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Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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  • #1802
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Former Observer wrote: »
    If you have a point I'm not sure what it is.
    Ah you are, but still...

    It's only words on the internet. In the greater scheme of things it's meaningless. I don't agree with it either, but there are more important, real things to be bothered by in relation to this case, rather than message board posts by people understandably angered by this atrocity.


  • #1803
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Here's a list of countries with the highest rates of capital punishment, which of these utopias should we base our justice system on?

    China
    Iran
    Saudi Arabia
    Iraq
    Pakistan
    Egypt
    United States
    Somalia
    Bangladesh
    Malaysia


  • #1804
    Woke Hogan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Woke Hogan


    Gimme A Pound wrote: »
    Ah you are, but still...

    It's only words on the internet. In the greater scheme of things it's meaningless. I don't agree with it either, but there are more important, real things to be bothered by in relation to this case, rather than message board posts by people understandably angered by this atrocity.
    I've read a few of your last few posts in this thread and I can't make heads or tails of what you're trying to say. Words on the internet? What are you talking about?


  • #1805
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,023 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    InTheShadows wrote: »

    All kids should have no access to social media until 18 years of age imo and it should be backed up by a government agency set up with peoples PPS numbers linked to access. This is an area where we as a country could really lead and be a trail blazer for the world. Will never happen though as the government wouldn't want to upset Zuckerburg and Co

    You do know that the likes of Zuckerberg and all the other top silicon Valley execs won't let their kids use social media cos they know the damage it does to young minds.

    I think more people should take note of that fact.

    They are making billions from it, but know it's dangerous.


  • #1806
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Gimme A Pound wrote: »
    Ah you are, but still...

    It's only words on the internet. In the greater scheme of things it's meaningless. I don't agree with it either, but there are more important, real things to be bothered by in relation to this case, rather than message board posts by people understandably angered by this atrocity.

    Words expressive of a reactionary, stupid opinion which people take issue with. It's not all violent fantasizing but very sincere support of the death penalty.

    Just go further down that rabbit hole and take your own advice like, most of your posts here seem to be taking issue with message board posts about message board posts while scolding people for not focusing on other more important aspects of the case. Crack your high iq out and spot the irony.


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  • #1807
    kildare lad
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    gmisk wrote: »
    Oh come on...
    https://www.innocenceproject.org/dna-exonerations-in-the-united-states/
    Look at these figures.

    Look I'm not saying in every case, but if you rape someone and kill then, there's DNA evidence etc you should get the death penalty , youre no loss to society. And I think instead of using animals for testing ,they should be using paedos and rapists. People ****e on about humans rights but they should be forfeited if you molest children , rape or murder someone


  • #1808
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,697 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Former Observer wrote: »
    There'll be a lot of people forever haunted by this at that school. Students who felt they should have spoken up, students who went along with the bullying out of fear/looking for social approval etc.

    Initially yes and then soon forgotten. There was a murder in our town years ago, I cant even recalI the year, and only for the victims family lay flowers on the anniversary I think most like me have moved on. Then the young ones put stuff up on FB and after a day or two, back to normal.


  • #1809
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Former Observer wrote: »
    There'll be a lot of people forever haunted by this at that school. Students who felt they should have spoken up, students who went along with the bullying out of fear/looking for social approval etc.


    Good


    Camila Hallowed Apple wrote: »
    What? He raped and murdered a child and you’re worried prison might be too harsh?


    No, I think prison for children shouldn't be as restrictive or harsh as prison for adults. I also said Oberstown wouldn't be suitable for those two boys. Did you even read what I posted before you began typing?


  • #1810
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    In these cases where emotions run high a few people will demand the death penalty which I am personally opposed to. To a certain extent it is understandable.

    However that tends to bring in the virtue signallers, who, while silent enough on the actual crime, oppose the death penalty, big up their IQ, and decry the red top reading masses for their revenge fantasys.

    A plague on their houses. Now is not the time or place.


  • #1811
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,833 ✭✭✭joe40


    Maybe this is defeatist but it is impossible for a parent to shield or prevent their children looking at stuff online. They're friends will have phones, a teenager not on social media would be an alone in modern society.
    Most teenagers engage fine with social media and teenagers will be curious about porn, and come to no harm like we all were, it just wasn't as accessible.

