Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

19-06-2019 12:40PM

tuxy wrote: »

Here's a list of countries with the highest rates of capital punishment, which of these utopias should we base our justice system on?

China
Iran
Saudi Arabia
Iraq
Pakistan
Egypt
United States
Somalia
Bangladesh
Malaysia

GreeBo · 19-06-2019 12:40PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Sentences can be appealed, overturned or reduced. Happens often. Not much good appealing if you're already dead.

I'm pretty sure they dont hang you on your way out of the courtroom so appeals would be the same.

MrFresh · 19-06-2019 12:40PM

Camila Hallowed Apple wrote: »

I did ya, I read you were of the opinion they shouldn’t be at the end of a harsh prison sentence. Are you really going to wheel out “they’re only kids sure”? They took the life of a child. They’ve been afforded anonymity and have their lives and background protected. She was torn asunder and her teenage life laid bare, at times it was suggested she might have wanted it (the sexual assault). They’re lower than scum. They’re worse than the majority of the prison population.

You read wrong.

Gimme A Pound · 19-06-2019 12:40PM

Former Observer wrote: »

Well done on writing the most cringey comment in the entire thread. A true virtue signalling masterclass. The white knight of revenge fantasists everywhere.

What a mean comment. But then, what would one expect from someone who started a thread about "that one who was convicted of murder isn't so hot now, wha? Amirite lads?!"

You could have quoted the whole post but nah, cherrypicking for the win. Nowhere did he say anything to condone execution of the boys. He said the anger is understandable, which it is. Not everyone is all cool and indifferent like you.

So fail on the misuse of "virtue signalling" which is actually what YOU are doing. That's what his entire post is about - being more bothered by stupid posts than what happened to Ana.

And of course it isn't the most cringey comment on the thread.

Gadgetman496 · 19-06-2019 12:41PM

This is typical and a total joke.

Everyone knew long before this that content of all sorts was available to everyone

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0619/1056277-online-safety/

InTheShadows · 19-06-2019 12:41PM

NIMAN wrote: »

You do know that the likes of Zuckerberg and all the other top silicon Valley execs won't let their kids use social media cos they know the damage it does to young minds.

I think more people should take note of that fact.

They are making billions from it, but know it's dangerous.

Yes i was aware of that. It's little talked about unfortunately but tells me all i need to know about what we are dealing with here.

....... · 19-06-2019 12:42PM

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

There will always be ways to work around the law. Teenagers are very smart and we Irish like to subvert the rules. In an ideal world, this would be a wake to call for parents to do their job. To look at what their kids are accessing online and who they're interacting with. And more importantly, how they're behaving. Common decency seems to have gone out the window and it's not just the kids. Distributing photos of Boy A (it has finally reached me) is an easy step up take. Insisting on monitoring little Johnny's phone or discussing those "interesting" porn videos is another story.

I also wonder did any adults ever think Boy A was a more than just a bit of an oddball? Or why Boy B was on the garda Pulse system?

A couple of years ago a colleague went to a pre-secondary school parent teacher meeting type thing with all the other parents and some IT security expert.

The IT guy told them that something like 74% of 11 year olds had sent a naked or partially naked picture of themselves on a social media platform.

Pretty much every parent in the rooms shook their heads and said "no - not my kid".

Gimme A Pound · 19-06-2019 12:43PM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

I think we all know they aren't going to be executed. The point is the level of anger that people feel that they should be killed for their crime. I haven't witnessed it in a long time.

It's hardly surprising that there is such a level of anger.

19-06-2019 12:44PM

kildare lad wrote: »

Well at least they punish people

You can literally be killed for being gay in some of those countries listed.

InTheShadows · 19-06-2019 12:45PM

droidman123 wrote: »

Watched a documentary recently about the usa olympic gymnastics team doctor, he sexually abused young girls over a period of years,he got 240 years,a minimum of 40 years before he can apply for parole (rightfully so) these 2 guys will be back in society in probably 8-10 years,theres murdering scum only serving 10 years or do every week for horrendous crimes,including murder.the liberals in this country are slowly but surely destroying it.the various ministers for justice over the years have a lot to answer for,but of course they wont.the laws in this country badly needs overhauling,no more namby pamby approach.wont happen in my lifetime unfortunately and the scum will continue to breed and run riot

Sure look at Larry Murphy. He's just one example of how we don't take crime seriously in this country.

He could be having pints in your local right now or sitting in a park watching your kids play. But sure human rights what.

dickangel · 19-06-2019 12:45PM

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

Or why Boy B was on the garda Pulse system?

Must have been something very minor, surely if it was relevant it would have been brought up in court? The Irish Times article lists evidence that they weren't allowed to use, no mention of the prosecution or defence attempting to highlight Boy B's previous iirc.

