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Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

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  • #332
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ILoveYourVibes wrote:
    All the men terrified of a tiny woman. I wouldn't want any of you walking me home at night!

    Trust me, I wouldn't want to. Have you so little respect for women that you feel that they need constant protection?

    This ****ing society! Men can't do right for doing wrong.


  • #333
    Reviews and Books Galore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Reviews and Books Galore


    Actually, I saw the video and her mannerisms are very aggressive and, if she was a man, then there would be no doubt she would throw a punch or worse.

    Sure, imagine a man walking up to you like that in a club?

    And, from what I saw, he never grabbed her throat or even shoved her into the pillar.

    I guess one option would be to just stand up and avoid eye contact until security arrived, or talk to her, but what if she went for his eyes or throat?


  • #334
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    tritium wrote: »
    Yes in a massive shock people do tend to shirk stepping up to the plate in a potential crisis

    Correct.

    The bystander effect, or bystander apathy, is a social psychological phenomenon in which individuals are less likely to offer help to a victim when other people are present. The greater the number of bystanders, the less likely it is that one of them will help.


  • #335
    tritium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    Cryptopagan wrote: »
    Whereabouts on her person do you imagine a woman in an evening dress is concealing a bottle of aci....actually don’t answer that.

    Funny all the posters telling us she’s clutching a handbag, plus the video evidence of her carrying something in her right hand and still you ask te question that way


  • #336
    jeremyj1968
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jeremyj1968


    H3llR4iser wrote: »
    Question 1: Would it have been different if it was security grabbing her and hauling her out?

    Question 2: Was the protester a man, would the same noise be made? Or would the MP been "lauded for his prompt action in the interest of everyone's security"?

    And if the politician had been a liberal throwing out a right wing protester then he would have been considered a hero. Remember the Candaian Ambassador tackled a male protester at a commemoration for British soldiers here, and he was called a hero. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/canada-s-hero-ambassador-tackles-protester-at-1916-service-1.2661929

    If you want to protest, then protest outside in public. If you break past the security and run into a room with politicians/targets and wearing a strange get up, then you should not be too surprised if you seriously reprimanded, no matter whether you are male or female.


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  • #337
    tritium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Which do you think they do most often? Sit calmly or clamour to get out of harms way.
    No one moved in the entire room to try to escape this potential crisis. What does that tell you?

    Generally people only start to clamour and run when they realize the enormity of what’s happening. It’s usually when bodies are already falling and it’s already too late


  • #338
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Trust me, I wouldn't want to. Have you so little respect for women that you feel that they need constant protection?

    This ****ing society! Men can't do right for doing wrong.


    I respect the feminine qualities in women. I don't think we can protect ourselves no as clearly demonstrated in this video.

    I certainly want to be protected yes.

    I am not a feminist.


  • #339
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »
    Actually, I saw the video and her mannerisms are very aggressive and, if she was a man, then there would be no doubt she would throw a punch or worse.

    Sure, imagine a man walking up to you like that in a club?

    And, from what I saw, he never grabbed her throat or even shoved her into the pillar.

    I guess one option would be to just stand up and avoid eye contact until security arrived, or talk to her, but what if she went for his eyes or throat?


    She isn't a man.


  • #340
    Mr.Maroon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭Mr.Maroon


    Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »
    Actually, I saw the video and her mannerisms are very aggressive

    And, from what I saw, he never grabbed her throat or even shoved her into the pillar.

    What video were you watching?


  • #341
    bubbles o hara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭bubbles o hara


    He was absolutely right to react the way he did. She rushed past, obviously holding some things in her arms. Who was to know it wasn't acid,a gun or a knife? He made a split second decision,the right one imo.

    Jo Cox was murdered by a nut job,done in an instant. Who's to say it won't happen again.
    And if we women want equality, we need to stop moaning when we're treated equally.


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  • #342
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,192 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    tritium wrote: »
    Generally people only start to clamour and run when they realize the enormity of what’s happening. It’s usually when bodies are already falling and it’s already too late

    I'd say given how the group had been speaking outside of the room and others as well as this lady had entered the room over a minute before this happened, everyone had a pretty fair idea of what was going on. Even Mr Field.


  • #343
    hots
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    Lux23 wrote: »
    A woman couldn't march a man by the neck out of a room like that, so it would never happen.
    That's a bit sexist...


  • #344
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    hots wrote: »
    That's a bit sexist...


    It's true though.


  • #345
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    joe40 wrote: »
    That ridiculous. That was a middle aged woman, even if he had stood up and blocked her path it would probably been sufficient.

    A real man alright, manhandling a meek looking woman like that.

    I would have no problem a politician lashing out (who was the British one who clobbered a protestor who egged him or something)

    This was totally different

    What was different, he's an MP?


  • #346
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,216 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    I just feel sometimes i can't keep up with you. And you used my lack of intelligence against me. I wanted to show you it affects me. Not just in this thread but makes me think differently about myself.

