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Why I am not a feminist and don't believe in 'equality'.

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    #122
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    SusieBlue wrote: »

    Femininity and Feminism are two completely different things. I can't believe I even need to explain this.

    EXACTLY THANK YOU!

    Womanhood and feminism are very different too. And they don't always help each other.


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    #123
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    This talk of feminine traits and masculine traits is very simplistic. There is as much variation within the genders as there are between the genders.
    Massive amount of overlap for individuals.


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    #124
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Should 'attention seeking' go under femininity or masculinity?


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    #125
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Glass fused light wrote: »
    Yes it is.
    Chattel to full citizen

    Does a full citizen enjoy full personal autonomy in this country?


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    #126
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Should 'attention seeking' go under femininity or masculinity?


    Femininity definitely. :)


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    #127
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    EXACTLY THANK YOU!

    Womanhood and feminism are very different too. And they don't always help each other.

    If you are understanding the difference, why are you discussing feminine traits under the umbrella of not being a feminist?

    You are talking about being kind and meek, what has that got to do with feminism?

    And why did you start a thread about feminism if its actually feminine/masculine traits you want to discuss?

    I'm starting to think you are being deliberately obtuse.


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    #128
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    joe40 wrote: »
    This talk of feminine traits and masculine traits is very simplistic. There is as much variation within the genders as there are between the genders.
    Massive amount of overlap for individuals.


    True.

    I am not excluding other genders.

    However (and you don't have to agree with it) i do think there are some basic truths about feminine and masculine traits for most people not all maybe.


    That is just life experience.


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    #129
    Hedgelayer
    Registered Users Posts: 530 ✭✭✭Hedgelayer


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Feminism is NOT a personality trait. You are describing someone who sounds like a bit of an assh*le and blaming the fact that they are a feminist on those behaviours.

    Femininity and Feminism are two completely different things. I can't believe I even need to explain this.

    And satan chuckled.

    Feminism is like spirituality, all over the place and alacarte....

    Take your pick today, what will it be ?


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    #130
    MoashoaM
    Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭MoashoaM


    Stheno wrote: »
    When was the date and what was the event then?

    Did 1 event achieve education rights, equal wages, abortion rights, Voting rights and land owning rights?


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    #131
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    If you are understanding the difference, why are you discussing feminine traits under the umbrella of not being a feminist?

    You are talking about being kind and meek, what has that got to do with feminism?

    And why did you start a thread about feminism if its actually feminine/masculine traits you want to discuss?

    I'm starting to think you are being deliberately obtuse.

    Feminism does not value feminine traits. It devalues them.

    I am not I am actually trying ever so hard to be nice and ...breezy :)

    It is feminism i wish to discuss.

    I do wish you could stop being so linear about it though.


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    #132
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    You don't understand what feminism means, you are describing traits as feminine and masculine, which aren't, they may be perceived as such but its really so broad that it becomes meaningless. You are talking about femininity not feminism.

    Describing a male mistake earlier, what does that even mean?


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    #133
    Glass fused light
    Registered Users Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Glass fused light


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Does a full citizen enjoy full personal autonomy in this country?
    Citizens only enjoy the personal autonomy given to them with in the confines of the legal framework of Ireland.

    Do you have the knowledge of the event and the date of how and when women gained personal autonomy in Ireland?

    Hint that the Irish state recognised that women were not treated as equal within the legal framework.


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    #134
    Fizzlesque
    Registered Users Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Fizzlesque


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    We are too different to be equal.

    Can you elaborate on this part of your post please?

    Perhaps I am reading you incorrectly but when I was growing up in the seventies and eighties, a nasty concept pervaded many parts of women's lives and that concept was that women are not equal to men because they were not as capable as men.

    When someone says they don't believe men and women are equal, what I hear is that they believe men are superior - which leaves women the unenviable spot of being inferior.

    To me, being equal does not mean being identical. We don't have to be the same to be equal.

    It took me many years to learn that I am every bit as capable as the four brothers I grew up with. We are not the same in lots of way, but we are absolutely equal. I didn't even have to forfeit my femininity and kindness in the process of that self-discovery. And I thank the feminists that went before me for the hard graft they put in to change that nasty state of affairs that existed for women in the early days of their fight.


    I hope I misunderstood you and that horrible old outlook isn't making a comeback.