Gimme A Pound · 19-06-2019 12:45PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

This is typical and a total joke.

Everyone knew long before this that content of all sorts was available to everyone

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0619/1056277-online-safety/

Yeah, that's the real problem. What about the poor underage connoisseurs of extremely violent and degrading porn.

joe40 · 19-06-2019 12:48PM

....... wrote: »

A couple of years ago a colleague went to a pre-secondary school parent teacher meeting type thing with all the other parents and some IT security expert.

The IT guy told them that something like 74% of 11 year olds had sent a naked or partially naked picture of themselves on a social media platform.

Pretty much every parent in the rooms shook their heads and said "no - not my kid".

It happens but not that high. 75% of 11 year olds sexting, I find that hard to believe.

dickangel · 19-06-2019 12:49PM

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

Yeah, that's the real problem. What about the poor underage connoisseurs of extremely violent and degrading porn.

Well yeah **** them. Still worth looking into stopping them being able to access it though.

19-06-2019 12:50PM

No death penalty please, let these murderers live out as many of their remaining days as possible in custody.

From reading of the case notes, you get the impression that remorse over what they did to Ana is non-existent, the only remorse is over the fact that they were caught. So I hope they spend the rest of their lives haunted if not by what they did to Ana, by what they did to themselves and the fact they were caught.

Wherever they go, whatever years they serve or don't behind bars, may their own minds be a prison.

Gimme A Pound · 19-06-2019 12:52PM

joe40 wrote: »

It happens but not that high. 75% of 11 year olds sexting, I find that hard to believe.

Yeah there is so much "ah shur all teens and pre teens are at it" by people who did same when that young, but they're "all" really really not.

That's what makes the waving away of the extreme porn issue annoying. No it isn't the standard for a kid that young to be getting off on stuff that extreme and dark.

Woke Hogan · 19-06-2019 12:53PM

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

What a prickish comment. But then, what would one expect from someone who started a thread about "that one who was convicted of murder isn't so hot now, wha? Amirite lads?!"

You could have quoted the whole post but nah, cherrypicking for the win. Nowhere did he say anything to condone execution of the boys. He said the anger is understandable, which it is. Not everyone is all cool and indifferent like you.

So fail on the misuse of "virtue signalling" which is actually what YOU are doing. That's what his entire post is about - being more bothered by stupid posts than what happened to Ana.

And of course it isn't the most cringey comment on the thread. Idiotic comment by you.

So this discussion should just be sober "RIP Ana" posts peppered with the occasional outburst from some troglodyte who thinks we should bring back the death penalty? And their views cannot be challenged whatsoever because it looks like that the person challenging them doesn't care about what happened to Ana? Or what is it you want exactly?

Gadgetman496 · 19-06-2019 12:54PM

It's ridiculous that they will legally have anonymity into adulthood, for life actually.

Why should they be afforded that?

Somedaythefire · 19-06-2019 12:54PM

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

Yeah there is so much "ah shur all teens and pre teens are at it" by people who did same when that young, but they're "all" really really not.

That's what makes the waving away of the extreme porn issue annoying. No it isn't the standard for a kid that young to be getting off on stuff that extreme and dark.

Well yeah there's a sold 25% there who aren't doing it looking at that statistic.

Sunflower 27 · 19-06-2019 12:54PM

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

It's hardly surprising that there is such a level of anger.

I never said I wasnt surprised. It's absolutely justified.

Mrsmum · 19-06-2019 12:54PM

....... wrote: »

A couple of years ago a colleague went to a pre-secondary school parent teacher meeting type thing with all the other parents and some IT security expert.

The IT guy told them that something like 74% of 11 year olds had sent a naked or partially naked picture of themselves on a social media platform.

Pretty much every parent in the rooms shook their heads and said "no - not my kid".

OMG that is shocking. I'm like those parents, can't believe that's true.

....... · 19-06-2019 12:54PM

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

Yeah there is so much "ah shur all teens and pre teens are at it" by people who did same when that young, but they're "all" really really not.

I dunno - I think its just realistic to expect that kids of 11 might be sexting.

Or accessing pornography.

Not all are, but its not a tiny minority either. Its worse to pretend it isnt happening at all.

It happens, so we need to deal with that reality.

SirGerryAdams · 19-06-2019 12:54PM

Not sure why anyone would want to have kids nowadays...

Peer pressure, bullying, anonymous apps. I'm sure majority of parents are blinded to the lives of kids these days.

I know that myself, I was able to not be affected by these things, I was my own person but I'd have massive reservations about whether I'd like to put a kid in the same position.

How many future parents are sitting down watching Love Island every night where the whole premise of the show is about looks and status and backstabbing and causing drama? It's only going to get worse.

