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Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

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  • #542
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Sleeper12 wrote:
    I just googled for the latest update. I can see where he has been suspended but I can't see any headlines where the victim has stated that she won't press charges for assault. Can you post a link showing this?
    I'm not your researcher.


  • #543
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    end of the road wrote: »
    it was to protest.

    Do you believe that a protest gives her carte blanche to do as she pleases?


  • #544
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,260 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    end of the road wrote:
    it was to protest.


    I'm not going to quote your entire comment but you are 100 percent correct.
    First off all he is not security & is not trained deal with these. There is a long & short video. The longer version shows a woman dressed for the occasion walking towards what I assume to be the stage. She is not doing anything threatening (that I can see in the video) that would warrant security manhandling her in any way. I looks like if I stood in front of her with my arms open she couldn't have gotten by me without her being the aggressor. If she was the aggressor I could have manhandled her out the door.

    This idiot sat in his chair and waited for her to get to him. He sprang to his feet, pushed her (this is assault) & then grabbed her by the neck and manhandled her. Did she resist? Did she threaten him in any way? Did she raise a hand to him? He totally overreacted to the situation. I doubt he'd try the same thing with a six foot tall man.

    There is no debate what he did here. He could end up in jail over this. I do believe he'll end up in court & most likely expelled from his party. Regardless of his motivations he assaulted her & it's captured on video for the courts to see.


  • #545
    Shemale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭Shemale


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    At least watch the bloody news before you comment.

    Is this a pre-condition before commenting?

    Is asking your friend who watched the news ok?

    Should you also check every news outlet on the web too?

    Do you have to read the entire thread first?

    Are tomorrows papers ok?


  • #546
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    The people on here defending him are, with no exceptions whatsoever, exactly the kind of posters you'd expect to leap to the defence of a boorish thug who carries out an unprovoked assault against a woman. Indeed, I get the impression that his victim being a woman gives them an extra thrill.


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  • #547
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,585 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    JayZeus wrote: »
    That twit in the dress was instructed to leave many times before she once again tried to approach senior government officials in London.

    irrelevant. that is what the security are there to deal with, and they did, without incident.
    JayZeus wrote: »
    The guy who stopped her did the right thing and if she had any sense she’d have stopped when he presented an obstacle by moving his chair back. You’d have to be a moron not to see the gig was up.

    he did the wrong thing, and is likely going to pay for it in some way. that way remains to be seen, but being suspended from his job and facing investigation is certainly not the happenings for doing the right thing. what she did or didn't do is small fry and is nothing to do with his actions.
    JayZeus wrote: »
    She didn’t stop, no doubt spurred on by the notion that nobody would physically stop her, perhaps in part because she was wearing a dress and holding her hands in plain view. The hands bit, I expect she had clear instruction/warnings from her colleagues to do so.

    she would have been well prepared and would be well in the knowledge, that a security gard may phisically stop her, within the reules and regulations of his training.
    JayZeus wrote: »
    Well, **** her. Protest on the street

    the street or a building are both equally valid places to peacefully protest.
    JayZeus wrote: »
    but once you set foot in any building at an event like this and are asked or instructed to leave, you should leave. Otherwise you’re not protesting, you’re interfering deliberately in proceedings to which you are not invited or entitled to attend.

    you are protesting, as well as interfering in whatever is going on. either way, a complete non-issue once they were peaceful, which they were.
    JayZeus wrote: »
    She’s not just a protester. She’s a tool and a moron.

    she was a protester. whether she is a tool or a moron is not something you or i can know unless we have met her, which i haven't and i suspect you haven't. simply disagreeing with someone which is i suspect the reason you believe this man did the right thing by behaving unreasonably, does not automatically make the person you disagree with a tool or a moron. neither does protesting.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #548
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,585 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    JayZeus wrote: »
    He did absolutely right by putting an end to her interruption of proceedings.

    he didn't just simply put an end to her protest. otherwise there would be nothing to report in relation to him.
    JayZeus wrote: »
    Anyone who considers that the way he physically directed her out of the room in a controlled manner, despite her refusal to stop and withdraw immediately once confronted, and that he did so without the protection of uniformed authority is an assault, is missing the point.

    we aren't missing the point as there is no point to miss. you agree with him because you disagree with her, that is what i believe is the point being made, which as far as i am concerned is not a point at all.
    JayZeus wrote: »
    Outside, she was a protestor. Peaceful protestors should be protected.

    inside she was a protester, and protesters, even non-peaceful protesters, are protected from excessive force.
    JayZeus wrote: »
    Inside, she became an intruder. Intruders should be stopped in their tracks at such events.

    she was still a protester, and all the rest of the protesters, who were operating in the same manner, were stopped effectively and properly by the actual security, who will be going about their jobs today because they did nothing wrong what soever.
    JayZeus wrote: »
    He was 100% right.

    so far, everything is adding up to say otherwise.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #549
    TCM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 734 ✭✭✭TCM


    Sleeper12 wrote:
    There is no debate what he did here. He could end up in jail over this. I do believe he'll end up in court & most likely expelled from his party. Regardless of his motivations he assaulted her & it's captured on video for the courts to see.


