Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

Timberrrrrrrr · 21-06-2019 11:13PM

_blaaz wrote: »

Tbf its impressive (or obsessive,idk) youve managed to remember it from 5 years.....i couldnt tell you what i seen on tv earlier

That particular poster has abhabit of contradicting themself so not that hard to remember their stance on things, especially a particularly nasty thing like calling for baton charges of innocent protestors.

Will I Am Not · 21-06-2019 11:18PM

end of the road wrote: »

yes as her protesting is non-violent. if it ever did turn violent, then the law is there to deal with it.

Where would you draw the line? Would you be ok with a bunch of vegans storming your meaty wedding day meal, disrupting everything as long as it didn’t get violent?

Sonny noggs · 21-06-2019 11:18PM

Tell me how wrote: »

I'm not saying she (nor did I at any point) that she should have been handed a microphone but there is such a thing as a proportionate response. This was not it.

Do you think the Chinese reaction in Tiananmen was appropriate?

As for the WMP thing. Draw the correlation between the central arguments of Trump/Farage/Casey. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, it's a.....

Tiananmen Square didn’t happen.

Sleeper12 · 21-06-2019 11:19PM

Tell me how wrote:

I'm not saying she (nor did I at any point) that she should have been handed a microphone but there is such a thing as a proportionate response. This was not it.

I agree.
If this idiot left for security they would have removed her without assaulting her. She put up no resistance. Security would have held her by her forearms & marched her out. There was no agression in this woman at all (judging by the video).

He's paying the price now. Suspended & possibly expelled in the future. Possible assault charges and a possible law suit. I'm betting he wished he stayed at home.

Sonny noggs · 21-06-2019 11:19PM

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Where would you draw the line? Would you be ok with a bunch of vegans storming your meaty wedding day meal, disrupting everything as long as it didn’t get violent?

In his mind they can do as they please as long as they shout ‘peaceful protest’.

gctest50 · 21-06-2019 11:20PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Look that's boards.ie nonsense. I know it & you know it. I've been through hundreds of possible cases and dozens of probable cases. I've sat down with the Gardai dozens of times going over videos after a weekend.

..........

What would the actual offence be if that event occured in Ireland ?

What section of law here in Ireland ?

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Yer Da sells Avon · 21-06-2019 11:21PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

He's paying the price now. Suspended & possibly expelled in the future. Possible assault charges and a possible law suit. I'm betting he wished he stayed at home.

I expect (and hope) that he'll become a milkshake magnet for the foreseeable future too. Whatever about a law suit, he should consider bringing a spare suit wherever he goes. Bit of wordplay there.

Sleeper12 · 21-06-2019 11:22PM

Sonny noggs wrote:

Manhandled? Sexist. He womanhandled her off the premises.

He is a he so he manhandled her. If she did the same thing to him then you could call it womanhandled of fluidhandled or something. Jasus I'm getting confused now

cournioni · 21-06-2019 11:24PM

The gender double standard strikes again!

Plumbthedepths · 21-06-2019 11:25PM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote:

I expect (and hope) that he'll become a milkshake magnet for the foreseeable future too. Whatever about a law suit, he should consider bringing a spare suit wherever he goes. Bit of wordplay there.

So you're against assualt but also for it. Mmmm.

Shemale · 21-06-2019 11:25PM

_blaaz wrote: »

Jesus,mary and joesph
That was like 5 yearz ago

In the imortal words of elsa"let it goooooooooo"

Hopping on your high horse about something from 5 years ago and using a song from 6 years ago to do it

Sonny noggs · 21-06-2019 11:27PM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

I expect (and hope) that he'll become a milkshake magnet for the foreseeable future too. Whatever about a law suit, he should consider bringing a spare suit wherever he goes. Bit of wordplay there.

Thanks for pointing the wordplay out.

end of the road · 21-06-2019 11:28PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

From the poster who once wanted guards to baton charge men,women and children if they attempted to stop a Garth Brookes concert

funnily enough, you forgot to mention how said poster said a number of times already that they no longer subscribe to such actions in such situations.
so another epic fail here from you.
ah well, good luck next time.

Yer Da sells Avon · 21-06-2019 11:28PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So you're against assualt but also for it. Mmmm.

All of which brings me neatly back to my first post on this thread.

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

I'd be interested to see a Venn diagram of people whose bodies are composed entirely of gammon and people who think this isn't assault.

If they're scared of milkshakes, you'd think they'd be needing smelling salts after seeing that, but nope.

tabby aspreme · 21-06-2019 11:28PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

He is a he so he manhandled her. If she did the same thing to him then you could call it womanhandled of fluidhandled or something. Jasus I'm getting confused now

Can you still get Jasus fluid

Will I Am Not · 21-06-2019 11:29PM

Tell me how wrote: »

I'm not saying she (nor did I at any point) that she should have been handed a microphone but there is such a thing as a proportionate response. This was not it.

Do you think the Chinese reaction in Tiananmen was appropriate?