Gimme A Pound · 19-06-2019 12:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No death penalty please, let these murderers live out as many of their remaining days as possible in custody.

From reading of the case notes, you get the impression that remorse over what they did to Ana is non-existent, the only remorse is over the fact that they were caught. So I hope they spend the rest of their lives haunted if not by what they did to Ana, by what they did to themselves and the fact they were caught.

Wherever they go, whatever years they serve or don't behind bars, may their own minds be a prison.

Exactly. That's a very well written way of refuting the silly execution posts and actually showing a sh1t given about Ana.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 19-06-2019 12:55PM

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

I also wonder did any adults ever think Boy A was a more than just a bit of an oddball? Or why Boy B was on the garda Pulse system?

You just don't think a kid is going to do that though. I'm thinking back on my own peers in school and where they are and every lad who was obsessed with knives and gore and Satan, most of them turned out fine. I have one friend who was a scary guy back then; big, volatile, violent, obsessed with Satanic stuff, heavy drinker from about 15. He now makes custom hardwood furniture, really likes swing dancing, is trying to set up a permaculture hub where we grew up.

And then there was the similar guy from the school in the next town who killed his sister with an axe

As for the Pulse thing, in the article it said they used it to find his address, that combined with the fact that he'd never been in court before led me to infer it was an adult at the same address who was on the system but I guess it could have been him, for something minor enough not to require a court appearance though.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 19-06-2019 12:56PM

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I think you'll find that "now is the time or place" [sic]. This is a discussion forum and people are espousing the virtues of the death penalty, it is the responsibility of anyone with a three figure IQ to point out that those views are idiotic.

Any chance you’d actually condemn the crime? Did you keep refreshing the pages until you could virtue signal?

As for your supposed three figure IQ that’s not in evidence in your dull dull life of rural idiocy or your online textual flatulence.

Strazdas · 19-06-2019 12:57PM

xalot wrote: »

That comprehensive Irish Times article is fantastic and very subtlety points to the home situation of Boy B. Paraphrasing from memory but he’s described as highly intelligent and good at school despite coming from a household that didn’t support academia. His father had tried unsuccessfully to get him into sports but he didn’t take to it, his father bought him two smart phones to get him into technology but he lost them. After his awful outburst in the courtroom it seems like his father was a person who didn’t take well to getting his own way.

Read somewhere else that the father said that when asking Boy B what had happened he wouldn’t tell him as he ‘didn’t respect him and didn’t want to share his truth with him’. If I was a suspect in the rape and murder of a child you could be damn sure my father would make me ‘share my truth’.

I also find it very strange that the family chatted to the Gardaí at the doorstep the night Ana went missing (when B was the last person to have seen her). Surely they’d have invited the Gardaí inside? Certainly my parents would be mortified that the neighbors would see the guards outside. This together with the house being listed on the pulse system suggests it wasn’t the good family home the defense were trying to present.

Am not bringing that up in any way to excuse the actions of B. Have no doubts the jury came to right decision.

One other thing I picked up in the article (brilliantly written) is that the state pathologist believes A launched a violent physical attack on Ana the moment she arrived inside the abandoned house - not some slowly escalating incident that somehow got out of hand. That would strongly suggest premeditation and that B must have had an inkling this was the plan all along.

Necro · 19-06-2019 12:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No death penalty please, let these murderers live out as many of their remaining days as possible in custody.

From reading of the case notes, you get the impression that remorse over what they did to Ana is non-existent, the only remorse is over the fact that they were caught. So I hope they spend the rest of their lives haunted if not by what they did to Ana, by what they did to themselves and the fact they were caught.

Wherever they go, whatever years they serve or don't behind bars, may their own minds be a prison.

Here's the thing, there's not a remote indication that any aspect of their behaviour was wrong from them. Even the reaction to the verdict by Boy B's father shows that.

mynamejeff · 19-06-2019 12:57PM

Omackeral wrote: »

You can literally be killed for being gay in some of those countries listed.

you can also be killed for being a murdering raping animal or drug dealing piece of sh1t.

i guess its all about finding a level.

its a shame that there will never be a capital punishment law in Ireland again

its not about punishment or reform or fixing social wrongs , its about protecting innocents from those who would victimise them for lack of consequences

....... · 19-06-2019 12:58PM

joe40 wrote: »

It happens but not that high. 75% of 11 year olds sexting, I find that hard to believe.

You'll notice I said naked or partially naked. And I didnt use the term sexting because its not just sexting that happens.

It includes kids sending non pornographic images of themselves such as in underwear etc...

And its not always for the reasons you might think (ie, sexting). Girls might be sending each other pics of themselves in training bras to "brag" that they now wear a bra etc.

Naked/partially naked is a very broad category. And you no doubt still wouldnt want your kid to be in that category even if it wasnt for "sexting" purposes.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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