    Without any concern for his own safety he stepped in to prevent what might have been some sort of terrorist attack. Fortunately it wasn't. Well done Mark Field.


  • #550
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Shemale wrote:
    Is this a pre-condition before commenting?


    No but it helps you to make an informed comment. Thought it was obvious but I guess not.


  • #551
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,959 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    end of the road wrote: »
    he didn't just simply put an end to her protest. otherwise there would be nothing to report in relation to him.



    we aren't missing the point as there is no point to miss. you agree with him because you disagree with her, that is what i believe is the point being made, which as far as i am concerned is not a point at all.



    inside she was a protester, and protesters, even non-peaceful protesters, are protected from excessive force.



    she was still a protester, and all the rest of the protesters, who were operating in the same manner, were stopped effectively and properly by the actual security, who will be going about their jobs today because they did nothing wrong what soever.



    so far, everything is adding up to say otherwise.

    From the poster who once wanted guards to baton charge men,women and children if they attempted to stop a Garth Brookes concert :rolleyes:


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  • #552
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,192 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    No but it helps you to make an informed comment. Thought it was obvious but I guess not.

    Well, there have been people who watched the video and said that he was only standing in her way and her momentum when she walked in to him caused her to crash in to the pillar so I'm not sure if some are going to get as far as making informed comments.


  • #553
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    end of the road wrote:
    you are protesting, as well as interfering in whatever is going on. either way, a complete non-issue once they were peaceful, which they were.


    The people who protested against the Gareth Brook's concerts were also peaceful yet you suggested the guards should have baton charged them. Do you understand the meaning of hypocrisy, I know it's off topic but you do need to be called out on your bs.


  • #554
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,260 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote:
    This didn't happen in Dublin.

    It's still called assault in the UK. Jasus wept, our laws are almost identical to the uks laws. What is it about boards.ie that people will post utter nonsense rather than admit that they are wrong.
    elperello wrote:
    I saw an interview with her on one of the UK channels. She said she "won't be pressing charges". No reflection on you for not being aware of that.

    Here's the thing. People say that "I won't be pressing charges" only to go ahead in weeks to come and press charges. Worse still she can sue him, whoever organised the gig, the security company & the venue without ever pressing charges.


    The police are investigating. If she gives a statement she doesn't get to press charges. That's only in the movies. They use her statement & statements of witnesses & the video footage to bring a case against him. If she doesn't give a statement she can be charged with obstruction.


  • #555
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    TCM wrote: »
    Without any concern for his own safety he stepped in to prevent what might have been some sort of terrorist attack. Fortunately it wasn't. Well done Mark Field.

    "This is what happens when people like you disturb our dinner"

    He was annoyed that some uppity plebs disturbed his posh dinner, that's all.


  • #556
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    From the poster who once wanted guards to baton charge men,women and children if they attempted to stop a Garth Brookes concert :rolleyes:

    Jesus,mary and joesph
    That was like 5 yearz ago


    In the imortal words of elsa"let it goooooooooo"


  • #557
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote:
    He was annoyed that some uppity plebs disturbed his posh dinner, that's all.


    How do you know, did you discuss his actions and reasons for same with him?


  • #558
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    love this :pac:


  • #559
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    As for your man....its not assult imo


    But i certainly wouldnt want him going out with any of my siblings either



    .....lads on boards honestly thinking this woman was a terrorist for storming a dinner would want to chill the beans too


  • #560
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,192 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    The people on here defending him are, with no exceptions whatsoever, exactly the kind of posters you'd expect to leap to the defence of a boorish thug who carries out an unprovoked assault against a woman. Indeed, I get the impression that his victim being a woman gives them an extra thrill.

    Remember when a protester was removed from a Trump rally and Trump said from the stage that he wished they were back in a time when that person would have been carried out on a stretcher?

    It seems there are people who privately yearn for such a time as well.

    Trump/Farage/Peter Casey, they see it as a rising tide where the western white male recovers some of the ground they think he has recently had stolen from him. Obviously they are ignoring the advantages the same white male has had for x amount of time.


  • #561
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,959 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Jesus,mary and joesph
    That was like 5 yearz ago


    In the imortal words of elsa"let it goooooooooo"

    A leopard never changes it's spots.


