do you think that murderers should be sent to jail?

partyboy · 12-09-2003 03:03PM #1

solice · 12-09-2003 03:04PM

bring back the death penalty

Stark · 12-09-2003 03:07PM

They should be given training like sniffer dogs get, and trained to attack skangers.

partyboy · 12-09-2003 03:07PM

you're a sniffer dog

solice · 12-09-2003 03:08PM

you want to teach a murderer to attack other people. ok, doubts over your sanity

Stark · 12-09-2003 03:10PM

I don't think the death penalty should be brought back. Murder doesn't give the state justification to commit murder. Besides what if a mistake was made, or martial law came in, and people got executed for less serious offences.

partyboy · 12-09-2003 03:11PM

i think you should be brought back

solice · 12-09-2003 03:11PM

we are talking about murder not anything else, and if someone takes a life in all seriousness why should their life not be taken from them

Wook · 12-09-2003 03:11PM

murderers should be placed on a 'battle royal' kinda island and screened for reality TV, so they provide us with many pleasant cozy evenings.

Sposs · 12-09-2003 03:13PM

partyboy · 12-09-2003 03:14PM

good one sposs.

Stark · 12-09-2003 03:15PM

I don't agree with the "eye for an eye" approach. Solice, you're a catholic, haven't you ever heard of granting mercy. Fair enough, they should be locked away for public safety, but death penalty is too extreme.

partyboy · 12-09-2003 03:17PM

Originally posted by Sposs

right back atcha

Stark · 12-09-2003 03:18PM

well duhhh, but what's that got to do with the thread?

partyboy · 12-09-2003 03:20PM

whats anything got to do with the thread?
its a bull**** thread.

solice · 12-09-2003 03:20PM

its a preventitive method. "eye for an eve" it could be construed as. but as far as i am concerned, someone who takes a life is not worthy of living. that person hsa committed a most awful crime (not the worst, there are alot worse crimes that can be committed)

but we will draw a par. is someone who committed one murder less guilty than someone who committed multiple murders. no.

jack the ripper deserved to die. washington rifle dudes deserve to die. timothy mcveigh deserved to die. carla faye tucker deserved to die. osma bin laden deserves to die.

when you take a life you take a life. to hell with them

solice · 12-09-2003 03:23PM

Originally posted by partyboy
whats anything got to do with the thread?
its a bull**** thread.

seriously partyboy, i know you are trolling but if you are going to start a thread at least have the fcuking intellect and brain power to go through with it.

partyboy · 12-09-2003 03:27PM

well done chief, real boring.

Stark · 12-09-2003 03:28PM

It's not always about "what someone deserves" but what is in the best interest of society. Fair enough jack the ripper "deserved to die", but if you follow your argument then what happens when the victim themselves "deserved to die". What if someone was to do away with jack the ripper the way they did away with the general etc. What if someone decides to commit a lynching. Could the argument that the victim deserved it be used in their defence? Because that's the defence you're using for the state.

partyboy · 12-09-2003 03:29PM

i totally disagree

Stark · 12-09-2003 03:31PM

by the way partyboy, you're a dickhead. If the thread is too boring for you, **** off. If you're going to start a thread, like solice said don't start saying "oh I've changed my mind, don't want to talk about anymore". Just don't talk about it any more. Go elsewhere. Start a "fun" thread if that's what you want.

solice · 12-09-2003 03:31PM

so in the interest of society, its fair to put a known killer back on the streets after serving a sentence (which in ireland is only between 5 to 10 years, and a parole board announced that all murderes should spend no less than 12 years in prision)

is it in the interest of society to leave murderes back on the streets after 12 years, i think not

could this please be moved to politics board.

Stark · 12-09-2003 03:34PM

That's a different issue though. I agree that's it not right to have a "life sentence" of only 12 years, but that's seperate to the issue of the death penalty.

solice · 12-09-2003 03:35PM

and so is "mob rule" and "lynching"

Stark · 12-09-2003 03:38PM

Lynching is the act of killing a criminal because it's believed to be "in the best interests". You're stating that the state should get involved in a "legitimate" form of this. Just because the victim deserves to be killed doesn't mean they should be killed. I know lots of people who deserve to be killed for whatever reasons, but I don't go out and do it, and neither should the state (although I'd like to see them arrested, damn gardai).

Stark · 12-09-2003 03:40PM

http://users.rcn.com/mwood/deathpen.html

partyboy · 12-09-2003 03:41PM

saps

HJ Simpson · 12-09-2003 03:41PM

I find it hard to agree or disagree.
Part of me says yep an eye for an eye.
However if we look at the Birmingham Six, Guildford 4 in England they would surely have been put to death. Later however the police were found to be to lazy to actually gather proper evidence.
The gardai have also been found to make up evidence "Donegal" for example.

HJS

solice · 12-09-2003 03:44PM

this is not a debate on gardai, its on pathetic judiciary system that we have.

lynching is carried out by a person or group of people. the last lynching i heard of was by jack ruby when he kille lee harvey oswald. lee harvey oswald deserved to die. he was going to be executed either way. jack ruby was executed for his murder.

state sanctioned executions, death penalty is a means to deal with people who have no respect for life. sure checks and balances will have to be put in to make sure there is no in justice carried out. but when you have a murderer, who has committed an act so grossly against society, someone who shows no remorse for what that person did. then why should we waste hundreds of thousands each year on keeping him locked up and then release him after 12. its bloody disgraceful

partyboy · 12-09-2003 03:51PM

ruby went to jail

partyboy · 12-09-2003 03:53PM

do you think that murderers should be sent to jail?

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