Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

Tell me how · 22-06-2019 05:32PM

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

He only apologised because the twitter feminists shout loudest and have more pull than anyone else.

You can be sure he doesn't really regret his actions, which he shouldn't.

The Twitter feminists have so much power than everyone else?

Do you think that is why they need to gatecrash a speech of government ministers and bankers and the Mansion House in London to try to get their message heard?

Also, how do you know he doesn't regret his actions?

TheDiceMan2020 · 22-06-2019 05:47PM

Full blown hysteria is what this is.

py2006 · 22-06-2019 05:51PM

Former Observer wrote: »

Some fairly deluded men's rights activists on this thread. Guess they just got a new hero to stand up against their victimization.

:rolleyes:

Sleeper12 · 22-06-2019 06:02PM

SirGerryAdams wrote:

He only apologised because the twitter feminists shout loudest and have more pull than anyone else.

This nonsense against.

We had months of posters stating that George Hook didn't believe in his own apology and he was only pandering to the twitter bragade in order to keep his job. Since his retirement he gave an interview stating that he was wrong to say what he did about personal responsibility. He has also called Ciara Kelly his good friend yet posters claim she stabbed him in the back.

Do you have a screenshot where Mark Field messaged you stating his secret reason for apologising for his actions? Or did you just make that up?

22-06-2019 06:06PM

Tell me how wrote:

Didn't Farage (and his supporters) push for the milkshake guy to be prosecuted?

Yes. Rightly so. You seem to think that going up to a politician unprovoked and pouring milkshake on them is the same as stopping a protester from potentially doing that.

Bizarre thought process.

Tell me how wrote:

Do you think that is why they need to gatecrash a speech of government ministers and bankers and the Mansion House in London to try to get their message heard?

Are Greenpeace feminists?

22-06-2019 06:10PM

Sleeper12 wrote:

We had months of posters stating that George Hook didn't believe in his own apology and he was only pandering to the twitter bragade in order to keep his job. Since his retirement he gave an interview stating that he was wrong to say what he did about personal responsibility. He has also called Ciara Kelly his good friend yet posters claim she stabbed him in the back.

Regardless of whether George hook thought he was wrong or not, it doesn't mean that I couldn't agree with what he said.

I may apologise for something if my life was detrimentally affected by it. I may wholeheartedly regret it. Doesn't mean I was wrong.

Saying they are sorry doesn't automatically mean they are wrong in much the same way as not saying sorry doesn't mean they were right.

Shemale · 22-06-2019 06:11PM

Dante7 wrote: »

A man subduing a woman and exerting his superiority.

A man exerting his superiority over a woman? Sounds like you think men are superior to women.

22-06-2019 06:13PM

Shemale wrote:

A man exerting his superiority over a woman? Sounds like you think men are superior to women.

I'm starting to think we are now to be honest. All the usual equality merchants here are all to happy to don the pigtails and play the poor little woman card.

Equality when it suits.

Shemale · 22-06-2019 06:16PM

Dante7 wrote: »

That was typical male pattern violence against a woman. I'm a man and I can spot it. Stop defending it.

Dante7 wrote: »

I can tell you are a man. Only a man would justify that. This event has been really interesting.

So you are a woman pretending to be a man, a transvestite

Sleeper12 · 22-06-2019 06:17PM

Deleted User wrote:

Yes. Rightly so. You seem to think that going up to a politician unprovoked and pouring milkshake on them is the same as stopping a protester from potentially doing that.

Pouring a drink over someone is assault. The lowest form of assault in law but assault just the same.

Pushing someone against the wall, hitting them & grabbing them by the neck is also assault.

Deleted User wrote:

Saying they are sorry doesn't automatically mean they are wrong in much the same way as not saying sorry doesn't mean they were right.

So Mark Field didn't actually tell you that he didn't really mean the apology or that he gave it due to twitter pressure?

22-06-2019 06:18PM

Shemale wrote:

So you are a woman pretending to be a man, a transvestite

No. He's a male feminist from the looks of it.

*Shudder*

22-06-2019 06:24PM

Sleeper12 wrote:

Pouring a drink over someone is assault. The lowest form of assault in law but assault just the same.

Sleeper12 wrote:

Pushing someone against the wall, hitting them & grabbing them by the neck is also assault.

Indeed. Out of context.

But pouring milkshake over someone without provocation and pushing an intruder against the wall and escorting them forcibly out by holding their neck are different things.

You can frame things any way you like.

The reason people poured milkshake over politicians is because they didn't like what they were saying and felt they could do what they want in public because they didn't like someone

The reason a person pushed another person and removed them was because they were trespassing and had breached security at a high level political gathering and there was a chance of something (like the example in the paragraph above) bad may happen.

Sleeper12 wrote:

So Mark Field didn't actually tell you that he didn't really mean the apology or that he gave it due to twitter pressure?

Why would he? I don't know him and I'm not a fan of his politically. I respect what he did. I don't respect his apology but I understand why he may have done it. It doesn't change my opinion of the matter one iota

Sleeper12 · 22-06-2019 06:30PM

Deleted User wrote:

But pouring milkshake over someone without provocation and pushing an intruder against the wall and escorting them forcibly out by holding their neck are different things.

I agree. Assaulting the protester was much worse and it was a much more severe form of assault than throwing a drink over someone. There is a reason that he has been suspended

Spook_ie · 22-06-2019 06:33PM

Has no one on here ever bumped into a stranger on the street and both people apologised to each other, even though neither were actually in the wrong?

Similar with yer man, it don't amount to a whole heap o' beans.

Sleeper12 · 22-06-2019 06:38PM

Spook_ie wrote:

Similar with yer man, it don't amount to a whole heap o' beans.