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    #135
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    MoashoaM wrote: »
    Did 1 event achieve education rights, equal wages, abortion rights, Voting rights and land owning rights?


    No ONE event did all that.

    I certainly don't think it was feminism that achieved abortion rights.

    IN FACT I SPIT ON FEMINISMS ACHIEVEMENT ON ABORTION RIGHTS IT WAS PATHETIC>


    What achieved abortions right sin this country was the tragic DEATH of a woman that never should have happened and the GENUINE out pouring of emotion and compassion without shame.

    AND THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING. We should have been having discussions on shame ..feelings ..human stories.

    It took a tragic event for like that for 'feminist' organizations to cop on.

    Flush the academic crap down the toilet imo. Flush my thesis too.

    All that crap is written by people like me nowadays.

    I don't believe it was feminism that made abortion possible. It was compassion. I think feminism was cowardly about the whole thing for decades.


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    #136
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Hedgelayer wrote: »
    And satan chuckled.

    Feminism is like spirituality, all over the place and alacarte....

    Take your pick today, what will it be ?

    What are you even talking about? Satan? Spirituality?

    The person you referred to previously was an assh*ole because she was an assh*ole. Not because you claim she is a feminist.
    If you can't understand that then I can't help you.


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    #137
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Femininity definitely. :)

    Could you clear up something else for me? Is troll thread still a troll thread if op contributes about 75% of posts? Or is it just attention seeking?


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    #138
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    No ONE event did all that.

    I certainly don't think it was feminism that achieved abortion rights.

    IN FACT I SPIT ON FEMINISMS ACHIEVEMENT ON ABORTION RIGHTS IT WAS PATHETIC>


    What achieved abortions right sin this country was the tragic DEATH of a woman that never should have happened and the GENUINE out pouring of emotion and compassion without shame.

    AND THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING. We should have been having discussions on shame ..feelings ..human stories.

    It took a tragic event for like that for 'feminist' organizations to cop on.

    Flush the academic crap down the toilet imo. Flush my thesis too.

    All that crap is written by people like me nowadays.

    I don't believe it was feminism that made abortion possible. It was compassion. I think feminism was cowardly about the whole thing for decades.



    You don't have a clue.


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    #139
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    No ONE event did all that.

    I certainly don't think it was feminism that achieved abortion rights.

    IN FACT I SPIT ON FEMINISMS ACHIEVEMENT ON ABORTION RIGHTS IT WAS PATHETIC>


    What achieved abortions right sin this country was the tragic DEATH of a woman that never should have happened and the GENUINE out pouring of emotion and compassion without shame.

    AND THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING. We should have been having discussions on shame ..feelings ..human stories.

    It took a tragic event for like that for 'feminist' organizations to cop on.

    Flush the academic crap down the toilet imo. Flush my thesis too.

    All that crap is written by people like me nowadays.

    I don't believe it was feminism that made abortion possible. It was compassion. I think feminism was cowardly about the whole thing for decades.

    I agree. :D


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    #140
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,505 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    I certainly don't think it was feminism that achieved abortion rights.

    IN FACT I SPIT ON FEMINISMS ACHIEVEMENT ON ABORTION RIGHTS IT WAS PATHETIC>

    Not all feminists wanted abortion rights to be granted.

    More proof that you haven't a clue what you're talking about.


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    #141
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Fizzlesque wrote: »
    Can you elaborate on this part of your post please?

    Perhaps I am reading you incorrectly but when I was growing up in the seventies and eighties, a nasty concept pervaded many parts of women's lives and that concept was that women are not equal to men because they were not as capable as men.

    When someone says they don't believe men and women aren't equal, what I hear is that they believe men are superior - which leaves women the unenviable spot of being inferior.

    To me, being equal does not mean being identical. We don't have to be the same to be equal.

    It took me many years to learn that I am every bit as capable as the four brothers I grew up with. We are not the same in lots of way, but we are absolutely equal. I didn't even have to forfeit my femininity and kindness in the process of that self-discovery. And I thank the feminists that went before me for the hard graft they put in to change that nasty state of affairs that existed for women in the early days of their fight.


    I hope I misunderstood you and that horrible old outlook isn't making a comeback.


    We are better and worse at some things???

    Oh don't worry nothing is making a comeback. I am entirely original and no one agrees with me.

    To be honest I value women more. I think our personality traits (as I see them ) have more value in the world.

    Compassion is what builds world peace.

