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DCM 2019 - Mentored Novices Thread
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Hey all,
Not quite a novice but DCM would be my second marathon and I feel I have a huge amount to learn from all here. Was over the moon to finish Cork after failing to get to the start in 2018. Will be trying to get the tickets on 1 July (I was unsure if I'd every put the trainers on again after doing Cork
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Have you raced before? 4:35 Cork marathon 02/06/2019
Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? No
How much training do you currently do ? I'm currently letting my body recover from Cork, so just ticking over, very gentle jogging every 2/3 days.
I followed the Hal Hidgeon Novice plan and it worked a treat for me (I stretched it out over more months to accommodate holidays and physio "breaks") I was a bit lackadaisical with the cross training in patches but my physio read me the riot act and I'm all the better for it but my poor ar$e from the bike...
What do you want to achieve? In order; finish, finish faster than Cork, break 4 hours (dream)
How many days a week can you train? And what plan do you intend to follow? Open to suggestion here (I'm an early morning runner, kids, etc...)
What is your biggest worry/fear/doubt Injury is always a concern, tried to train up to Cork 2018 and it was too much, too soon and had to reset to 2019. Nipped Plantar fasciitis in the bud with physio just in time this year
Why are you running this marathon? Keep up the health benefits, see if there is another marathon in the tank.
Welcome jackc101! Congrats on Cork, and it sounds like you've taken a good sensible approach to the post marathon recovery... good stuff!
If you found HHN1 ok for Cork then you should take a look at the boards plan this time around, you'll be well able, if you can find the time of course.
What's the immediate plan? Another week or two reasonably handy?0 -
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Conscious I haven't posted in a while so a quick question on the slow running that's been troubling me.......
When I took up running 12 months ago a few of us from work used to tear around at lunchtime as fast as we could, dropping each other as we went (not the most social running scene I know :rolleyes:) but I was able to work up to doing a sub 25 5k fairly easily - best Garmin clocked time was 22:24.
I'm now a much more evolved individual (!) and do nearly all my runs 6:00 min per km or slower (6:45 for the lsr). Really enjoying it and building distance which is the goal but I really feel that I'd have no hope of running 5K under 5 minutes a km (struggled failed today to hang on to some work colleagues who I don't always run with
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Is this a normal experience when running slow for some time? Not necessarily a problem, I'm just a bit worried that when the time comes for me to up it to "planned marathon pace" that I won't have a faster gear. Or could it be that my LSR is not slow enough?
I should add, I'm not daring to question the benefits of running slow - I am a convert, just looking for some reassurance!
This post piqued my interest and so I looked a little deeper into your running. I see you've been doing 1 LSR and 3 midweek runs each week over the past while. You've slowed the LSR right down and it looks bang on the slower end of the McMillan calculator based on your 10km time. No harm in going a little slower than that even, but it's fine. No issues there.
The issue is the 3 x midweek 7km runs - you are running all these at 10k pace, or faster, which is far too fast. You can make those slower by at least a min/km. At the moment you are running 3/4 of a 10k race three times a week, plus a LSR. That's 4 hard days, so it's no wonder you don't have 5k speed when you need it. Keep everything easy and you will see the PB's fall at all distances.0 -
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passinginterest wrote: »That’s really interesting and similar to my own experience (and the reason I’m following this thread now).
In 2014 I hit all the predicted McMillan times from 5 mile to the half. My half was 1.37.56 and I felt great doing it. That gave a predicted marathon time of 3.26.06. I ran 4.00.38. I made most of the mistakes that are repeatedly warned against here. I ran everything too fast, I skipped sessions because I ran LSRs too fast. It all hit particularly badly in the last month of training and once the long run hit 15 miles. I had a few other excuses in the last few weeks, a terrible experience in the Athlone 3/4 marathon, illness and injury, but I’d say now all linked to not training sensibly. I set out on 3.50 pace (self paced). Consciously slow for first two miles but panicked and started chasing time in the Phoenix Park, it was warm and breezy and I didn’t shelter or even consider a negative split attempt. I went through half way feeling pretty good and exactly on target. Loved half way to 18 miles, but lost concentration and forgot to take a planned gel. From mile 20 thinks started to slow and from mile 21 it was an absolute slog to the end. All I really remember is repeating “don’t walk, don’t walk” like a mantra, I doubt I was moving any quicker than walking pace for most of that time, but I kept the jogging motion. It was painful right to the end but just about made it, didn’t hit the wall as spectacularly as I did in Athlone (where I was within a whisker of sitting in the ditch and my wife had to pretty much carry me to the car after).
