Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Eric Cartman · 24-06-2019 06:34PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I'm convinced there must have been a conversation and collusion between A and B after the murder. How could B know what would happen next if he supposedly fled the scene?. A could tell Gardai for example "I watched B kill Ana Kriegel". Everything about his behaviour for the next few days suggests collusion and they discussing how to cover up the murder.

it might suggest fear also , this chap that he's mates with is heavy into brazilian ju jitsu and murders and rapes a girl, "if you rat me out your next" being taken seriously isn't far fetched. we're both working in 'i reckon' land here but the fear of being murdered by a mate who knows where you live and your every move combined with shock of potentially witnessing a murder or knowing that you inadvertently led a girl to her death would make for some crazy responses from a 13 year old.

Hannibal_Smith · 24-06-2019 06:34PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

"maybe boy B didn't hate her and hadn't 'never spoken to her'" = im saying they were both friends with her in secret, see this is the problem with this website , any over reaction possible and theres somebody to over react

So, you're not saying they were friends, but you're saying their not not friends? As per your comment:-

Many here have suggested that boy B was not friends with ana , that they never hung around. I find it strange that he knew her address and she would voluntarily go with him were this that case

Kidchameleon · 24-06-2019 06:40PM

Suckit wrote: »

If it was mentioned, surely that would have been a massive bit of information to the Garda and could have saved him the journey of calling to the house a half an hour later.

But the guard called to the house in relation to Ana, the house call was nothing to do with the attack on boy A. Look I dont want to go around in circles with this so I will say that yes, it looks like it was not mentioned from the available evidence, but we do not have much evidence from the meeting in the park so we cannot rule out that A's father did in fact mention it, that is the only point I want to make.

tuxy · 24-06-2019 06:41PM

When I was in school I knew what area everyone in my year was from and if I wanted to I could ask someone and find their exact address. Also remember that Ana's old primary school teacher described her as too trusting and fears others would take advantage of this.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 24-06-2019 06:42PM

tayto lover wrote: »

He stated to detectives that he watched Boy A attack Ana and knock her to the ground and also that he watched him undress her. He said it happened near the door and he watched from outside. He said he went home then.

Later he drew a map of the room when asked to explain where Ana’s body was in it. He drew it and placed Ana’s body exactly where it was found. It had been moved from where the attack took place.

If he had gone home then he wouldn’t have known where her body was in the room because it had been dragged from it’s original place where he said he saw Boy A attack her into the other area where it was found. It was dragged by Boy A using the blue tape supplied by Boy B to the second spot.
He tripped himself up.

To me that proves he was there all along and knew everything that happened.

That wasnt in the IT article, was it?

tayto lover · 24-06-2019 06:46PM

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

That wasnt in the IT article, was it?

It was in one of the reports I read. Think it was IT.

splinter65 · 24-06-2019 06:55PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Maybe they did, none of us were there at the time.

The Garda was quite clear. A man walking with a boy spoke to the Garda when the Garda was searching for Ana.
The man advised the Garda to search in another area.
The man did not point out that he was boy As father.
The Garda only discovered that later this evening.
I’m inclined to believe the Garda even if you prefer not to.

n97 mini · 24-06-2019 06:55PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

So, you're not saying they were friends, but you're saying their not not friends? As per your comment:-

Many here have suggested that boy B was not friends with ana , that they never hung around. I find it strange that he knew her address and she would voluntarily go with him were this that case

Dense suburban area. Most kids know where other kids the same age/in the same year live. They don't have to be friends. My kids knows the kid two doors up, but they're not friends.

Strazdas · 24-06-2019 06:57PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

it might suggest fear also , this chap that he's mates with is heavy into brazilian ju jitsu and murders and rapes a girl, "if you rat me out your next" being taken seriously isn't far fetched. we're both working in 'i reckon' land here but the fear of being murdered by a mate who knows where you live and your every move combined with shock of potentially witnessing a murder or knowing that you inadvertently led a girl to her death would make for some crazy responses from a 13 year old.

For sure, but there had to be a conversation after the murder. He was way too composed in his early answers to Gardai and it looks like he and B had discussed what angle to take if questioned.

