Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

CityRoad · 20-06-2019 12:35PM

fryup wrote: »

@ cityroad....i take it you're from the area?

if so...did these kids have a reputation as bad brats?

I am not local my friend has children one went to primary school with Ana and the other was bullied by Boy A and Boy B, if that child had a different personality, it could have been them.

Yes they were known, in fact her child said the same thing, 'why did she go with him?'.

From what I have been told, the kids knew they were trouble, the school did not seem to care, they certainly do not have seemed to have cared about the child I know.

In fact there was footage filmed on the mobile phone of one incident involving the child I know, the school was more concerned that the footage be deleted than a serious assault occurred in school grounds. My friend found it very weird and made sure she saved it to a few places.

Boom_Bap · 20-06-2019 12:36PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

So he said . Can we believe him ?

He didn't say it, his father said it in court, for no apparent reason.

MrMusician18 · 20-06-2019 12:41PM

tuxy wrote: »

You have no idea what legal advice he got and if he actually followed the advice.

Nope, I don't.

What we do know is that if he said nothing he'd be free today.

iamwhoiam · 20-06-2019 12:42PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

He didn't say it, his father said it in court, for no apparent reason.

So did he tell his father he had lost two phones ?

Lefty Bicek · 20-06-2019 12:45PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Read this and you'll get your answer

Self-styled vigilantes attacked the home of a hospital paediatrician after apparently confusing her professional title with the word "paedophile", it emerged yesterday.
Dr Yvette Cloete, a specialist registrar in paediatric medicine at the Royal Gwent hospital in Newport, was forced to flee her house after vandals daubed it with graffiti in the middle of the night.

The word "paedo" was written across the front porch and door of the house she shared with her brother in the village of St Brides, south Wales.

We need to pause before referencing that story...

a fairly minor graffiti incident became the source of a pervasive urban myth.

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/a-tale-told-too-much-the-paediatrician-vigilantes/

Fan of Netflix · 20-06-2019 12:47PM

Theres still pictures of them on twitter now.

tuxy · 20-06-2019 12:47PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

So did he tell his father he had lost two phones ?

Yes but what people keep misunderstanding is it had nothing to do with phones that may or may not have been present at the murder.
It was part of him giving a character description of his son.
He attempted portray his son as careless and not very bright.

Boom_Bap · 20-06-2019 12:47PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

So did he tell his father he had lost two phones ?

From the information from the court room, his father was giving a character reference and noted that the boy lost 2 phones and was not into social media.

For some reason, this was important for him to say in court in front of a jury.

tuxy · 20-06-2019 12:48PM

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Theres still pictures of them on twitter now.

Anything posted after the court hearing this morning is contempt of court which I believe is more serious than the offence under the children act.

fryup · 20-06-2019 12:50PM

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if Boy A experienced some violence/sexual violence at home. He hardly licked it off the ground just by watching porn.

well the infamous Ted Bundy came from a straight laced christian family had a very sheltered upbringing....and he later disclosed that it was porn that was the main driving factor in his numerous murders

*and bear in mind that was at a time before internet porn

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 20-06-2019 12:51PM

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if Boy A experienced some violence/sexual violence at home. He hardly licked it off the ground just by watching porn.

Given that you don't know his parents or his home situation that's a pretty nasty and irresponsible thing to post on a public forum.

TheAsYLuMkeY · 20-06-2019 12:51PM

fryup wrote: »

well the infamous Ted Bundy came from a straight laced christian family had a very sheltered upbringing....and he later disclosed that it was porn that was the main driving factor in his numerous murders

*and bear in mind that was at a time before internet porn

Dont get me started on the church...........

Larbre34 · 20-06-2019 12:54PM

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if Boy A experienced some violence/sexual violence at home. He hardly licked it off the ground just by watching porn.

You're throwing in a few off the point references to the sexual aspects in the last hour or so Gerry. A cynical person may think this was in some way for your own prurient gratification....

For the record, Boy A could quite easily have developed his own behaviour due to any number of psychological disorders and fostered by exposure to extreme imagery and ideations online or from other sources - the bargain basement satanism and secretive behaviour.

There has been zero suggestion anywhere of a background you are alluding to.

veryangryman · 20-06-2019 12:54PM

Without looking for the pictures, can anyone who has seen them confirm whether they look rough?

Strazdas · 20-06-2019 12:56PM

CityRoad wrote: »

I am not local my friend has children one went to primary school with Ana and the other was bullied by Boy A and Boy B, if that child had a different personality, it could have been them.

Yes they were known, in fact her child said the same thing, 'why did she go with him?'.

From what I have been told, the kids knew they were trouble, the school did not seem to care, they certainly do not have seemed to have cared about the child I know.

In fact there was footage filmed on the mobile phone of one incident involving the child I know, the school was more concerned that the footage be deleted than a serious assault occurred in school grounds. My friend found it very weird and made sure she saved it to a few places.

It's very likely that Ana was naive and innocent, despite looking older. A more streetwise girl would have smelled a rat when that yoke came looking for her and especially having to walk miles to a deserted location.

20-06-2019 12:56PM

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

Children dont naturally have psychopathic tendencies

Yes they do, or some of them do.

