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Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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  • #4382
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    As there is no precedent to sentencing these boys, are there any similar cases?
    I have heard some people mention that they may get out by 18, which seems absolutely ludicrous to me, to think that they would both be out in less than 4 years.
    Or some saying 21. That also seems far too short of a term. I can't imagine either would be rehabilitated that soon. Not considering the violence that was used and how conniving they were.
    Personally I think (actual) life without ever seeing the outside of a prison again would be right (along with being bullied inside), but I understand they will be given the chance to prove they have been rehabilitated.

    Is Darren Goodwin still in Prison?


  • #4383
    TCDStudent1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    Suckit wrote: »
    As there is no precedent to sentencing these boys, are there any similar cases?
    I have heard some people mention that they may get out by 18, which seems absolutely ludicrous to me, to think that they would both be out in less than 4 years.
    Or some saying 21. That also seems far too short of a term. I can't imagine either would be rehabilitated that soon. Not considering the violence that was used and how conniving they were.
    Personally I think (actual) life without ever seeing the outside of a prison again would be right (along with being bullied inside), but I understand they will be given the chance to prove they have been rehabilitated.

    Is Darren Goodwin still in Prison?


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-26-jailed-for-life-as-a-teenager-for-hammering-boy-to-death-to-be-released-in-less-than-two-years-30580270.html


  • #4384
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    IvoryTower wrote: »
    I think we also shouldn't be speculating about boy b's father as well tbh

    This is exactly my point. And with that I will leave you all to it.

    RIP Ana. We will make the scum who did this to you die screaming.


  • #4385
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    TCDStudent1 wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-26-jailed-for-life-as-a-teenager-for-hammering-boy-to-death-to-be-released-in-less-than-two-years-30580270.html


    Thanks, I saw that, it said he was due for release in two years, but doesn't say if he was.
    I was wondering if he had a psychological assessment done and passed, or if he was just released.


  • #4386
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,417 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    This is exactly my point. And with that I will leave you all to it.

    .

    Pity you couldn’t make your point articulately without trying to smear others at the same time .


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  • #4387
    TCDStudent1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    Suckit wrote: »
    Thanks, I saw that, it said he was due for release in two years, but doesn't say if he was.
    I was wondering if he had a psychological assessment done and passed, or if he was just released.


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-can-relax-now-and-not-be-nervous-that-i-would-see-him-mum-after-sons-killer-banned-from-town-35711934.html




    That 2017 article states:

    ***********************************
    Goodwin, formerly of Graigue, Mountmellick, was released last year after a review of psychiatric reports carried out while he was in prison.
    ***********************************


  • #4388
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Pity you couldn’t make your point articulately without trying to smear others at the same time .

    Ditto to everyone who smeared B's dad, an innocent man who's life will never be the same. Bye.


  • #4389
    Tazium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Tazium


    Apologies if this has been solved in the lengthy thread. If the boys serve their sentence and are released only to reoffend, does the state then bear any liability in the failure to reform them?


  • #4390
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Tazium wrote: »
    Apologies if this has been solved in the lengthy thread. If the boys serve their sentence and are released only to reoffend, does the state then bear any liability in the failure to reform them?

    Absolutely not , we have repffending rates over 90%, the state would be sued to bankruptcy were that the case


  • #4391
    Tazium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Tazium


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Absolutely not , we have repffending rates over 90%, the state would be sued to bankruptcy were that the case

    Isn't there a duty of care to the public by the state? Again apologies for taking this tangent.


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  • #4392
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Tazium wrote: »
    Isn't there a duty of care to the public by the state? Again apologies for taking this tangent.

    Clearly not , prisoners have too many rights in this country and how often ‘suspended sentences’ are used for career criminals is a joke.


  • #4393
    OwlsZat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭OwlsZat


    OwlsZat wrote: »
    Yes I would speculate that Boy B photographed or videoed the event.

    As for the parents, yes it's quite obvious both sets of parents have failed massively. When I do parent will be installing keyloggers on my children's devices to monitor for a vast array of key words. I don't see how you can effectively parent without this.
    tuxy wrote: »
    How would this work when the majority of children have a greater knowledge of new technology than their parents?

    Unfortunately there's no one size fits all solutions with parenting. I'd just much rather know what questions my children have rather than guessing. It's time to have a chat about x because they are asking the internet... or talking about with friends.

    There are a multitude of these products available. I'm sure they will improve and get easier to implement such is the rise in internet bullying


  • #4394
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    This is exactly my point. And with that I will leave you all to it.

    RIP Ana. We will make the scum who did this to you die screaming.

    So your point was actually not to disrespect the family of a murdered child, but in fact to teach everyone else here a lesson?
    Is that how you argue everything?
    Not the best way to get your point across, by any means.


  • #4395
    dudara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    @Suckit - stay civil to other posters and argue the post, not the man.

    dudara


  • #4396
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Ditto to everyone who smeared B's dad, an innocent man who's life will never be the same. Bye.

    I don’t agree that pointing out facts as we know them is “smearing”. What are the facts? Let’s see:
    1. Boy bs dad left his wife to sit through the agonizing Garda interviews where his son was shown to be a consummate wicked devious liar over a period of many hours.
    2. He showed what an utter cnut he was in court with his foul mouthed tantrum when the judge jury and prosecution did their job and only their job.

