Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

shutup · 19-06-2019 05:08PM

Dante7 wrote: »

Boy A: Hey, wanna kill somebody?’.
Boy B: No.
Boy A ‘Ah, here. Why not’.
Boy B: Because it’s retarded. Who are you planning to kill?
Boy A: ‘Ana Kriegel’.
Boy B: In your dreams.

A month later Boy B lured Anna to meet Boy A. Guilty. End of.

Sums it up perfectly

Wombatman · 19-06-2019 05:09PM

Was the backpack that Boy B had with him when he called for Ana the "murder kit" backpack?

Will I Am Not · 19-06-2019 05:09PM

flos1964 wrote: »

One of the things that i find hard to stomach is that surely someone noticed the isolation of this girl or overheard there little darlings talking about her yet never moved to help her...i mean it was bullying on a grand scale and was allowed to continue on and on...they say it takes a village to rear a child...well that village can collectively hold there heads in shame tonight.

Bollox to that, it’s not the 70s. People barely know their immediate neighbours these days.

tuxy · 19-06-2019 05:09PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Gonna ask again as it has been overlooked.

What is the full story with the stick Boy B was talking about?

If I remember he described a stick he picked up in one of the rooms of the abandoned house he wanted to keep as a play sword but left it as it wasn't suitable.

In a different report I heard he was shown a picture of a stick with Ana's blood on it and he acted surprised when he saw it.

I'm not sure if Garda were trying to link boy B to that stick but they didn't have enough evidence. And how it was reported was a bit confusing.

Shemale · 19-06-2019 05:12PM

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus, you just went full Daily Mail, well done.

:rolleyes:

So you wouldnt then :rolleyes:

NIMAN · 19-06-2019 05:16PM

This really is our equivalent to the Jamie Bolger case, isn't it?

We have all extremes of opinion on it.

Sunflower 27 · 19-06-2019 05:20PM

Wombatman wrote: »

Was the backpack that Boy B had with him when he called for Ana the "murder kit" backpack?

I don't see how as Boy A was waiting in his gear the moment Ana arrived

Grayson · 19-06-2019 05:22PM

Dante7 wrote: »

What do you mean not verified? It's from Boy B's statement. He admitted it himself. He admitted that he knew Boy A wanted to kill Anna and he went on to lure Anna to a derelict building where he knew Boy A was waiting.

His words haven't been verified. We know he said them but not if they were true or not. He could have lied about nearly everything.
He could have been more involved with it than he mentioned.

flos1964 · 19-06-2019 05:23PM

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Bollox to that, it’s not the 70s. People barely know their immediate neighbours these days.

Fair enough ...you might not but somebody ...anybody...no thats bull****...lots of them knew.

swarlb · 19-06-2019 05:24PM

mrjoneill wrote: »

Yes indeed there are many to answer outside of the convicted killers for her isolation. Her National school saw her vulnerability & immaturity & asked her secondary school to take this on board. It would appear this did not happen till it became an overt issue. The were then chasing an issue which they should have been proactive as they were forewarned. Her peers have so much on their conscious that inc boys & girls. It would seem most girls were jealous of her good looks & the boys saw her as for having sex with. It would seem both Boy A & Boy B zoned into this vulnerability & there is no doubt the luring of her to the remote house was for to attack her. And Boys A attire was for an extremely serious assault if not worse. As for Boy B he believed he would not be recognized & their crime would be untraceable. Boy B also carried a rucksack on his back, have not heard an explanation for it. Its a lesson for all parents the need for ever vigilance.

As I mentioned in a previous post I have a daughter of similar age and background to Ana. She (I won't say suffered) went through similar issues at school, mostly because of her looks (she is striking and looks older than her age) and mostly from girls, who seemed afraid because she looked 'different', the boys were also 'afraid' but for different reasons. We live in a rural community, and I found that the parents of the children involved were the ones who made the complaints to the school. My daughter is very strong willed and would hit back immediately when provoked... yet it was ME who had to account for her behaviour. The school basically just wanted peace, and tended to side with the majority. There was a change of Principal who did make a difference foe a while, but she moved on (abroad) to greener pastures. On one occasion prior to her departure she apologised to us for the behaviour of the school. We ended up moving her to a different school, and the experience seems so far to have worked.
From my experience I don't think schools intervene enough, especially as regards internet, and the fact that kids these days are taking in so much.
And it saddens me in a way that the reason we chose Russia to adopt was partly because we thought that the child would 'fit in' easier because they were of similar looks to ourselves... how wrong we were.

NabyLadistheman · 19-06-2019 05:25PM

Ana really did seem to have a great relationship with her mother. Not many teens would be so open to counselling at that age. Her mother did everything to make Ana'a life better. She was vigilant of her online activity. She got her onto Pieta House so that she could be referred to Kildare Youths.

