Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Nobelium · 22-06-2019 10:27AM

Necro wrote: »

If it's anything less than life for Boy A it will be an absolute disgrace given he was found guilty of not just murder but aggravated sexual assault which in itself is a heinous crime. Consecutive sentencing would be helpful here in keeping this animal in a cage but the judiciary don't like that here in Ireland.

Boy B should get the same but I see him being released by the time he's 21 at the latest unfortunately.

In reality though, like the Bulger murderers, the so called liberal left will ensure these lads are out by their late teens / early twenties at most, after some cosy care home with PlayStation, pool and xbox all day, and like one of the Bulger murderers possibly some regular sex with the female social workers "looking after" him. They will then be set up with new identities, homes, and jobs . . .all at the taxpayers expense.

splinter65 · 22-06-2019 10:28AM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Patrick Gageby knew well but was probably chancing his arm in a desperate throw of the dice.

It was well worth a try.

spurious · 22-06-2019 10:29AM

Does the law not say the sentences get reviewed at 18? I thought I read that somewhere.

tayto lover · 22-06-2019 10:35AM

forumdedum wrote: »

Intelligent Garda. I like this.

The Garda investigation team had their case well prepared thankfully and there were no slip-ups and as a result these murderers are no longer on the loose.

The defence teams did their best to pick holes in the case too I thought like the above points.

Boggles · 22-06-2019 10:38AM

Nobelium wrote: »

In reality though, like the Bulger murderers, the so called liberal left will ensure these lads are out by their late teens / early twenties at most

It was David Blunkett who approved their release.

David Blunkett told the head of the Prison Service to call in the Army and "machine-gun" rioting inmates to regain control of a jail in 2002, reports say.

Cuckhold Snowflake Liberal all right. :rolleyes:

Nobelium · 22-06-2019 10:40AM

Boggles wrote: »

It was David Blunkett who approved their release.

Cuckhold Snowflake Liberal all right. :rolleyes:

Still was done with massive pressure put on from the liberals, and will be done in this case as well. It's all about "rights" for the murderers and none for the victim or their families.

Boggles · 22-06-2019 10:46AM

Nobelium wrote: »

Still was done with massive pressure put on from the liberals, and will be done in this case as well. It's all about "rights" for the murderers and none for the victim or their families.

Have you tangible evidence of this massive pressure?

The only "organised" pressure I remember was coming from the redtops whipping up the knuckle draggers.

Nobelium · 22-06-2019 10:51AM

Boggles wrote: »

Have you tangible evidence of this massive pressure?

The only "organised" pressure I remember was coming from the redtops whipping up the knuckle draggers.

How long do you think these two murderers should be locked up for, and in what conditions and why ?

Calltocall · 22-06-2019 10:58AM

I find it difficult to have much sympathy for the parents of the perpetrators for a number of reasons but mainly because

A. During boy B’s numerous interviews with the gardai it would of become clear he was lying, changing story when the guards had him cornered etc etc, the guards knew he was lying and continued to probe and well done to them to get him to eventually fess up but even then I’m not convinced he told them the full truth. Where were his parents during all of this, why didn’t they intervene and basically grab him by the scruff of the neck and tell him enough of this **** you tell the guards the truth and face the consequences of what you did to that poor girl but no instead they sat back and allowed him to concoct his web of lies under their watchful eye, it’s shameful, you know your kids and you know when they are lying yet they allowed him to continue with his little charade. If that’s what their parenting amounted to then it’s no surprise what they are left with, an empty vessel of a child who does not fear telling lies and has no core sense of human decency /values/beliefs because he wasn’t taught any and without these we’re basically animals. For this I have little to no sympathy for them.

B. Boy B’s Fathers outburst in court summed it all up for me and it’s a true sign of degenerate behavior when rather than accept responsibility for your own actions you pass the blame onto others, he had no sense of sympathy for the victim who’s child had been brutally murdered, all the hallmarks of a degenerate no wonder the kid ended up in the situation he’s in when there’s no leadership from his parents

Again, I’ve no sympathy for them.

Boggles · 22-06-2019 11:00AM

Nobelium wrote: »

How long do you think these two murderers should be locked up for, and in what conditions and why ?

Hang on there E-Hard, you might have a stab at my question.

Here it is again

Have you tangible evidence of this massive pressure?

I hate condensing debate down to one word answers, but a yes or no will suffice.

Then we will start fantasizing about how best to punish children who commit horrible crimes.

Nobelium · 22-06-2019 11:06AM

Boggles wrote: »

Hang on there E-Hard, you might have a stab at my question.