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  • #562
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    A leopard never changes it's spots.

    Tbf its impressive (or obsessive,idk) youve managed to remember it from 5 years.....i couldnt tell you what i seen on tv earlier


  • #563
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,666 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    From the poster who once wanted guards to baton charge men,women and children if they attempted to stop a Garth Brookes concert :rolleyes:

    Blame it all on my roots
    I showed up in boots
    And ruined your black tie affair
    The last one to know
    The last one to show
    I was the last one
    You thought you'd see there
    And I saw the surprise
    And the fear in his eyes


  • #564
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    How do you know, did you discuss his actions and reasons for same with him?

    "This is what happens when people like you disturb our dinner"


  • #565
    Shemale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭Shemale


    I am not sure if

    A) He was hangry, he was waiting for his Foie Gras and Umbongo, a person he thought was the waitress was coming and he flipped, we all do it right?

    OR

    B) Teresa May was about to get up on stage and have a dance off with Diversity

    He could have handled it a lot better, he could have moved his seat out, stood up and just walked he out without grabbing her. It was fairly pathetic, he face and he jumped up, he was trying so hard. She isnt pressing charges but CPS might have a look especially after May suspended him.

    For me the worst part of the video was the end, when they started slow clapping


  • #566
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Remember when a protester was removed from a Trump rally and Trump said from the stage that he wished they were back in a time when that person would have been carried out on a stretcher?

    It seems there are people who privately yearn for such a time as well.

    Trump/Farage/Peter Casey, they see it as a rising tide where the western white male recovers some of the ground they think he has recently had stolen from him. Obviously they are ignoring the advantages the same white male has had for x amount of time.

    Or you know, they are just sick of people thinking they can do whatever they want without repercussion.
    Suppose it’s easier to scream “white male privilege” on your end though...


  • #567
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,260 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    TCM wrote:
    Without any concern for his own safety he stepped in to prevent what might have been some sort of terrorist attack. Fortunately it wasn't. Well done Mark Field.

    Look that's boards.ie nonsense. I know it & you know it. I've been through hundreds of possible cases and dozens of probable cases. I've sat down with the Gardai dozens of times going over videos after a weekend.

    This man was not employed as security. This woman seemed to be no threat. A judge will laugh at him if he goes down the terrorist route. Do you not think that the Gardai would have thought of the terrorist thing during the water meters protest? Instead they stood their ground as the public at large verbally abused them. You do realise that we have a right to protest? In every video I have seen this woman did not do anything in a threatening manner. The first bit of aggression on the video is when he assaulted her. Even then she showed no sign of agression. She didn't resist as he manhandled her to the back of the room.


  • #568
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote:
    "This is what happens when people like you disturb our dinner"


    Dude you loose the small credibility you have when you make up stuff.


  • #569
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,585 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Rubberchikken wrote: »
    what would the response have been if she had detonated a bomb/drew out a knife and stabbed someone?

    will she call 'woman - shouldnt be manhandled' as her defence?

    by all means protest but dont be a moron and intrude where you're not invited.

    what if she did this, what if she did that. she didn't pull out a bomb or a knife. it was very clear that she was a climate activist there to hold a protest.
    if she pulled out a bomb and set it off, one could likely do nothing.
    if she pulled out a knife, the actual security would deal with it via their training as best they can until the police get there to deal with it.


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    Do you believe that a protest gives her carte blanche to do as she pleases?


    yes as her protesting is non-violent. if it ever did turn violent, then the law is there to deal with it.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #570
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,192 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Will I Am Not wrote: »
    Or you know, they are just sick of people thinking they can do whatever they want without repercussion.
    Suppose it’s easier to scream “white male privilege” on your end though...

    I'm not saying she (nor did I at any point) that she should have been handed a microphone but there is such a thing as a proportionate response. This was not it.

    Do you think the Chinese reaction in Tiananmen was appropriate?

    As for the WMP thing. Draw the correlation between the central arguments of Trump/Farage/Casey. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, it's a.....


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  • #571
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Look that's boards.ie nonsense. I know it & you know it. I've been through hundreds of possible cases and dozens of probable cases. I've sat down with the Gardai dozens of times going over videos after a weekend.

    This man was not employed as security. This woman seemed to be no threat. A judge will laugh at him if he goes down the terrorist route. Do you not think that the Gardai would have thought of the terrorist thing during the water meters protest? Instead they stood their ground as the public at large verbally abused them. You do realise that we have a right to protest? In every video I have seen this woman did not do anything in a threatening manner. The first bit of aggression on the video is when he assaulted her. Even then she showed no sign of agression. She didn't resist as he manhandled her to the back of the room.

    Manhandled? Sexist. He womanhandled her off the premises.


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