As for the WMP thing. Draw the correlation between the central arguments of Trump/Farage/Casey. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, it's a.....

Yeah, it was a bit over the top on his behalf, just as the fallout from it has been too but people need to understand boundaries. He overstepped his but only because she overstepped hers.

Tell me how · 21-06-2019 11:29PM

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Tiananmen Square didn’t happen.

Really? Are you sure?

Can you get on to the history writers world wide and tell them they've made a big mistake.

Plumbthedepths · 21-06-2019 11:31PM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote:

All of which brings me neatly back to my first post on this thread.

Nice to have double standards I suppose.

Tell me how · 21-06-2019 11:32PM

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Yeah, it was a bit over the top on his behalf, just as the fallout from it has been too but people need to understand boundaries. He overstepped his but only because she overstepped hers.

Did she?
How? She was part of a group that came to complete a peaceful protest. They were identifiable and unarmed.

Protests are an important part of a functioning society. (And I'm not saying every protest is warranted) You deal with them by showing their argument is weak, not be seeking to assault them in to submission or silence.

Sonny noggs · 21-06-2019 11:33PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Really? Are you sure?

Can you get on to the history writers world wide and tell them they've made a big mistake.

Just ask the Chinese government and any Chinese person who has never left China.

A figment of your imagination.

Nobelium · 21-06-2019 11:34PM

He had no idea what the intruder was planning to do as the rest of the guests sat there like lemmings, he did exactly right and only used reasonable force.

Having said that, security was a complete shambles, and he was carrying out an act of last resource.

But as usual the twisted media have the innocent party down as the scumbag, and the scumbag intruder as the hero.

Plumbthedepths · 21-06-2019 11:35PM

Tell me how wrote:

Did she? How? She was part of a group that came to complete a peaceful protest. They were identifiable and unarmed.

So a peaceful protest at any private event is ok?

Sonny noggs · 21-06-2019 11:36PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

He is a he so he manhandled her. If she did the same thing to him then you could call it womanhandled of fluidhandled or something. Jasus I'm getting confused now

Still sexist.

Tell me how · 21-06-2019 11:36PM

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Just ask the Chinese government and any Chinese person who has never left China.

A figment of your imagination.

You probably think you are being funny, these sort of comments actually play in to the stereotype even if I know you don't believe them.

Canis Lupus · 21-06-2019 11:37PM

cournioni wrote: »

The gender double standard strikes again!

Pretty much. She basically got a kick up the hole because she was acting the maggot but because she's a woman he's now a violent white male monster. It's bizarre. You'd swear'd he took a baton to her and hospitalised her.

Nobelium · 21-06-2019 11:37PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Did she?
How? She was part of a group that came to complete a peaceful protest. They were identifiable and unarmed.

Protests are an important part of a functioning society. (And I'm not saying every protest is warranted) You deal with them by showing their argument is weak, not be seeking to assault them in to submission or silence.

They were intruders with unknown intent who forced their way into a private event on private property.

That's not a peaceful protest.

Will I Am Not · 21-06-2019 11:38PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Did she?
How? She was part of a group that came to complete a peaceful protest. They were identifiable and unarmed.

Protests are an important part of a functioning society. (And I'm not saying every protest is warranted) You deal with them by showing their argument is weak, not be seeking to assault them in to submission or silence.

Was it a private dinner? Was she entitled to be there? Genuine questions, I just watched the video and assumed she wasn’t.

Tell me how · 21-06-2019 11:39PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So a peaceful protest at any private event is ok?

Check my previous posts.
The right to assemble to protest should be allowed, the right to deal with an assembled protest appropriately should also be allowed.

It was the latter part on which Mr Field failed.

They should never have gotten as far as the hall if it had been handled correctly but it obviously wasn't and organisers were ill prepared.

Aside from protesting, it's not like Frank Gallagher from Shameless could have just rocked up and walked through the hall.

Sleeper12 · 21-06-2019 11:40PM

gctest50 wrote:

What would the actual offence be if that event occured in Ireland ?

You mean when he assaulted her? Did you see the video? He pushed her against the wall. Assault straight away. He then grabbed her by the neck and frog marched her to the end of the hall. Again this is assault. I'd love to see photos of her neck after 24 hours. She'll look like he tried to strangle her.

In court a judge looks at her walking up the room in a non aggressive manner. No weapons. Nothing. Then out of the blue she is attacked. A judge might ask himself /herself, what if this lady was part of the entertainment. What if it was a comic scratch. I vaguely remember Twink at a FG conference. Not sure if John Bruton or Kenny was leader at the time. Anyway this muppet didn't know if she was part of the show or not yet he jumped to his feet and assaulted her several times. She is black and blue right now. I don't need to see her to know that.

What charges do you suppose he'd be charged with here in Ireland for attacking an unarmed woman in such a way?

Nobelium · 21-06-2019 11:41PM

Tell me how wrote: »

You deal with them by showing their argument is weak, not be seeking to assault them in to submission or silence.

So why did the protesters not do this, instead of forcing their way into a private event on private property with concealed intent ?

Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

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