Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

GreeBo · 18-06-2019 03:06PM

Black_Knight wrote: »

What about the extra weight of carrying around those extra KWs :pac:

Tell those Keyboard Warriors to find their own transport!:pac:

Fermi · 18-06-2019 03:50PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

I would have expected something like that to be covered under warranty assuming it's a mechanical fault of some kind.

Seems not a mechanical fault, it needs to be "re-gassed" or "re-filled". 250 euro to do anyway.

Silent Running · 18-06-2019 03:56PM

Fermi wrote: »

Seems not a mechanical fault, it needs to be "re-gassed" or "re-filled". 250 euro to do anyway.

Make sure they do a pressure test too. The gas wouldn't normally just disappear over a short time. If there's a leak in the system, it'll all leak out again and you're back to square one. If it is a leak, I would expect it to be a warranty issue.

Mickeroo · 18-06-2019 04:11PM

How often do they generally need doing? Thought it was longer than a year or two.

Fermi · 18-06-2019 04:49PM

Silent Running wrote: »

Make sure they do a pressure test too. The gas wouldn't normally just disappear over a short time. If there's a leak in the system, it'll all leak out again and you're back to square one. If it is a leak, I would expect it to be a warranty issue.

I asked them specifically why it is not covered by the warranty and was told there is no leak, it is just the fact that the air-con has been used a lot just needs re-filling. I am not sure how true that is, but I had it on every workday in the last 2 years for approx 2.5 hours of my commuting time...

Hurrache · 18-06-2019 04:50PM

I think they use the eco refrigerant too which is more expensive, and not yet as easily available in the likes of the tyre places which offer up annual regassing offers as I think you need different equipment to do so.

unkel · 18-06-2019 06:20PM

Dglflyer wrote: »

I was trying to come up with a quick rule of thumb when explaining savings on fuel , if you have an electric car and plug it in at night
(assuming 7c night rate )

Take the number of kilometers on your odometer and divide by 10, this is what you have spent on fuel ( diesel /petrol )

Divide by 10 again and this is what it would cost to "fuel" with electricity

Would you think this is a good "ball park" rule to use

Yep that's a good ballpark rule. For an efficient EV about 1c/km and an efficient petrol / diesel car about 10c/km. Roughly.

unkel · 18-06-2019 06:21PM

Fermi wrote: »

Seems not a mechanical fault, it needs to be "re-gassed" or "re-filled". 250 euro to do anyway.

With your use, that's about normal for a refill. Don't pay Hyundai €250 for it though. There are specialist companies that do this for a fraction of that. Search the main motors forum, lots of people (myself included) have used a Polish lad in ParkWest. Has the professional machine to do it. Charged €45 and did a perfect job, while I waited.

Hurrache · 18-06-2019 07:14PM

unkel wrote: »

Has the professional machine to do it. Charged €45 and did a perfect job, while I waited.

Are many equipped with it? And I thought the refrigerant itself, R1234YF, was a lot more expensive too?

_dof_ · 18-06-2019 09:31PM

KCross wrote: »

That was my first thought too but I wonder would it actually behave that way.

Both Zappi's wouldnt be talking to each other. They would both be independently reacting to the total house load.

If you have 2 Zappis, they do talk to each other and an Eddi if you have one. They use a proprietary wireless network to communicate. According to the manual, it's possible to link 6 devices together and then assign a priority to each.

It does talk about the priority being used to decide where the surplus PV generated electricity is sent, but I assume it also works for grid electricity. Only one of the devices needs to have the CT on the grid connection, so they must be sharing information between the devices regarding the grid limit.

KCross · 18-06-2019 10:40PM

_dof_ wrote: »

KCross wrote: »

That was my first thought too but I wonder would it actually behave that way.

Both Zappi's wouldnt be talking to each other. They would both be independently reacting to the total house load.

If you have 2 Zappis, they do talk to each other and an Eddi if you have one. They use a proprietary wireless network to communicate. According to the manual, it's possible to link 6 devices together and then assign a priority to each.

It does talk about the priority being used to decide where the surplus PV generated electricity is sent, but I assume it also works for grid electricity. Only one of the devices needs to have the CT on the grid connection, so they must be sharing information between the devices regarding the grid limit.

The question is, when it gives priority is it all or nothing as opposed to equal load sharing... which was the initial question.

this.lad · 18-06-2019 11:29PM

Thanks for the replies, it seems like it could have a thread of its own.

One car, the one we have now, would need a charge every night. We're doing over 30k km a year in it. Even only doing 100k in a day leaves it tight for unforeseen trips the following day.