    Implying that Ana’s father is actually responsible for her death by allowing her out to play early on a bright summer evening is “smearing” though, and lots of posters here will remember you for a long time for that alone.
    Bye now.


  • #4397
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Ditto to everyone who smeared B's dad, an innocent man who's life will never be the same. Bye.

    Nobody has suggested that Boy B's father was responsible for Ana's death yet you have suggested that Ana's father was responsible for her death.

    You are the only poster here making that kind of disgusting accusation.


  • #4398
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Ditto to everyone who smeared B's dad, an innocent man who's life will never be the same. Bye.

    At least he knows what happened his child. A shame he wouldn't extend the same courtesy to the Kriegel family


  • #4399
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    Tazium wrote: »
    Apologies if this has been solved in the lengthy thread. If the boys serve their sentence and are released only to reoffend, does the state then bear any liability in the failure to reform them?

    Knowing Ireland, it'd probably be the reoffenders themselves entitled to the compensation


  • #4400
    FFred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭FFred


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Ditto to everyone who smeared B's dad, an innocent man who's life will never be the same. Bye.
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  • #4401
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,417 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    ....... wrote: »
    Nobody has suggested that Boy B's father was responsible for Ana's death yet you have suggested that Ana's father was responsible for her death.

    You are the only poster here making that kind of disgusting accusation.

    I would imagine he is the only poster in Ireland who would even think that way . No one else would sink that low


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  • #4402
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I would imagine he is the only poster in Ireland who would even think that way . No one else would sink that low

    Pretty much everyone else sank that low by blaming B's dad.... for the record I do not blame Patric, I was trying to illustrate what blaming an innocent person can do. B's dad has suffered enough and doesnt need a gang of keyboard warriors saying he should be locked up with his son. The only people responsible are A & B.

    RIP Ana.


  • #4403
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    TCDStudent1 wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-can-relax-now-and-not-be-nervous-that-i-would-see-him-mum-after-sons-killer-banned-from-town-35711934.html




    That 2017 article states:

    ***********************************
    Goodwin, formerly of Graigue, Mountmellick, was released last year after a review of psychiatric reports carried out while he was in prison.
    ***********************************

    So that life sentence was 12 or so years. Not a lot for a deliberate murder. Not much of a deterrent.


  • #4404
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    ....... wrote: »
    Nobody has suggested that Boy B's father was responsible for Ana's death yet you have suggested that Ana's father was responsible for her death.

    You are the only poster here making that kind of disgusting accusation.

    Nobody?
    TheBoyConor wrote: »
    I believe that the boys' parents should all be arrested and charged with being an accessory to the crime. Boy As mother washed a blood soaked hoodie TWICE! Unless she is intellectual deficienct, she knew what happened. Someone was killed or seriously hurt.
    All four parents stood by these two proclaiming their innocence and interfering brazenly in the face of overwhelming evidence. How they could even show their faces in public after knowing what their kids did is actually staggeringly brazen.


  • #4405
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I would imagine he is the only poster in Ireland who would even think that way . No one else would sink that low

    Im sure he regrets letting her go off that day with B. That doesnt mean he is responsible


  • #4406
    .......
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Pretty much everyone else sank that low by blaming B's dad.... for the record I do not blame Patric, I was trying to illustrate what blaming an innocent person can do. B's dad has suffered enough and doesnt need a gang of keyboard warriors saying he should be locked up with his son. The only people responsible are A & B.

    RIP Ana.

    Nobody claimed that Boy B's father was responsible for Ana's death. Show the evidence for this assertion you keep making?

    Your mealy mouthed RIP on the end of the post is laughable considering what you have said about the family of a murder victim.


  • #4407
    .......
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    tuxy wrote: »
    Nobody?

    That post doesnt say that Boy B's father was responsible for Ana's murder.

    KidChameleon stated that Ana's father was responsible for her murder.


  • #4408
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    ....... wrote: »
    That post doesnt say that Boy B's father was responsible for Ana's murder.

    KidChameleon stated that Ana's father was responsible for her murder.

    Still, claiming that all four parents are accessories is insane!


  • #4409
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    ....... wrote: »
    KidChameleon stated that Ana's father was responsible for her murder.

    No I didnt. Please quote the post you are refering to... I have said multiple times Patric is not responsible.


  • #4410
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,417 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Sometimes its best to open the window and let a bad smell fade away rather than encourage it to linger .


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  • #4411
    .......
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    No I didnt. Please quote the post you are refering to... I have said multiple times Patric is not responsible.

    What, you think I wouldnt be able to re-find it?
    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    I assume anyone criticizing the parenting skills of boy B's father for supposedly not caring what was going on when the garda was in his house the night Ana disappeared, will be equally as critical of Patric Kriegel. After all, he let Ana go off with a 13 year old boy whom he did not know & he did not know where they were going. Geraldine on the other hand, knew instantly that she should not have been with that boy. If Geraldine were at home at the time boy B called, Ana would be alive now. Why was Geraldine so much more in tune with Ana's life than Patric?


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