Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Former Observer wrote: »

I saw a documentary recently about the murder of Maddie Clifton. The perpetrator was a 14 year old boy sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parol. There was no sexual element. Astonishing how sentencing differs depending on the state/country where a crime is committed.

That sentence was overturned on appeal. He is eligible for parole in 4 years time.

Neyite wrote: »

I don't envy the judge right now trying to determine a just sentence for both. He's constrained by the concessions that must be made due to their young age, but has to balance that with the savagery of the crime which feels like a 'lock up and throw away the key' one. Anything falling short of that - and it likely will due to them being minors - will probably result in uproar in the public.

Yes indeed the pure savagery and calculating of it, led the girl to an abandoned house away from their own village to Lucan to put the blame there. I'm sure these thought the Gardai would be racing around Lucan looking for those responsible there when Ana's body was found. No doubt about is a lot of planning & scheming went into this. It was the last pinging from a mast in Lucan of Ana's phone switched the search there other than that her body may not have been found for weeks and there may be no forensics to be got. The fact there was so much protracted scheming went into it embeds their sheer evil. And these 2 are well aware of the enormity of their crime by their systematic denials and not one semblance of accepting the wrongdoing or empathy for Ana's family. I regard all the hugging and landholding in court as just a rouse at playacting innocence. While they were only 13 when the did the deed the nature of what they did defines them.

mrjoneill wrote: »

Paul Henry Gingerich: Killer at 12, Now Free at 19

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what is the relevance? he is nothing to do with the post i was replying to.

Suckit wrote: »

That aside, I think it came out that Gingerich's step-father had been abusing him, especially when he was drunk. So the case was reviewed with those circumstances in mind.
It's not similar to two psychopathic scumbags luring an innocent girl out of her house, and into an abandoned house to beat her to death.

I wonder do any other kids know anything more that they may have been afraid to say. Thinking about it, somebody must have heard something, maybe one of the others in the 'homework' club. Hopefully they decide to tell somebody if they do. It could make a huge difference if Boy B decides to appeal.

I was focusing to sentencing? I have not seen any reports Gingerich's step-father had been abusing him either. And they are totally different circumstances as you state to Ana's mrder.



There are rumors that other kids were propositioned to partake but the Gardai failed to get any evidence for it. I could well see why parents would not want their kid drawn through the courts over an issue that they don't want anything to do with it.

Suckit wrote: »

I know, but even the sentencing would be different here anyway.
I meant Lundy's stepfather.
He was abusive when drunk on (usually) whiskey.

The big thing in these is usually sex abuse but that was not here, but abusive is open to many interpretations. Looking at the case back then it came across to me they didn't like him.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I am watching a documentary about the murder of 11 year old Rhys Jones in Liverpool . It is from the prospective of his parents and the sheer pain and trauma they suffered . My heart goes out to them even now all these years later the pain is palpable . It brings it home how Anas parents and family must be suffering and how they will suffer
But it always brings home how they will suffer if ever these two boys are freed
Surely that should be the most important thing to remember . The familys pain and that they should matter

The shooters mother ended up doing time too. A woman with no redeeming features. The dregs of humanity.

Absolutely 100% hypothetical and a bit of a nonsense post, but....

I saw that a young girl went missing in Lucan on Wednesday night. She was last seen getting into a car (I hope she is okay).
It got me thinking bcause it is close to the area I guess.
What would happen if one of the boys sisters or brothers went missing in the same manner?
Surely they would have to tell the public who they were, as it may be related to the boys actions.
So would they have to name the person missing and the fact that they were related to one of the boys, or would they try and keep anonymity?

Like I said, a bit of a nonsense post, and very unlikely to happen, I just got thinking about it.