Another poster claiming to know that he didn't mean the apology.

22-06-2019 06:40PM

Completely OTT reaction.

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-06-2019 06:43PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Another poster claiming to know that he didn't mean the apology.

Another poster claiming to know the law

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I agree. Assaulting the protester was much worse and it was a much more severe form of assault than throwing a drink over someone. There is a reason that he has been suspended

You keep using this word, has he been arrested/charged? Have the police ordered an investigation with the intention of pressing charges?

If the answer is no then they have decided no "assault" had taken place.

22-06-2019 06:50PM

Sleeper12 wrote:

I agree. Assaulting the protester was much worse and it was a much more severe form of assault than throwing a drink over someone. There is a reason that he has been suspended

Well then sleeper there is no point in discussing this with you if you think that. It's a ludicrous position for you to take but I have no intention or feel any urgency to try and change your mind as misguided as it may be.

Sofiztikated · 22-06-2019 07:07PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I agree. Assaulting the protester was much worse and it was a much more severe form of assault than throwing a drink over someone. There is a reason that he has been suspended

He's been suspended pending investigation. Doesn't indicate wrongdoing.

Look, I'm no Tory fan, I couldn't give a toss about milkshaking, and I'm definitely not right wing. But she was an intruder, suspicious, and noticed. He removed her. Would he have done it if she was a big burly man? Maybe, maybe not. But it doesn't matter.

Sleeper12 · 22-06-2019 07:09PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Another poster claiming to know the law

You keep using this word, has he been arrested/charged? Have the police ordered an investigation with the intention of pressing charges?

If the answer is no then they have decided no "assault" had taken place.

The police are investigating his actions. The victim has said she wont file a complaint. This makes it more difficult but not impossible to charge him

Just in case you don't know the meaning of the word that I keep using:

assault

/əˈsɔːlt,əˈsɒlt/

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make a physical attack on.
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a physical attack.
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22-06-2019 07:12PM

Sleeper12 wrote:

Just in case you don't know the meaning of the word that I keep using:

We know the meaning. It just doesn't apply here. This person was an intruder and her actions were antagonistic. He removed her without causing injury. He was reacting to her provocation and was proactive as to quell any possible threat from happening.

You know this.

ILoveYourVibes · 22-06-2019 07:14PM

If she was a tory she would have sued and pressed charges.

Faugheen · 22-06-2019 07:15PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We know the meaning. It just doesn't apply here. This person was an intruder and her actions were antagonistic. He removed her without causing injury. He was reacting to her provocation and was proactive as to quell any possible threat from happening.

You know this.

How were her actions provocative?

I just saw a woman walking around a room and a man slamming her against a wall.

22-06-2019 07:17PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

If she was a tory she would have sued and pressed charges.

Ugh. It's ok for some people to do whataboutery so.

Sleeper12 · 22-06-2019 07:17PM

Deleted User wrote:

We know the meaning. It just doesn't apply here. This person was an intruder and her actions were antagonistic. He removed her without causing injury. He was reacting to her provocation and was proactive as to quell any possible threat from happening.

You have a hotline to Mike himself and he's told you that he was forced into a false apology because of twitter & now you seem to have a hotline to Scotland Yard. Police are investigating. You seem to know an awful lot of stuff about this case that no one else knows.

If you hit some it is an assault. You are assaulting someone.

Dog Man Star · 22-06-2019 07:18PM

Absolute wanker. Another big man manhandling a woman. When did this become ok? Fighting a woman was the lowest of the low when I was growing up. The state of him. Imagine if that was your father, what a hero.

22-06-2019 07:19PM

Faugheen wrote:

I just saw a woman walking around a room and a man slamming her against a wall.

Then you are looking at it from a perspective you want to rather than what happened.

Yes, you might be correct if you remove all context and nuance.

FFS. Read your sentence again and ask yourself if that is an honest interpretation of what happened.

You are either being intellectually dishonest or you are intellectually challenged.

22-06-2019 07:22PM

Sleeper12 wrote:

If you hit some it is an assault. You are assaulting someone.

There are mitigating circumstances.

Dog Man Star wrote:

Absolute wanker. Another big man manhandling a woman. When did this become ok? Fighting a woman was the lowest of the low when I was growing up. The state of him. Imagine if that was your father, what a hero.

He didn't fight her. He subdued her and forced her out of a place she had no place being.

I see you also subscribe to the notion that women are a protected side of the species and deserve better treatment than men when they do wrong?

Dog Man Star · 22-06-2019 07:27PM

Jesus, when did After Hours become a haven of weak boys and racism? It used to be the most entertaining forum on Boards. The post above this says women are "too protected". Now more than ever, we know how protected they are.

Faugheen · 22-06-2019 07:27PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Then you are looking at it from a perspective you want to rather than what happened.

Yes, you might be correct if you remove all context and nuance.

FFS. Read your sentence again and ask yourself if that is an honest interpretation of what happened.

You are either being intellectually dishonest or you are intellectually challenged.

How is your perception of what happened more correct than mine? Who allowed you to make that decision?

Context? A woman peacefully protesting followed by a man slamming her against the wall. There's your context.

You can use words like 'made a beeline' for Hammond but it's simply not true. You can say 'she could have been armed' but fact is she wasn't. You talk about context? All you're peddling is conspiracies.

Also to add to some more context, Fields apologised. To add some more, Fields got suspended by Theresa May.

Those are facts.

'It's only because of the Twitter mob' is another conspiracy unless you have proof where either Mark Fields or Theresa May confirm this to be the case.

Don't call me intellectually challenged when you are actually making sh*t up to suit your perspective on things.

Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

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