they ship in 450 from elsewhere, or are they paid actors like Trump used when he initially launched his bid for PORTUS.

Strazdas · 02-07-2019 05:26PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

You can tell Farage is worried about it backfiring when he goes in front of the camera's and gives a totally dishonest account of what happened

His description here in no way matches the full footage here where they were sniggering after precisely 8 seconds and standing with their back turned right from the start of the anthem!

It's nonsense that only countries have flags and anthems. Organisations and international bodies have them too : UEFA has them, so does Eurovision, the International Olympic Committee, the IAAF etc

Laois_Man · 02-07-2019 05:32PM

Strazdas wrote: »

It's nonsense that only countries have flags and anthems. Organisations and international bodies have them too : UEFA has them, so does Eurovision, the International Olympic Committee, the IAAF etc

And NATO - Who, like the EU with it's ECJ which they're so annoyed about, also has the ICJ which they never mention!

Stop moaning ffs · 02-07-2019 05:39PM

Doesn’t the British commonwealth have an anthem aside from that awful GSTQ dirge ?

Joe_ Public · 02-07-2019 05:43PM

In one of the rows there's actually a couple of the brexit meps holding hands. What the flip is that about?

MrMusician18 · 02-07-2019 05:52PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Hopefully it's backfired spectacularly.

If I ever go to Twitter and click through comments on Brexit it is always posters with non identifier handles that post exclusively on Brexit. They don't seem to be normal people that engage with a variety of topics, just one and hardcore.

As for the behaviour in parliament today, the Brexit party nor the Lib Dems covered themselves in glory. Europe doesn't need their pantomime politics further poisoning the well. They should keep their theatrics to Westminster.

While parliament want the place for it, disrespecting an anthem is a normal form of protest, turning your back, taking the knee and just sitting are all ways to show that you don't recognize the institution it represents. It should be noted that other populists in the parliament didn't stand.

Laois_Man · 02-07-2019 05:53PM

Murmurs that Donald Tusk had proposed Leo Varadkar as one of 3 names to assume the role European Commission President to replace Junker, and Leo asked not to be considered.

It might have been good to have an Irishman in the role with the advent of Brexit

And might also have been good to have Simon Coveney assume the role of Taoiseach!

Strazdas · 02-07-2019 06:25PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

Murmurs that Donald Tusk had proposed Leo Varadkar as one of 3 names to assume the role European Commission President to replace Junker, and Leo asked not to be considered.

It might have been good to have an Irishman in the role with the advent of Brexit

And might also have been good to have Simon Coveney assume the role of Taoiseach!

I imagine Varadkar's thinking is that it is way too soon in his career. He's only been Taoiseach for two years and is still a young man.

devnull · 02-07-2019 06:26PM

In the UK at the moment and local Tory association is running a campaign at grass roots level to back Boris on the basis that he will not allow the EU to put up a hard border against the wishes of the UK and if the Irish government or the EU put one up they will be breaking the Good Friday agreement and will have blood on their hands.

The groundwork is really now being laid for the usual Tory party policy of doing everything behind the scenes that messed the country up but finding some else to blame. See also, blaming the Mayor of London for knife crime whilst making big cuts to policing.

The Tory party are good at two things, willfully derelicting their duties and having a blame culture so everyone is to blame but themselves. The arrogance of Boris and the wider party is staggering, but the Brexiteers are now lapping it up. My father lives in ENgland and basically is repeating every word that Boris mutters!

The arrogance of the Brits is still very much alive and well, they make a list and everyone else must agree to it and if they are not then they see it as punishment. The thing is, the older population for the most part don't see that it's not punishment at all, it's called the consequences of leaving and honest people would take responsibility for that, but the Tory party aren't honest at all, they have huge deelusions of grandeur.

I know of several families now where relationships have completely broken down and people are not talking to each other over the whole thing. This is directly caused by many of those politicians who have not been honest with the electorate and have sewn division for their own agendas. It is an absolute disgrace and if I was living there right now I would be so angry, just as well I only work there some of the time.

Enzokk · 02-07-2019 06:42PM

The European Council has reached agreement on the leadership for EU institutions.

https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1146102183034785792

https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1146102257555050496

https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1146102340732235776

https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1146102409959227395

Women to head top EU institutions for first time

Two women have been backed by the EU’s leaders to head the European commission and European Central Bank, breaking with more than 60 years of male dominance at the top of the bloc’s institutions.

After three days of tortuous negotiations, Germany’s defence minister, Ursula von der Leyen, received the support of heads of state and government to replace Jean-Claude Juncker as president of the commission in Brussels. And the French managing director of the International Monetary Fund, Christine Lagarde, will move to Frankfurt to take over from Mario Draghi as the first female president of the ECB.

KildareP · 02-07-2019 06:46PM

Nigel getting a fair bit of abuse on his LBC show tonight.

gooch2k9 · 02-07-2019 06:46PM

I'd say The Telegraph's cartoonists are already digging for dirt on the nominees. They'll miss Juncker and his wine.

As for the number of conservatives here in NI, they do run candidates in the GEs but I don't think they get more than a handful of votes so I too would be surprised at the 500 count.

ancapailldorcha · 02-07-2019 06:49PM

KildareP wrote: »

Nigel getting a fair bit of abuse on his LBC show tonight.

FYI, if you're watching this on Youtube live try and ignore the chat. It's depressingly predictable.

pixelburp · 02-07-2019 06:56PM

Where has Rees-Mogg disappeared to these days, seemed like you couldn't move without him popping up in every political chattering - including some blather about a leadership challenge? Yet I can't say I've seen his face or read/heard his words in months. Keeping his head down or just frozen out of the "grown up" games?

Feels like his feet should be held much closer to the fire of this debacle than they currently are (though that rings true for a great many people)

Leroy42 · 02-07-2019 06:58PM

Preston did an interview with Hunt today with a few interesting bits (IMO).

Hunt expects that No Deal could end up costing the state 90bn. He never said, or disappointingly was never asked, who exactly was going to pay for this.

The effects of No Deal could be as bad as the 2008 financial crash. UK are still under austerity!

Any of his spending commitments (extra money for MoD for example) are predicated on getting a deal. No deal means they would be taken off the table.

He got completely stumped when Preston tried to work out exactly what his plan was. He said he wanted to get a deal worked out that he could be sure to pass HoC and present that to the EU, but couldn't give a date when he would look to get that. Preston said it would have to be prior to 30th Sept, as that was his cut off date, and he simply changed it to 31 Oct.

The one thing that I clearly take form it, and other interviews, is that neither of them have any real plan beyond New Deal.

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1146091724793700353

Leroy42 · 02-07-2019 06:59PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Where has Rees-Mogg disappeared to these days, seemed like you couldn't move without him popping up in every political chattering - including some blather about a leadership challenge? Yet I can't say I've seen his face or read/heard his words in months. Keeping his head down or just frozen out of the "grown up" games?

Feels like his feet should be held much closer to the fire of this debacle than they currently are (though that rings true for a great many people)

He is staying very much out of it. He cannot be held responsible if he doesn't get involved. But you can be sure he is very much involved behind the scenes.

brickster69 · 02-07-2019 07:02PM

gooch2k9 wrote: »

I'd say The Telegraph's cartoonists are already digging for dirt on the nominees.

Won't take them long.

https://www.efe.com/efe/english/world/spain-s-foreign-minister-fined-for-insider-trading-sparking-calls-to-resign/50000262-3825834

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/christine-lagarde-convicted-imf-head-found-guilty-of-negligence-in-fraud-trial-a7484586.html

Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

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