If he had simply fled the scene, why would he even need to tell a pack of lies? For all he knew, A was telling Gardai that he (B) had killed Ana.

Kidchameleon · 24-06-2019 07:06PM

splinter65 wrote: »

The Garda was quite clear. A man walking with a boy spoke to the Garda when the Garda was searching for Ana.
The man advised the Garda to search in another area.
The man did not point out that he was boy As father.
The Garda only discovered that later this evening.
I’m inclined to believe the Garda even if you prefer not to.

At the time of the meeting in the park, was boy A under any suspicion? It is my understanding that A and B became under suspicion later that evening. If I am correct, then that means the guard was not at the time in any way interested in boy A and boy A's father was not in any way suspicious of his sons involvement. So why would A's dad mention who his son was?

Oh and I believe everything the guard said by the way, I'm not sure why you think I dont.

pablo128 · 24-06-2019 07:09PM

What puzzles me is why boy A was out walking if he had leg injuries causing him to limp.

tuxy · 24-06-2019 07:10PM

Strazdas wrote: »

For sure, but there had to be a conversation after the murder. He was way too composed in his early answers to Gardai and it looks like he and B had discussed what angle to take if questioned.

If he had simply fled the scene, why would he even need to tell a pack of lies? For all he knew, A was telling Gardai that he (B) had killed Ana.

Later he admitted to misunderstanding the law. He was under the impression that he could only get a small punishment lasting a few weeks at most since he didn't actually do any of the physical harm. That's possibly why he was so calm.

Cryptopagan · 24-06-2019 07:16PM

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

That wasnt in the IT article, was it?

That claim has come up several times in the thread but I’ve yet to see a source for it. It’s not in the IT article.

mrjoneill · 24-06-2019 07:17PM

Strazdas wrote: »

For sure, but there had to be a conversation after the murder. He was way too composed in his early answers to Gardai and it looks like he and B had discussed what angle to take if questioned.

If he had simply fled the scene, why would he even need to tell a pack of lies? For all he knew, A was telling Gardai that he (B) had killed Ana.

Boy B made a statement on the first day implicating meeting Boy A.They were then free to go till arrested 10days after. I understand Boy A & Boy B hung out together during that period walking the streets of theirarea together. They tough they had beaten the sys.

tuxy · 24-06-2019 07:41PM

bardij wrote: »

If you are going to criticise a post I'd appreciate an explanation.

I think he has issue with you pointing out you're the blurry image with the red shirt. No one was going to question if you were there or not. The rest of the post was fine.

Kidchameleon · 24-06-2019 07:44PM

bardij wrote: »

If you are going to criticise a post I'd appreciate an explanation.

OK now this is not an attack on you personally, it is a respectful criticism which you have requested OK? So you went to Ana's funeral to pay your respects yes? So why have you come online to boast about it? Who do you think cares that you went to her funeral? Show some bloody decency ffs. It is completely idiotic, egotistical, self absorbed and downright weird to share a video of a young girls funeral and point out yourself in it. Now here's the thing, nobody is going to publicly agree with me on this but everyone secretly does and that is all I will say on the matter.

Road-Hog · 24-06-2019 07:47PM

mrjoneill wrote: »

Boy B made a statement on the first day implicating meeting Boy A.They were then free to go till arrested 10days after. I understand Boy A & Boy B hung out together during that period walking the streets of theirarea together. They tough they had beaten the sys.

I’m surprised the defense barristers didn’t try to get the cctv footage deemed inadmissible based on GDPR leglisation.......if a local authority or gardai can’t demonstrate why a camera is in a particular location ie that they followed a proper protocol before erecting/installing the camera and have proper procedures in place for the storing and subsequent deletion of the footage after a particular time period then the ‘cameras’ and footage from same could be deemed illegally obtained and not useable in court....?

tuxy · 24-06-2019 07:47PM

I'll publicly agree, the posting of the video along with the description of yourself was weird.
But as I said the rest of the post was fine.

24-06-2019 07:51PM

Ironic and more than a little sad, that in a discussion on the brutal death of a young girl whose murderers labelled her "weird", the description "weird" is being applied to other posters.