I found it so sad that she had a counselling session earlier that day and despite all the efforts of her mother & father these 2 savages took her away form them forever. Let's hope Ana's death is not in vain, it's time something was done about the bully culture in this country, and parents who cannot control there beloved off-spring. These 2 physcopaths were sitting in court holding mammy & daddies hands hoping to get off with killing somebody. Its despicable and I hope they get what's coming to them

Gimme A Pound · 19-06-2019 05:28PM

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Bollox to that, it’s not the 70s. People barely know their immediate neighbours these days.

Crikey, what do you have to react like that for? It's not like absolutely nobody whatsoever knows a soul in their neighbourhood anymore either.

brooke 2 · 19-06-2019 05:29PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Boy B's family sound like out and out scumbags. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if his dad was "known to the Gardaí" or whatever euphemism is currently preferred to describe people who can't go more than a few days without doing something scummy to other people.

Well, the father certainly does sound like a scumbag!! I have a certain sympathy for the mother, who seems to have been left by her cad of a husband to, first of all, deal with the Garda who called to the house when he wanted to question their son about Ana's disappearance. Dad is reported to have gone upstairs to bed, passing by the three at the doorway, without inquiring why the garda was interested in his son!! There is quite a large degree of disengagement right there in that act alone.

Secondly, he did not accompany his wife and son to the garda station when Boy B was in for questioning. I can only imagine her horror as the truth of her son's participation in the murder was gradually and eventually revealed after the garda's expert questioning. Where was the father's support for her during that ordeal?? Sounds like quite the brave man to have skipped out on that!! :mad:

In his statement to the gardaí, the father reportedly said that his son refused to open up to him as he 'did not respect him' and Boy B was afraid that father would start 'shouting and roaring' if he told him the truth!! This would lead one to believe that this might have been a normal reaction for the guy to something he did not like. That house must have been like a war zone at times!! You'd have to have some sympathy for the woman with the clearly psycho husband and the murderer son.

No surprise that the psycho behaved in that thuglike manner in the courtroom yesterday. The most despicable thing about that exhibition of red rage was that he did it in front of Mr. and Mrs. Kriégel, who had had to sit through weeks of evidence relating to the appallingly cruel death of their beautiful daughter, in which psycho Dad's son was complicit, and, possibly, which he might even have orchestrated.

Gimme A Pound · 19-06-2019 05:30PM

As Retro posted yesterday, seeing all the photos of her smiling so happily despite all the pain, is just unbearable. Can't look at them without crying.

It's so ****ing heartbreaking.

iamwhoiam · 19-06-2019 05:32PM

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

As Retro posted yesterday, seeing all the photos of her smiling so happily despite all the pain, is just unbearable. Can't look at them without crying.

It's so ****ing heartbreaking.

And wasn’t she a beautiful stunning young lady . Her parents words outside court were so loving too

Flippyfloppy · 19-06-2019 05:39PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

And wasn’t she a beautiful stunning young lady . Her parents words outside court were so loving too

Yes she was stunning, but she was a person too, underneath her looks. There was more to her than just looks.

retro:electro · 19-06-2019 05:41PM

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Yes she was stunning, but she was a person too, underneath her looks. There was more to her than just looks.

Nobody is arguing the opposite. It’s okay to complement someone, no one is saying that’s all that mattered about her.

brooke 2 · 19-06-2019 05:42PM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Were I his Dad and doubted his conviction I may have done the same myself. Undignified and it'd portray me in a bad light but I may not be able to compose myself were my own son to be convicted of something I felt he was innocent of.

And when the Gardai came to the house there was no indication then that it was anything other than a check on a girl who'd not come home for a few hours. He left it to his wife and kid. It was not a murder investigation then.

Why did he not accompany his son to the garda station? That was left to his wife.

Galwayguy35 · 19-06-2019 05:42PM

I see people on FB are saying they have pics of them and are ignoring the Garda warning and are going to keep them so people will know who they are when they get out.

iamwhoiam · 19-06-2019 05:45PM

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Yes she was stunning, but she was a person too, underneath her looks. There was more to her than just looks.

Yes i do know that, I don’t need to be told that

mrjoneill · 19-06-2019 05:45PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

This is the problem with mandatory sentencing. There is no reason for them to plead guilty since it's life either way.

The argument is that they may as well take their chances with a jury as you never know what could happen. But if the boys had been able to plead guilty and get 8 years for example, there would've been no trial.

Common Law for murder is mandatory life but in this case under the childrens Act sentancing is discretionary. In theory they could be back in the par in Lucan all too soon. I hope not. For that level of criminality 20yrs min is needed.

GreeBo · 19-06-2019 05:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I read that one of the boys under interview asked for his mother to leave the room. Sounded like he was about to tell more but didn't want to in front of her. We are too soft allowing parents to hold their kids hands through interviews anyway

What about innocent kids?
Damn sure I'd be in the room for mine.