    Men just do war.


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    #142
    Sky King
    Registered Users Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    It's hip to be a feminist now. Right Blindboy?

    - Right.


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    #143
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    true-or-false wrote: »
    Not all feminists wanted abortion rights to be granted.

    More proof that you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

    Or more proof that i do!??


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    #144
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Sky King wrote: »
    It's hip to be a feminist now. Right Blindboy?

    - Right.
    I am not cool enough to know what that is all about. :o

    The rubber bandits??

    Let women not rule the world ..but nurture it ...subdue it ...and bring world peace.

    And while we are at it we need to dump the ideologies.

    Just be human.

    And we need to watch HOW we treat and speak to each other. No more milkshakes!


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    #145
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Fizzlesque wrote: »
    Can you elaborate on this part of your post please?

    Perhaps I am reading you incorrectly but when I was growing up in the seventies and eighties, a nasty concept pervaded many parts of women's lives and that concept was that women are not equal to men because they were not as capable as men.

    When someone says they don't believe men and women aren't equal, what I hear is that they believe men are superior - which leaves women the unenviable spot of being inferior.

    To me, being equal does not mean being identical. We don't have to be the same to be equal.

    It took me many years to learn that I am every bit as capable as the four brothers I grew up with. We are not the same in lots of way, but we are absolutely equal. I didn't even have to forfeit my femininity and kindness in the process of that self-discovery. And I thank the feminists that went before me for the hard graft they put in to change that nasty state of affairs that existed for women in the early days of their fight.


    I hope I misunderstood you and that horrible old outlook isn't making a comeback.

    When I was growing up in the 80s there was and still is a nasty belief that girls are smarter than boys, this was repeated to my class over the years, it is a horrible thing to be telling young boys...or that girls mature faster than boys...which is ridiculous, boys mature differently than girls, like girls capabilities are different to boys...

    I have never seen a more repugnant message that what our young men are receiving these days...


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    #146
    Fizzlesque
    Registered Users Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Fizzlesque


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    We are better and worse at some things???

    Oh don't worry nothing is making a comeback. I am entirely original and no one agrees with me.

    To be honest I value women more. I think our personality traits (as I see them ) have more value in the world.

    Compassion is what builds world peace.

    Men just do war.

    Ah, so when you say you don't think men and women are equal, you think it's the women that are superior.


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    #147
    Hedgelayer
    Registered Users Posts: 530 ✭✭✭Hedgelayer


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    No ONE event did all that.

    I certainly don't think it was feminism that achieved abortion rights.

    IN FACT I SPIT ON FEMINISMS ACHIEVEMENT ON ABORTION RIGHTS IT WAS PATHETIC>


    What achieved abortions right sin this country was the tragic DEATH of a woman that never should have happened and the GENUINE out pouring of emotion and compassion without shame.

    AND THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING. We should have been having discussions on shame ..feelings ..human stories.

    It took a tragic event for like that for 'feminist' organizations to cop on.

    Flush the academic crap down the toilet imo. Flush my thesis too.

    All that crap is written by people like me nowadays.

    I don't believe it was feminism that made abortion possible. It was compassion. I think feminism was cowardly about the whole thing for decades.

    Exactly, and when you say femmimisn undermines women you're right.
    I know a few recovering femminists and they look back at how their version of third wave feminism ruined their chance's of having a loving relationship and they woke up to the fact that femmimisn is another movement like religion or socialism.

    Is there a such thing as a moderate femminst ?

    Most straight guy's I know run a mile from femminists, unless they're cucks.

    Thats another story


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    #148
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Fizzlesque wrote: »
    Ah, so when you say you don't think men and women are equal, you think it's the women that are superior.

    Well, women do benefit more from our educational system, and our health system, and our judicial system....


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    #149
    Calina
    Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Feminism does not value feminine traits. It devalues them.

    .

    You really do not have a clue that ever was.


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    #150
    looksee
    Registered Users Posts: 28,235 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    RIP the English language. This is what happens when everyone feels free to use words to mean what they want them to mean. And when students are not permitted to engage in proper debate in University in case someone might be offended.


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    #151
    jimgoose
    Registered Users Posts: 20,176 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    ...Men just do war.

    We do tend to be fans of cutting the shit, overwhelming, mind-boggling force, Teddy Roosevelt's Big Stick - it can be the safest way. The sword that is not drawn is the true sword.


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