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Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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  • #4562
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    juno10353 wrote: »
    Did boy B tell his name to Ana's father, or how did parents know name to give police.

    I think he knew Boy B's first name and they looked on fb to try and find his surname?


  • #4563
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    mrjoneill wrote: »
    There are reports in other social media that there was an attempt to get more of their peers involved in the conspiracy to murder Ana's. There is also reports that these 2 made life hell in bullying Ana and were the main instigators. Could well be why Ana's mother Geraldine had all alarm bells going off when she found out who called for her.

    Maybe you're right. I wonder was there a possibility of Boy B recording it to shie the audience, if he did record it.


  • #4564
    mrjoneill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 536 ✭✭✭mrjoneill


    splinter65 wrote: »
    The 16 year old boy Aaron Campbell found guilty in April of abducting raping and murdering a 6 year old girl on the island of Bhute last year was supported by his mother every day in court.
    She even met his demand that she buy him a tartan suit to wear.
    He too protested his innocence ferociously AND not only testified on his own behalf in the witness box but blamed a totally innocent person naming her and pointing her out in court in a slanderous allegation.
    His mother totally accepted the decision of the jury and he has since admitted his guilt in totality.
    She has not suffered any vigilantism and has returned to the tiny island to live in close proximity to the family of his victim.
    Despite originally telling the media that she wouldn’t disown him, the prison where he’s being held has said that he has had no visitors since he arrived.
    I understand he was locked up in his cell 23hrs of the day with a TV & a games console. Big comedown for an A student with a girlfriend and a prison awaiting him in less than 2yrs and this is being housed separately from the general prison population. Don't know how this monster could ever be released and to how he lied at his trial and doing his best to implicate an totally innocent person.


  • #4565
    mrjoneill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 536 ✭✭✭mrjoneill


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    Maybe you're right. I wonder was there a possibility of Boy B recording it to shie the audience, if he did record it.
    I have no evidence to this only what other have stated. Central to these satanic things is the offering of human life which could be well be part of it. I have no doubt for Boy A the sex assault was big part of it and for Boy B the voyeurism of it all in he stayed to watch to the end.


  • #4566
    Rubberchikken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    i think these two boys are products of their parents in particular their fathers.
    the more i read about their fathers the more i feel they have not been the best male examples these boys coukd have had.


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  • #4567
    mrjoneill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 536 ✭✭✭mrjoneill


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    I think he knew Boy B's first name and they looked on fb to try and find his surname?


    I believe it was a combination of things in Ana's brother and Facebook to put a name on him. They did not know where he lived.


  • #4568
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Rubberchikken wrote: »
    i think these two boys are products of their parents in particular their fathers.
    the more i read about their fathers the more i feel they have not been the best male examples these boys coukd have had.

    What do we know about the parents outside of the case?
    Can you give more details without identifying them?


  • #4569
    mrjoneill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 536 ✭✭✭mrjoneill


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    And what about the parents? Things haven't turned out as they hoped so they get to just wash their hands and pass the buck on to the state alone?

    That might be the easy option for them but as a parent to a child they have a responsibility to put their child's interests ahead of their own and that means doing everything possible to reform the child.

    If you bring a child into the world you have a responsibility to them at least until they reach adulthood.

    I don't mean they should condone the crime or seek to excuse their child of blame, but instead focus on the child's rehabilitation
    Central to any relationship is trust, how could anyone trust the two and how could avoid not thinking on seeing them to what these piece of filth did not only to a totally innocent naive girl but to themselves and their families without any guilt.


  • #4570
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    mrjoneill wrote: »
    Central to any relationship is trust, how could anyone trust the two and how could avoid not thinking on seeing them to what these piece of filth did not only to a totally innocent naive girl but to themselves and their families without any guilt.

    I agree, what they did was disgusting and probably unforgivable. But I maintain that a parent has a responsibility to do what's right for their child and society, and in this case that means assisting in their reform regardless of how heinous their crime.