Kidchameleon · 24-06-2019 07:57PM

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Balagan1 wrote: »

Ironic and more than a little sad, that in a discussion on the brutal death of a young girl whose murderers labelled her "weird", the description "weird" is being applied to other posters.

And nobody would have noticed if you hadn't pointed it out. Streisand effect in full swing.

Strazdas · 24-06-2019 07:59PM

tuxy wrote: »

Later he admitted to misunderstanding the law. He was under the impression that he could only get a small punishment lasting a few weeks at most since he didn't actually do any of the physical harm. That's possibly why he was so calm.

One wonders if this was even a factor in Ana's murder ie. he thought it would be 'no big deal' to lure her to the abandoned house, even though he was aware B intended to harm her.

Eric Cartman · 24-06-2019 08:01PM

Strazdas wrote: »

One wonders if this was even a factor in Ana's murder ie. he thought it would be 'no big deal' to lure her to the abandoned house, even though he was aware B intended to harm her.

I think you mean A intended,

but yeah it has crossed my mind, if B did know id imagine there was some sort of sick manipulating discussion where A told him "nobody will care, nobody will come looking" , I was always somebody who made an effort to talk to everybody , even the 'weird' kid in school , its strange to think how that little bit of outreach could actually save a life from this kind of monstrosity.

Strazdas · 24-06-2019 08:10PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I think you mean A intended,

but yeah it has crossed my mind, if B did know id imagine there was some sort of sick manipulating discussion where A told him "nobody will care, nobody will come looking" , I was always somebody who made an effort to talk to everybody , even the 'weird' kid in school , its strange to think how that little bit of outreach could actually save a life from this kind of monstrosity.

Sorry 'A' intended, yes. But it could explain how he somehow would rationalise in his mind bringing Ana to A. It would reflect terribly on him of course and still makes him a murderer in the eyes of the law.

There are so many ifs and buts here sadly. If Ana's mam had been home, she would have run that little git from the door and told him not to come back.

Eric Cartman · 24-06-2019 08:14PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Sorry 'A' intended, yes. But it could explain how he somehow would rationalise in his mind bringing Ana to A. It would reflect terribly on him of course and still makes him a murderer in the eyes of the law.

There are so many ifs and buts here sadly. If Ana's mam had been home, she would have run that little git from the door and told him not to come back.

I dont think a 13 year old lad thinks in that many domensions on any issue.

tuxy · 24-06-2019 08:33PM

Where has Brenton gone?

Fakediamond · 24-06-2019 08:37PM

If the house was a known teenage haunt, how come it wasn’t teenagers who found Ana first? Do you think the local teens already knew what had happened and where she was and were therefore avoiding the house during the searches?

tuxy · 24-06-2019 08:38PM

Fakediamond wrote: »

If the house was a known teenage haunt, how come it wasn’t teenagers who found Ana first? Do you think the local teens already knew what had happened and where she was and were therefore avoiding the house during the searches?

I very much doubt it. Excluding those two boys most people have some level of empathy.

24-06-2019 08:39PM

tuxy wrote: »

Where has Brenton gone?

Someone who uses the name of a murderer to sign up and post exclusively in a thread about a murdered teenager probably wasn't going to last long.

Eric Cartman · 24-06-2019 08:42PM

Fakediamond wrote: »

If the house was a known teenage haunt, how come it wasn’t teenagers who found Ana first? Do you think the local teens already knew what had happened and where she was and were therefore avoiding the house during the searches?

this happened on a monday, the older teens likely hanging out there to smoke / drink etc.. would most likely only attend at weekends. By the time the weekend rolled round there was a lot of garda presence and the last thing a 15 year old with a 10er of hash in their pocket wants is a gard looking around. Id imagine Boy A knew this in planning but obviously thats speculation.

ziedth · 24-06-2019 08:48PM

I think a worrying part of this (and something I personally never even realised) us how widely reported it has been the Boy B essentially would have walked (or at least been charged with a lesser crime) if he had just kept his mouth shut from Day 1.

I read a very detailed article about the garda interview methods etc and how damning it was that he kept changing his story

Makes me wonder when the next murder comes are they going to try this tactic and take something like a tactic of "No, I refuse to answer, you prove I was involved anything from now will be answered no comment"

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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