Here it is again

I hate condensing debate down to one word answers, but a yes or no will suffice.

Then we will start fantasizing about how best to punish children who commit horrible crimes.

The fact that he released them early, despite being politically aligned otherwise according to you, is the evidence.

Now to the question you tried to avoid, and will continue to avoid, but I will keep asking untill you do answer it truthfully :

How long do you think these two murderers should be locked up for, and in what conditions and why ?

McCrack · 22-06-2019 11:26AM

Necro wrote: »

If it's anything less than life for Boy A it will be an absolute disgrace given he was found guilty of not just murder but aggravated sexual assault which in itself is a heinous crime. Consecutive sentencing would be helpful here in keeping this animal in a cage but the judiciary don't like that here in Ireland.

Boy B should get the same but I see him being released by the time he's 21 at the latest unfortunately.

It's not possible in this jurisdiction to put a sentence consecutive to a life sentence so the sentencing judge will not have that option

The Rooster · 22-06-2019 11:31AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm waiting to see the farcical sentence they get. I'm guessing 6 years out in about 4.

There is a very comparable Irish case.

(This is from memory, so some details might be slightly wrong, but overall it’s thereabouts)

Boy in Laois aged 15 horrifically murdered a younger child in the early 2000s.
Judge gave a life sentence to be reviewed after 10 years.
Defense appealed on the grounds sentence was too severe for a minor.
Sentence was upheld on appeal.
Offender moved to a prison shortly after he turned 18.
Judge reviewed case, sentence, behavior, etc after 10 years.
Offender released at some stage during Year 12 of his sentence.

My complete guess for this case is that both will get a sentence up to their 18th birthday, which will be then reviewed at that time and that Boy A will end up serving about 12-15 years and B will be released before going to proper prison.

Gadgetman496 · 22-06-2019 11:37AM

The Rooster wrote: »

There is a very comparable Irish case.

(This is from memory, so some details might be slightly wrong, but overall it’s thereabouts)

Boy in Laois aged 15 horrifically murdered a younger child in the early 2000s.
Judge gave a life sentence to be reviewed after 10 years.
Defense appealed on the grounds sentence was too severe for a minor.
Sentence was upheld on appeal.
Offender moved to a prison shortly after he turned 18.
Judge reviewed case, sentence, behavior, etc after 10 years.
Offender released at some stage during Year 12 of his sentence.

My complete guess for this case is that both will get a sentence up to their 18th birthday, which will be then reviewed at that time and that Boy A will end up serving about 12-15 years and B will be released before going to proper prison.

Is this that case? And he was named!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/boy-16-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-laois-murder-1.992418

Stheno · 22-06-2019 11:40AM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Is this that case? And he was named!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/boy-16-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-laois-murder-1.992418

Yes that's the case

Boggles · 22-06-2019 11:43AM

Nobelium wrote: »

The fact that he released them early, despite being politically aligned otherwise according to you, is the evidence.

Well no.

Detaining them would have been the populous choice. He had a notorious hard line on justice, freeing the most infamous child killers in British History would not have garnered him votes.

Your talking complete pony.

Nobelium wrote: »

Now to the question you tried to avoid, and will continue to avoid, but I will keep asking untill you do answer it truthfully :

How long do you think these two murderers should be locked up for, and in what conditions and why ?

Depends on the mitigating factors, if there is indeed any.

But I'm guessing any opinion I give that differs from yours will just get be labelled a liberal snowflake, would that be accurate?

Nobelium · 22-06-2019 11:46AM

Boggles wrote: »

Well no.

Detaining them would have been the populous choice. He had a notorious hard line on justice, freeing the most infamous child killers in British History would not have garnered him votes.

Your talking complete pony.

Depends on the mitigating factors, if there is indeed any.

But I'm guessing any opinion I give that differs from yours will just get be labelled a liberal snowflake, would that be accurate?

I predicted you wouldn't answer with anything other than weasel words.

How long should they get and what conditions should they be kept in and why ?

Gadgetman496 · 22-06-2019 11:47AM

Stheno wrote: »

Yes that's the case

Due to his age, the life sentence was not mandatory. However, Mr Justice Barry White used his discretion in imposing it, after hearing all the details, including that Goodwin had ‘wanted to kill someone’.

He's out now I guess?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-26-jailed-for-life-as-a-teenager-for-hammering-boy-to-death-to-be-released-in-less-than-two-years-30580270.html

Boggles · 22-06-2019 11:48AM

Nobelium wrote: »

I expected the weasel words.

How long should they get and what conditions should they be kept in and why ?

I answered all ready there chief.