My commute is 30km So in theory once a week would do. However, i often have to attend meetings etc. around the place, even as far away as galway, but they wouldn't be last minute so i could plan for that.

Its more the practicalities of switching over the plug in the middle of the night, if both cars need full juice, that would be a pain in the arse. Between scholl runs, training etc. the 180k in winter gets short!

The bank have approved the loan but I'm still not decided to be honest. Maybe the granny cable would do well enough for the second car if really needed?

Thanks again. Great knowledge in here.

unkel · 18-06-2019 11:38PM

this.lad wrote: »

Maybe the granny cable would do well enough for the second car if really needed?

Yep. It will. You solved your own problem

unkel · 19-06-2019 12:13AM

Got in my car to a 238km displayed range late this morning. Did 3 legs of a trip, all mostly M50 at about 105km/h totalling 66km. When I got home, the range left was 188km. This implies a (mostly motorway) range of 314km. As always a heavy foot and sports mode only. Carrying 250kg of cargo for nearly half of this trip

This 21C weather seems to be just about perfect for EVs

ELM327 · 19-06-2019 08:41AM

unkel wrote: »

Got in my car to a 238km displayed range late this morning. Did 3 legs of a trip, all mostly M50 at about 105km/h totalling 66km. When I got home, the range left was 188km. This implies a (mostly motorway) range of 314km. As always a heavy foot and sports mode only. Carrying 250kg of cargo for nearly half of this trip

This 21C weather seems to be just about perfect for EVs

That effect is more pronounced in the Ioniq.

GreeBo · 19-06-2019 08:44AM

I've noticed on more than one occasion that the range when I get out of the car is higher than the range when I get back in it.
e.g.
Leave house with 217KM, drive 5KM and it will say range is 214KM at my destination.

Get back in to go home and starting range will be 212KM.

Is it just me? (No significant temp changes, this might be 10mins later)

Mickeroo · 19-06-2019 08:54AM

GreeBo wrote: »

I've noticed on more than one occasion that the range when I get out of the car is higher than the range when I get back in it.
e.g.
Leave house with 217KM, drive 5KM and it will say range is 214KM at my destination.

Get back in to go home and starting range will be 212KM.

Is it just me? (No significant temp changes, this might be 10mins later)

I presume it's because the climate control needs to work a bit harder for a couple of minutes after being off. I've noticed it happen too but only if I have CC on, if it's off the range will be the same as when i got out of the car I'm pretty sure.

ELM327 · 19-06-2019 08:59AM

Bjorn noticed this in one of the Ioniq reviews from 2017 too

jusmeig · 19-06-2019 09:06AM

unkel wrote: »

Got in my car to a 238km displayed range late this morning. Did 3 legs of a trip, all mostly M50 at about 105km/h totalling 66km. When I got home, the range left was 188km. This implies a (mostly motorway) range of 314km. As always a heavy foot and sports mode only. Carrying 250kg of cargo for nearly half of this trip

This 21C weather seems to be just about perfect for EVs

Man you got some special edition Ioniq

I have never seen much over 200km.
On motorway I always drive around 110kph, as i've got completely burned before when doing 120+ on longer spins.
I don't think I've made a trip in such "warm" weather, maybe that's making the difference.

Due to the speed of the charge on Ionity, on one run I was able to drive 120 - 130kph, and got 23kwh in 28 minutes! Ionity ftw.

September1 · 19-06-2019 09:14AM

jusmeig wrote: »

Man you got some special edition Ioniq
I have never seen much over 200km.
On motorway I always drive around 110kph, as i've got completely burned before when doing 120+ on longer spins.
I don't think I've made a trip in such "warm" weather, maybe that's making the difference.

Due to the speed of the charge on Ionity, on one run I was able to drive 120 - 130kph, and got 23kwh in 28 minutes! Ionity ftw.

It is weather dependent but also not using cruise control and disabling regeneration would improve range on motorway significantly.

When I got to drive Ioniq on longer distance I was suprised that I made 235km between two fast chargers and still had 50km left to reach another charger. I recall that doing 500km in gen1 LEAF was not that easy in one day, but in Ioniq doing 1000km was quite nice.

jusmeig · 19-06-2019 09:37AM

September1 wrote: »

It is weather dependent but also not using cruise control and disabling regeneration would improve range on motorway significantly.

I always put the regen on full and use the adaptive cruise control, ill have to try your suggestions to see if there is a noticeable improvement.

GreeBo · 19-06-2019 09:39AM

Mickeroo wrote: »

I presume it's because the climate control needs to work a bit harder for a couple of minutes after being off. I've noticed it happen too but only if I have CC on, if it's off the range will be the same as when i got out of the car I'm pretty sure.