Larbre34 · 20-06-2019 12:56PM

veryangryman wrote: »

Without looking for the pictures, can anyone who has seen them confirm whether they look rough?

Seriously?

iamwhoiam · 20-06-2019 12:57PM

tuxy wrote: »

Yes but what people keep misunderstanding is it had nothing to do with phones that may or may not have been present at the murder.
It was part of him giving a character w description of his son.
He attempted portray his son as careless and not very bright.

How do we know the fathers motive ? Maybe a smart phone existed and was gotten rid of . Maybe the Boy B didn’t lick his lieing off the stones .

the butcher · 20-06-2019 12:57PM

veryangryman wrote: »

Without looking for the pictures, can anyone who has seen them confirm whether they look rough?

FFS - What purpose does this post actually serve?!

Force Carrier · 20-06-2019 12:58PM

fryup wrote: »

well the infamous Ted Bundy came from a straight laced christian family had a very sheltered upbringing....and he later disclosed that it was porn that was the main driving factor in his numerous murders

*and bear in mind that was at a time before internet porn

He was hardly going to say the driving factor was that 'I was a cruel, sadistic, perverted scumbag.' Since he is a liar and the porn externalises the fault and blame.

Boggles · 20-06-2019 01:00PM

fryup wrote: »

well the infamous Ted Bundy came from a straight laced christian family had a very sheltered upbringing....and he later disclosed that it was porn that was the main driving factor in his numerous murders

*and bear in mind that was at a time before internet porn

No he didn't. As far as I remember. He said porn helped him shape what he would do to his victims.

Ted's musings were about as reliable as a chocolate kettle.

He told that to a well know anti porn campaigner and bible thumper, Ted was hoping at that stage for a stay of execution and he thought the church might help him, church gets what it wants in return porn = serial killer.

He would have said cats made him he do it if thought that would help him, Ted manipulated all his life right until the end.

20-06-2019 01:01PM

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if Boy A experienced some violence/sexual violence at home. He hardly licked it off the ground just by watching porn.

He's just a psycho. It's a lack of empathy. You are born that way, about 5% of the population is.

Also runs in families.

The way he said he felt mostly nothing is textbook.

If he was a dog you would put him down. Only solution IMO.

MaccaTacca · 20-06-2019 01:04PM

MOD: Enough of the referencing of a photo that's going around, and enough of discussing the contents of said photo.

Ace Attorney · 20-06-2019 01:05PM

CityRoad wrote: »

From what I have been told, the kids knew they were trouble, the school did not seem to care, they certainly do not have seemed to have cared about the child I know.

In fact there was footage filmed on the mobile phone of one incident involving the child I know, the school was more concerned that the footage be deleted than a serious assault occurred in school grounds. My friend found it very weird and made sure she saved it to a few places.

Jesus, if it was boy a or b involved in that serious assault, that school needs to answer some questions about its running

captbarnacles · 20-06-2019 01:06PM

Strazdas wrote: »

It's very likely that Ana was naive and innocent, despite looking older. A more streetwise girl would have smelled a rat when that yoke came looking for her and especially having to walk miles to a deserted location.

I guess sheer happiness at being called for by a peer and asked to come out with them overrode any concerns she had. Hard to take that bit.

Abba987 · 20-06-2019 01:06PM

veryangryman wrote: »

Without looking for the pictures, can anyone who has seen them confirm whether they look rough?

No they don't

Penn · 20-06-2019 01:07PM

the butcher wrote: »

FFS - What purpose does this post actually serve?!

I remember years ago, either during or after the Raoul Moat manhunt, either The Sun or The Mirror had a story about Moat which included a photo of him at about 6 months old. The photo of this 6-month old smiling child included the caption "...with fist already clenched in anger..." because his hand was closed.

If only the parents had noticed he looked rough at that young age...

SirGerryAdams · 20-06-2019 01:11PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

You're throwing in a few off the point references to the sexual aspects in the last hour or so Gerry. A cynical person may think this was in some way for your own prurient gratification....

For the record, Boy A could quite easily have developed his own behaviour due to any number of psychological disorders and fostered by exposure to extreme imagery and ideations online or from other sources - the bargain basement satanism and secretive behaviour.

There has been zero suggestion anywhere of a background you are alluding to.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Abba987 · 20-06-2019 01:11PM

It serves no purpose but is the first thing a few people have said. Fact is they don't look like the little scrotes in town waiting to swipe your phone they look like nice boys.

This whole story is devastatingly tragic. Like with Jamie Bolger how can do people be on the same page. How can 2 people of that age be so cruel. That poor girl it doesn't bear thinking about

I seriously doubt there will be rehabitating these boys so they will be back out to do it again soon

Force Carrier · 20-06-2019 01:12PM

We are all of us formed by a mixture of nature and nurture.
Our genes play a role. Our environment plays a role.

Some people in their intrinsic physiological make up lack empathy. Events in their childhood and life then play a role in forming their personality and behavior. But you have to be wired up a particular way to want hurt and kill people. 99.9% of the population could watch all the porn until kingdom come but they wouldn't bring a girl to an abandoned house. Drinking in her confusion, panic and pain. Savagely smash their skull in. And then go home and eat their dinner and go to bed. These were fundamentally bad little fcukers. A trace element of the population are and alwasy will be.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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