    They might find it extremely difficult or unpalatable but doing the right thing isn't easy. They brought these kids into the world, they raised them and shaped them. Like it or not, in ten years those two killers will probably be free. Their parents need to do everything they can to assist in their reform so that they are released in a state that's best for them, and best for society at large.

    This isn't about how the parents now feel about their kids, it's about the responsibility they have for their kids


  • #4571
    corpusvile
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 ✭corpusvile


    mrjoneill wrote: »
    There are reports in other social media that there was an attempt to get more of their peers involved in the conspiracy to murder Ana's. There is also reports that these 2 made life hell in bullying Ana and were the main instigators. Could well be why Ana's mother Geraldine had all alarm bells going off when she found out who called for her.

    Thanks for the info I wasn't aware this was going around & I was actually wondering if it was more a bullying club or a club where they talked about dark stuff as edgy teens which then went darker for both boy A & B.
    I reckon the Gardaí more than likely looked into the whole "Satanist cult/homework" club aspects though & as another poster earlier stated, other aspects like the video & pic & would certainly have used it if it could have made their case even stronger. But just some odd strands to all of this all the same. I sincerely hope both get life regardless of their age. They're highly disturbed needless to say & will need lifetime supervision & state control over them for natural life when they're paroled.


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  • #4572
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    corpusvile wrote: »
    . I sincerely hope both get life regardless of their age. They're highly disturbed needless to say & will need lifetime supervision & state control over them for natural life when they're paroled.

    I hope so too, it's all down to the judge.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ana-kriegel-murder-life-sentence-is-not-mandatory-for-children-1.3929558
    It is mandatory for trial judges to seek and consider a probation report prior to the sentencing of a child.

    The reports cover areas such as the level of insight the child has into the offence they committed, whether they accept their conviction, and whether they are displaying remorse for what they have done.

    If a life sentence is given to a child, they serve their detention period in Oberstown detention centre until they are past the age of 18, after which they are moved to an adult prison.

    If the judge considers the three areas there: insight, accepting conviction and remorse I don't see how he can spare them a life sentence. I think the option to not give a life sentence to a child was put in place for very different scenario to this one.


  • #4573
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭pablo128


    Remember, boy B has already been to a psychiatrist who diagnosed him with PTSD. Unfortunately he was also found out lying to the same psychiatrist. That won't look good for him.


  • #4574
    Dirkziggler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Dirkziggler


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    I meant the press at the time when they turn 18 and get transferred. Nothin stopping the press at that time or any prison guards leaking it.

    They cannot be named at 18. It's tarriffed condition's


  • #4575
    Dirkziggler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Dirkziggler


    tuxy wrote: »
    I hope so too, it's all down to the judge.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ana-kriegel-murder-life-sentence-is-not-mandatory-for-children-1.3929558


    If the judge considers the three areas there: insight, accepting conviction and remorse I don't see how he can spare them a life sentence. I think the option to not give a life sentence to a child was put in place for very different scenario to this one.

    Only life sentence issued was too Goodwin. He was out in 11


  • #4576
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    Only life sentence issued was too Goodwin. He was out in 11

    And no remorse shown, which is worrying. You would think that it would be one of the conditions for parole.


  • #4577
    Dirkziggler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Dirkziggler


    tuxy wrote: »
    And no remorse shown, which is worrying. You would think that it would be one of the conditions for parole.

    Parole doesn't come into it with a young offender. Probation.


  • #4578
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    Parole doesn't come into it with a young offender. Probation.

    But was it the parole board that made the decision on Darren Goodwin's release date? And if so what factors do they take into consideration?


  • #4579
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,547 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    Any of you watch Psychopath with Piers Morgan on ITV?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/stayingin/tvfilm/psychopath-with-piers-morgan-gripping-but-can-you-justify-interviewing-a-man-who-murdered-his-a4177531.html

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • #4580
    juno10353
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭juno10353


    Is it certain that both boys will be sent to Oberstown. Surely they need to be separated to have any chance of rehabilitation


  • #4581
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    juno10353 wrote: »
    Is it certain that both boys will be sent to Oberstown. Surely they need to be separated to have any chance of rehabilitation

    Where else would they go? I believe they have a way of separating children held in Oberstown.