Boggles wrote: »

Depends on the mitigating factors, if there is indeed any.

Nobelium · 22-06-2019 11:49AM

Boggles wrote: »

I answered all ready there chief.

You didn't and I'm not chief, boss, pal, dude, bro, bud or anything else.

How long should they get and what conditions should they be kept in and why ?

Gadgetman496 · 22-06-2019 11:52AM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

He's out now I guess?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-26-jailed-for-life-as-a-teenager-for-hammering-boy-to-death-to-be-released-in-less-than-two-years-30580270.html

Yep out

Goodwin, who was 15 at the time of the brutal attack, walked free from Mountjoy training centre on June 30 this year (2016) after serving just 13 years.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/224362/beast-who-killed-boy-with-a-hammer-boasts-about-making-up-for-lost-time-with-females-after-being-released-from-prison/

Boggles · 22-06-2019 11:54AM

Nobelium wrote: »

You didn't and I'm not chief, boss, pal, dude, bro, bud or anything else.

Sorry Son.

Nobelium wrote: »

How long should they get and what conditions should they be kept in and why ?

The Judge will determine what they get, he has asked for several reports to aide him in the making the decision.

But you want me now without any reports to tell you what they should get and how they should be held?

Impossible I'm afraid.

But sure if it helps your erection, keep them a box for 50 years, then kill them, bury them, dig them up and put their bones in prison?

You Happy Bro?

Stheno · 22-06-2019 11:54AM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

He's out now I guess?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-26-jailed-for-life-as-a-teenager-for-hammering-boy-to-death-to-be-released-in-less-than-two-years-30580270.html

He is served 13 years in total.

I'd expect boy A to get a similar sentence there appears to be a lot of similarities between the crimes.

Boy B I am not sure about

Necro · 22-06-2019 11:54AM

McCrack wrote: »

It's not possible in this jurisdiction to put a sentence consecutive to a life sentence so the sentencing judge will not have that option

Yeah, I figured as much. Really need tougher sentencing laws here in Ireland

Nobelium · 22-06-2019 12:01PM

Boggles wrote: »

Sorry Son.

The Judge will determine what they get, he has asked for several reports to aide him in the making the decision.

But you want me now without any reports to tell you what they should get and how they should be held?

Impossible I'm afraid.

But sure if it helps your erection, keep them a box for 50 years, then kill them, bury them, dig them up and put their bones in prison?

You Happy Bro?

Yep, that's about your level and standard right enough. Happy to have exposed it again.

Boggles · 22-06-2019 12:04PM

Nobelium wrote: »

Yep, that's about your level and standard right enough. Happy to have exposed it again.

I'm pretty sure that is the judicial systems standard and by extension the Judge who has been charged with the decision.

What part is actually confusing you, are you okay?

Nobelium · 22-06-2019 12:12PM

Boggles wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that is the judicial systems standard and by extension the Judge who has been charged with the decision.

What part is actually confusing you, are you okay?

Nothing is. What I'm enjoying is the part where you are too cowardly to give your honest opinion about how much time these murdering scum should serve and under what conditions, and watching you failing to squirm your way out of it.

Boggles · 22-06-2019 12:20PM

Nobelium wrote: »

Nothing is. What I'm enjoying is the part where you are too cowardly to give your honest opinion about how much time these murdering scum should serve and under what conditions, and watching you failing to squirm your way out of it.

I gave my honest opinion.

What do you think yourself there Chief, what sentence and conditions would you think appropriate?

Maybe get yourself a tissue for the answer.

mrjoneill · 22-06-2019 12:24PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

He's out now I guess?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-26-jailed-for-life-as-a-teenager-for-hammering-boy-to-death-to-be-released-in-less-than-two-years-30580270.html

Life sentence is mandatory for murder the trial judge has no discretion. What is discretionary is the time served in prison. This is at the discretion of the Parole Board. A convicted murder is released on license after that to be on their best behaviour. What I understand with the Children's Act the trial judge can impose a tariff, a recommended time that must be served in prison and bring it back to the courts for review. In the Bulger case the then Brit Home Sec imposed a tariff which was appealed among other issues to the ECHR. Irish Children's Act is framed on that judgement.

Nobelium · 22-06-2019 12:32PM

Boggles wrote: »

I gave my honest opinion.

What do you think yourself there Chief, what sentence and conditions would you think appropriate?

Maybe get yourself a tissue for the answer.

As predicted, you've repeatedly attempted to avoid the question and have not answered what you were actually asked :

How much time should the murderers of Ana Kriegel serve and under what conditions ?

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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