Anyway, long story short, running the training runs to hard can help to make some rapid progress, especially with a base from another sport, but there’s every chance it’ll bite you right at the crucial time. This time I’ll be running much slower all the way, I don’t expect to be sub 1.40 for my half, but I’m hopeful I’ll have a much more solid base and be able to go sub 4.
This is a common story passinginterest and one that is invaluable to all the novices here reading it. The marathon is a different ball game altogether to 5k/10k/10m/HM - it's a beast! Such a buzz when you complete it, especially that oh so precious first time, but the training is definitely not to be taken lightly, train too fast or target an unrealistic time and that first experience could be a nightmare! Train right and it will be the most amazing experience ever, crossing the line with the biggest smile ever after 26.2 - now that's priceless
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passinginterest wrote: »That’s really interesting and similar to my own experience (and the reason I’m following this thread now).
In 2014 I hit all the predicted McMillan times from 5 mile to the half. My half was 1.37.56 and I felt great doing it. That gave a predicted marathon time of 3.26.06. I ran 4.00.38. I made most of the mistakes that are repeatedly warned against here. I ran everything too fast, I skipped sessions because I ran LSRs too fast. It all hit particularly badly in the last month of training and once the long run hit 15 miles. I had a few other excuses in the last few weeks, a terrible experience in the Athlone 3/4 marathon, illness and injury, but I’d say now all linked to not training sensibly. I set out on 3.50 pace (self paced). Consciously slow for first two miles but panicked and started chasing time in the Phoenix Park, it was warm and breezy and I didn’t shelter or even consider a negative split attempt. I went through half way feeling pretty good and exactly on target. Loved half way to 18 miles, but lost concentration and forgot to take a planned gel. From mile 20 thinks started to slow and from mile 21 it was an absolute slog to the end. All I really remember is repeating “don’t walk, don’t walk” like a mantra, I doubt I was moving any quicker than walking pace for most of that time, but I kept the jogging motion. It was painful right to the end but just about made it, didn’t hit the wall as spectacularly as I did in Athlone (where I was within a whisker of sitting in the ditch and my wife had to pretty much carry me to the car after).
Anyway, long story short, running the training runs to hard can help to make some rapid progress, especially with a base from another sport, but there’s every chance it’ll bite you right at the crucial time. This time I’ll be running much slower all the way, I don’t expect to be sub 1.40 for my half, but I’m hopeful I’ll have a much more solid base and be able to go sub 4.
V. similar to my experience. I'll see your 'forgot to take a gel' and raise you 'never took gels, felt ok in the LSRs in training, but at marathon pace began to feel lightheaded after about 20 miles with only water'
My medium training runs of the week were never more than 5 miles which resulted in my LSR being too much of a % of the weekly total.
I know the mentors will have things to say about this later in the plan, but I just wanted to say that I've found having the LSR a smaller % of the weekly run a real help in terms of staying injury free. I'm not marathon training at the moment, so my long runs aren't very long (maybe 10-12 miles). That means they're around 25% of my weekly mileage and I haven't been injured all year. I think for me, spreading the mileage over the week is a real help.
Not sure if that's a help to you marathoners, but it might be!0 -
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Mr. Guappa wrote: »Welcome jackc101! Congrats on Cork, and it sounds like you've taken a good sensible approach to the post marathon recovery... good stuff!
If you found HHN1 ok for Cork then you should take a look at the boards plan this time around, you'll be well able, if you can find the time of course.
What's the immediate plan? Another week or two reasonably handy?
Sorry for the slow reply, I was catching up on all the good stuff within the thread, especially the new concepts in the boards plan, which I'll follow. Copied off some of the stuff on strides / hills / recovery that's new by comparison to the HH1 plan
Plan is silly slow running every second day till this Sunday and start the boards plan on schedule. The body is feeling good and no niggles
What are the odds of getting an entry on the 1st of July? 0
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