    It also makes our interaction more heated which is not good. We should be friendly kinder. :)

    I am not saying 99% of men are terrorists I am saying 99% of terrorists are men.

    Oh come on don't be coy. Women and men are different.

    Even in Isis men and women play different roles.

    Its much much rarer for women to be terrorists.

    I know you all want to be metro 21st century men or women whatever you might be but is that really reality?

    Do you really think men and women are the same? I certainly don't. I think there are certain traditional truths.

    That is not a bad thing. I admire men a lot. They have honor. Stoicism. etc. Those are very good things.

    Women are different we have other things.

    This is embarrassing. Its like something from the 1950s, and I remember the 1950s.


  • #347
    dhaughton99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭dhaughton99


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    She isn't a man.

    Maybe she identifies as one.


  • #348
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    She wasn't being violent, he assaulted her. I hope she sues.


  • #349
    TheShow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭TheShow


    Nothing wrong with what happened. He handled a situation and ejected an uninvited guest. She should not have been in there and was only there to cause trouble.

    If it was a man that was being ejected, would this even be a conversation?


  • #350
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,879 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »
    It seems to me to be nothing more than an upper class Tory MP showing complete contempt for anyone who dares to protest.

    Protests should be confined to places and times where they won't interrupt people going about their lawful business. Outside of that, give them the jackboot.


  • #351
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,327 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Nothing wrong with that at all imo


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  • #352
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,192 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Nermal wrote: »
    Protests should be confined to places and times where they won't interrupt people going about their lawful business. Outside of that, give them the jackboot.

    You obviously complete misunderstand the premise and purpose of a protest.


  • #353
    XsApollo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    His first reaction was not over the limit.
    But once the situation was subdued and probably realized he wasn’t in any danger he didn’t need to walk her out as such and he knew he wasn’t in any danger , as if he did he wouldn’t of really walked her out in that manner.

    First reaction not overboard.
    Continuing the reaction possibly.


  • #354
    elli21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 192 ✭✭elli21


    Way OTT from him.

    In his recent letter to London Met police he told them they needed to "get a firmer grip" on these protesters.. complained about been stuck in traffic for over an hour because of them.I think he seen red when he seen who the protesters were and thought these bstards are the ones that held me up that day.

    MP's face peacefull and abusive ,aggresive protesters leaving Westminster every day and don't react like that.

    What did he say near the end?.Can you go to bed now please?Looked like this is how he gets his wife to bed when she's nursing a litre of gin all day


  • #355
    hots
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    Hurrache wrote: »
    She wouldn't have been, and there was no rushing.

    You have to look back over the last month to see how much whimps you've all become.

    Farage gets milshaked - Rosary Clutching
    Jo Brand tells a joke - A decade of the rosary on the aforementioned beads and god save us all
    Women with a handbag - OMG, only for divine intervention we could have all been killed.


    Farage getting milkshaked was pretty funny, no idea how the jo brand thing or this made the news... all non-events.


  • #356
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    For all those that say she was obviously no threat, that's also what this Israeli security guy thought
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4ydRsgNWO4


  • #357
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭joe40


    Tell me how wrote: »
    I'd say given how the group had been speaking outside of the room and others as well as this lady had entered the room over a minute before this happened, everyone had a pretty fair idea of what was going on. Even Mr Field.

    That's exactly right. It is very obvious in the way the MP reacted that he felt no actual danger, just annoyance at the intrusion.

    Everyone else in the room is calm, not in shock, or bystander apathy as someone suggested.

    If the MP was in actual fear of an attack or a concealed weapon his approach would have been more aggressive.

    He behaved like a pompous arrogant prick, at the same time I don't think it was an assault.


  • #358
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    looksee wrote: »
    This is embarrassing. Its like something from the 1950s, and I remember the 1950s.


    Not everything in the 50s was bad.


  • #359
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Nermal wrote: »
    Protests should be confined to places and times where they won't interrupt people going about their lawful business. Outside of that, give them the jackboot.

    No point in a protest that's not inconvenient. It's about being noticed. If they all went into a field in Connemara nobody would notice and it would be pointless.


  • #360
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    For all those that say she was obviously no threat, that's also what this Israeli security guy thought
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4ydRsgNWO4

    I agree there are issues with Israeli soldiers and palestinian civilians. However that is different because it's in the middle of a conflict zone.


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  • #361
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    XsApollo wrote: »
    His first reaction was not over the limit.
    But once the situation was subdued and probably realized he wasn’t in any danger he didn’t need to walk her out as such and he knew he wasn’t in any danger , as if he did he wouldn’t of really walked her out in that manner.

    First reaction not overboard.
    Continuing the reaction possibly.

    He said he thought she might be armed. If she was he'd have been shot with those moves. Also she was passing him he wasn't in any danger.


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