Hmm maybe I had the AC on....will check next time

Moreilly · 19-06-2019 09:41AM

highest i've seen on my ioniq was around 255km, normal driving. uasually between 240-250 on the screen after a full charge with this weather , regen normally at 1

unkel · 19-06-2019 10:15AM

jusmeig wrote: »

I always put the regen on full and use the adaptive cruise control

Both are brutal on range. As is A/C. 21C is the perfect temperature to keep a lithium battery in and I drove with the window open and A/C off yesterday. I did have adaptive cruise on for most of it, but it was M50, so set it to 108km/h iirc

Charged last night after my wife did another long trip, car showed 238km range this morning

Silent Running · 19-06-2019 03:08PM

jusmeig wrote: »

Man you got some special edition Ioniq
I have never seen much over 200km.
On motorway I always drive around 110kph, as i've got completely burned before when doing 120+ on longer spins.
I don't think I've made a trip in such "warm" weather, maybe that's making the difference.

Due to the speed of the charge on Ionity, on one run I was able to drive 120 - 130kph, and got 23kwh in 28 minutes! Ionity ftw.

Not really...

unkel · 19-06-2019 05:37PM

That 66km was my trip yesterday, with 250kg cargo, and I'm no lightweight myself either

The wife then did a late night 95km trip to Wicklow on the M11 so plenty of 120km/h driving there. She doesn't drive below the speed limit either

Any driver can easily get this car up to 300km range on a nice 20C day doing some cross country driving on regional / national roads as long as you are driving mostly a good bit under 100km/h

Black_Knight · 23-06-2019 03:38PM

Bumped into some Dublin to Cork EV race in Cashel today. Somewhat rushed me through charging, but I thought i'd given myself enough buffer in my range to be content with the remaining drive to Cork. I was only just on the motorway, so my range meter hadn't fully adjusted to the increased consumption, but more importantly, the rain hadn't started! And oh boy was I in for some rain!

Gave myself 128km for the remaining 96km to Cork. With about 35km to go I was down to about 45km range. At 25km distance I was down to 25km range. Found myself the nearest slow(ish) charger I could and said i'd just give it 10 minutes or so just to be sure.
Kent station! Broken (with a leaf plugged in) and ESB couldn't help. No harm, there's another one just 50 meters away.
Glanmire road! My card check kept failing. ESB got the door open but it failed to charge my car. Subsequent attempts from ESB, and a reboot, didn't help, and my card kept saying something like "Card check not OK". Infuriatingly, a ZOE pulled up, swiped their card and started charging no bother.
Off to Copley street. No drama here, it just worked. Gave it 10 minutes and made my way home.

I wouldn't say I had range anxiety, but I certainly had flakey technology anger! Wasting range and about 40 minutes getting to busted/flakey chargers was not fun. In hindsight, I should of risked getting to the fast charger at kinsale road roundabout... or pulled in in Fermoy

irishgrover · 23-06-2019 05:58PM

I've been in Portugal for the last while, driving a Prius + 2. It is, without doubt over of the worst cars I have ever driven. I have never heard a car engine scream and grown in pain when trying to go up a hill or merge onto a motorway. It's genuinely terrible. My wife commented, regarding the wooful lack of power that "this was what I though the ioniq would be like before you bought it".....
Also, it's averaged 6.7ltr per 100km in the time I've had it....
Totally unimpressed. Can't wait to drive the ioniq again

OO7FITZY · 23-06-2019 10:17PM

Folks, seriously thinking about investing in a new EV and up to now was considering the leaf 40 but with the new ionic out soon I am not so sure now. New car will need to do a 170k round trip with 4 adults once a month, with about half each way made up of motorway at 120kph. Which car is best option, leaf 40 or new ioniq? Rest or diving will be town driving
BTW, Any confirmed launch dates for new ioniq in Ireland ? And if it does launch soon will there be a long lead time for delivery?

September1 · 24-06-2019 08:13AM

OO7FITZY wrote: »

Folks, seriously thinking about investing in a new EV and up to now was considering the leaf 40 but with the new ionic out soon I am not so sure now. New car will need to do a 170k round trip with 4 adults once a month, with about half each way made up of motorway at 120kph. Which car is best option, leaf 40 or new ioniq? Rest or diving will be town driving
BTW, Any confirmed launch dates for new ioniq in Ireland ? And if it does launch soon will there be a long lead time for delivery?

170k could be covered by both cars and even existing Ioniq should do this in most of conditions. Ioniq has European standard fast charging port which is slowly becomes advantage over LEAF's Japanese one. It also has better economy so it would give overall a better range. On other hand LEAF is more available and easy to buy.

Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

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