Spanish Eyes · 19-06-2019 05:46PM

Regarding Oberstown. I am sure there are many psychos and criminals and so on there with a history of sexual assault and worse as inmates, sorry guests. We will never know THEIR names either. All under 18, and many will gravitate towards the adult detention centres too once age of 18 has been reached.

Not run by the Prison Service. Not sure by whom. Probably Children's Minister.

It is very sad, but unfortunately the law abiding citizen often pays a very high price, whilst the perpetrators continue to avail of court ordered anonymity and so on.

I don't know what to think sometimes. Some criminals even under age are probably not capable of being rehabilitated. That has to be accepted.

Lackadaisical · 19-06-2019 05:50PM

One issue that's been really hitting me over the last couple of days is that Ana was hard of hearing or partially deaf and there are REALLY poor services, supports or even basic understanding of this in mainstream schools in my experience anyway.

It's just been bringing back horrible memories of my own school days as I also spent a few years with hearing difficulties and I just remember how isolating it was and how I was bullied by both students and had extremely unhelpful teachers because of it. She may have had much better supports than I had, given she's 20 years younger and I have no idea of her personal circumstances other than what I read, but I really empathise with how she may have felt.

The issues I had were resolved eventually by surgery in my mid-teens, but I just remember how it felt being just that bit cut off from what was going on around me. I couldn't always follow conversations, I found Irish almost impossible and teachers would just accuse me of being dozy or a space cadet. I'd often have books slapped down on the desk in front of me or hands clapped in front of my face, much to the amusement of my classmates. It was a little distracting when the world sounded like I was listening through a bucket of water and I had permanent tinnitus.

I also spoke far too softly, again because of the ear problem as I heard my own voice much louder than I was speaking. That used to get me mocked, people whispering at me, teachers telling me to 'speak up!' and often actually mocking me about it e.g.: "use your big boy's voice!" when I was in secondary school and all of that kind fo thing.

The result was everyone thought I was a bit weird and I'd relatively few friends.

Anyway, I'm not trying to make this post about me, rather I'm just trying to illustrate a point about the dire lack of support services for people with auditory or similar issues in Irish schools. We also have really poor public and even sometimes private ENT services by international norms. On numerous occasions I've had to wait more than 6 months to get a private appointment and the public clinics have ludicrous wait times. Teachers seemed to have absolutely zero understanding of the problems and there were no screening programmes, certainly that I ever encountered anyway, so my issue weren't even picked up and I didn't get proper supports.

All I'm saying is schools need a hell of a lot more support services for people who might just need a little bit of understanding and I'm sure this probably applies to people who've other challenges too.

Thinking back on it though, it really was horrible to have peers who basically mocked, teased and isolated rather than helped.

There are a lot of issues being raised by this case for society in general about bullying and it's a discussion that we really need to have.

BeerWolf · 19-06-2019 05:50PM

Lil' ****s ought to be dragged out onto the streets and be shot. But ofc the State will protect these ****s while giving them at most probably 5 years, while the girl's parents will suffer for life knowing what these monsters did to their child.

GreeBo · 19-06-2019 05:51PM

Necro wrote: »

At 15 they likely know of more ways than those teaching them to do to send or access inappropriate stuff.

Should really be starting from primary school, I agree. Department of Education are still stuck in the 80s in that respect though.

It's a difficult one though...you could end up teaching this stuff to some very innocent and naive kids just because some other kids of the same age are more....aware.

I know two 12 year olds raised in similar circumstances and both would be very different in terms of learned sex ed.

mrjoneill · 19-06-2019 05:55PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Only seemed one verdict possible. At least Ana and her parents got justice there.

I have teenage boys and I am shocked that boys their age would be capable and desiring of doing this awful crime. I actually feel for their families too. No one expects their 13 year old to do the likes of that.

I will never again look on teenagers of the same age as being gullible innocence. This criminality of these 2 I assoc with hardened criminals.

Happy4all · 19-06-2019 05:56PM

I think it's time to change the law re anonymity when found guilty.

Do they lose that right anyway when they reach 18?

gozunda · 19-06-2019 05:58PM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

I don't see how as Boy A was waiting in his gear the moment Ana arrived

Both boys were seen carry backpacks.

Only Boy A's was found afaik

They other unsounded issue is with Boy b's mobile phones

His father painted a picture of him as not into social media etc and that he had 'lost' two phones that had been bought for him

In light of the thousands of seriously fuked up pornographic images boy a had on his phone - I wonder did boy b's phone disappear deliberatly.

GreeBo · 19-06-2019 05:58PM

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

Department of Education will argue that they don't have time in the day to have these types of classes.

Scrap all the pointless Religion lessons, significantly reduce time spent on Irish and have a few mandatory classes a week on consent, bullying, mental health, life skills.

If it's a toss up between removing the bully or rehabilitating them I know where I'd vote tbh

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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