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  • #4582
    mrjoneill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 536 ✭✭✭mrjoneill


    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    Parole doesn't come into it with a young offender. Probation.
    When the join the prison population if they do it will.


  • #4583
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    mrjoneill wrote: »
    When the join the prison population if they do it will.

    That's what I figured. And why I find it problematic that the parole board didn't seem to take remorse of the prisoner into consideration when releasing Darren Goodwin.


  • #4584
    Dirkziggler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Dirkziggler


    mrjoneill wrote: »
    When the join the prison population if they do it will.

    No parole board is the commission, even when they go over the 18 mark cause they were youths when convicted probation and social workers will be the ones in control both lads will do 15 max


  • #4585
    Infernal Racket
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Infernal Racket


    I see that journalist Niall O'Connor is in serious bother for naming one of the boys twice on a Cork radio show. Realistically, how is it possible to police this. I know they cant be named publically or by the media but I'm figuring that by the end of the year they will be household names. So how is it possible to stop this from happening and how many more people will find themselves before the courts?


  • #4586
    corpusvile
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 ✭corpusvile


    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    Only life sentence issued was too Goodwin. He was out in 11

    The 16-year-old teen in Palmerstown who murdered seven-year-old John Horgan in 1973 also got a life sentence but only served seven years but is still on life licence. David Curran who murdered Pawel Kalite and Marius Szwajkos was also given life he was 17 at the time. He's out on day release though.

    I'm surprised Goodwin & Curran weren't given anonymity though, considering Boys A/B are. The judicial system doesn't seem to be egalitarian in this regard.


  • #4587
    Dirkziggler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Dirkziggler


    corpusvile wrote: »
    The 16-year-old teen in Palmerstown who murdered seven-year-old John Horgan in 1973 also got a life sentence but only served seven years but is still on life licence. David Curran who murdered Pawel Kalite and Marius Szwajkos was also given life he was 17 at the time. He's out on day release though.

    I'm surprised Goodwin & Curran weren't given anonymity though, considering Boys A/B are. The judicial system doesn't seem to be egalitarian in this regard.

    Anonymity is down to the fact it's a scheduled 1 offence.


  • #4588
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,409 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    corpusvile wrote: »
    The 16-year-old teen in Palmerstown who murdered seven-year-old John Horgan in 1973 also got a life sentence but only served seven years but is still on life licence. David Curran who murdered Pawel Kalite and Marius Szwajkos was also given life he was 17 at the time. He's out on day release though.

    I'm surprised Goodwin & Curran weren't given anonymity though, considering Boys A/B are. The judicial system doesn't seem to be egalitarian in this regard.

    I would imagine the law was not in place then .,times changed and policies changed after the James Bulger tragedy


  • #4589
    up for anything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,791 ✭✭✭up for anything


    splinter65 wrote: »
    He sees the Kriegels as his enemies.
    In his head, their dead daughter is causing him all this inconvenience. And really, if she hadn’t been such a slut and a weirdo, she’d still be alive today.

    You seem to have intimate knowledge of Boy B's father or is this all second guessing his state of mind and how he views the child his child murdered? This is very dangerous for you to go around saying unless you have concrete proof. It's the kind of talk that grows legs in the telling and that could lead to some weirdo attacking the man because they believe what you say and may want to teach him a lesson. Disgusting conjecture.


  • #4590
    Neyite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,946 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    I don't envy the judge right now trying to determine a just sentence for both. He's constrained by the concessions that must be made due to their young age, but has to balance that with the savagery of the crime which feels like a 'lock up and throw away the key' one. Anything falling short of that - and it likely will due to them being minors - will probably result in uproar in the public.


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  • #4591
    Former Observer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 474 ✭✭Former Observer


    I saw a documentary recently about the murder of Maddie Clifton. The perpetrator was a 14 year old boy sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parol. There was no sexual element. Astonishing how sentencing differs depending on the state/country where a crime is committed.

    This Kriegal case will be talked about for a very long time. Really awful. Poor girl.


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