    The best thing to do in my opinion is maintain good communication. I accept my kids will see porn but I will make sure we talk about this. Discuss that this is not real life, this is not how real relationships take place.
    This is not how men and women relate to each other in real life

    Young girls and boys getting sex education from porn must be counteracted by proper education from parents and wider society.


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  • #1812
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Boy B basically convicted himself. The Gardaí interviewing him did a fantastic job.

    They really did. That prick thought he was so smart. When he was shown his interviews in court he had a panic attack. Not so smart after all.


  • #1813
    [Deleted User]
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    Watched a documentary recently about the usa olympic gymnastics team doctor, he sexually abused young girls over a period of years,he got 240 years,a minimum of 40 years before he can apply for parole (rightfully so) these 2 guys will be back in society in probably 8-10 years,theres murdering scum only serving 10 years or do every week for horrendous crimes,including murder.the liberals in this country are slowly but surely destroying it.the various ministers for justice over the years have a lot to answer for,but of course they wont.the laws in this country badly needs overhauling,no more namby pamby approach.wont happen in my lifetime unfortunately and the scum will continue to breed and run riot


  • #1814
    [Deleted User]
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    fryup wrote: »
    ...and online service providers and social media companies...after all there's no top-shelf on the web

    *phones & laptops sold to kids should have built in search filters as standard

    imo - smartphones shouldn't be sold to under 16's

    This x 100. Surely kids should not be going on the internet unsupervised.


  • #1815
    kildare lad
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    fryup wrote: »
    even if there only 13 years of age ??? not fully developed emotionally/mentally

    Ye 13 is a bit young. But I think boy A should spend the rest of his life in jail . He comes across as someone who'd have killed someone eventually.


  • #1816
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,458 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    MrFresh wrote: »
    Boy B basically convicted himself. The Gardaí interviewing him did a fantastic job.

    They really did. That prick thought he was so smart. When he was shown his interviews in court he had a panic attack. Not so smart after all.
    He wasn't present when the interviews were played in court.


  • #1817
    Woke Hogan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Woke Hogan


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    In these cases where emotions run high a few people will demand the death penalty which I am personally opposed to. To a certain extent it is understandable.

    However that tends to bring in the virtue signallers, who, while silent enough on the actual crime, oppose the death penalty, big up their IQ, and decry the red top reading masses for their revenge fantasys.

    A plague on their houses. Now is not the time or place.
    I think you'll find that "now is the time or place" [sic]. This is a discussion forum and people are espousing the virtues of the death penalty, it is the responsibility of anyone with a three figure IQ to point out that those views are idiotic.


  • #1818
    J. Marston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,408 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    I usually try to let all the tragedies and misery in the news pass me by and I rarely go in for mob justice but this case made my heart hurt.

    I hope those two endure the worst possible time in prison and the worst life possible when they are free.


  • #1819
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    I've read a few of your last few posts in this thread and I can't make heads or tails of what you're trying to say. Words on the internet? What are you talking about?
    Interesting, seeing as I'm quoting those I'm responding to.

    There is all this stupid outrage over people saying the boys should be executed. Literally just words on the internet. The execution isn't happening. These comments on the internet are not being read by the authorities. It's just clumsy expression of understandable anger, yet THAT'S the takeaway on a thread about a bullied young girl who was murdered.


  • #1820
    Former Observer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 474 ✭✭Former Observer


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Now is not the time or place.

    Well done on writing the most cringey comment in the entire thread. A true virtue signalling masterclass. The white knight of revenge fantasists everywhere.


  • #1821
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Good






    No, I think prison for children shouldn't be as restrictive or harsh as prison for adults. I also said Oberstown wouldn't be suitable for those two boys. Did you even read what I posted before you began typing?
    I did ya, I read you were of the opinion they shouldn’t be at the end of a harsh prison sentence. Are you really going to wheel out “they’re only kids sure”? They took the life of a child. They’ve been afforded anonymity and have their lives and background protected. She was torn asunder and her teenage life laid bare, at times it was suggested she might have wanted it (the sexual assault). They’re lower than scum. They’re worse than the majority of the prison population.


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  • #1822
    Former Observer
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    Former Observer wrote: »
    To all the people suggesting reinstatement of the death penalty, would you be against medical testing on prisoners of serious crimes?

    There are a lot of illnesses the cures for which could be researched a lot quicker and with a lot more success if trials were done on human beings instead of mice or monkeys. Surely that would be a better use?

    Any takers? Asked in earnest. Not a trick question.


  • #1823
    Ursus Horribilis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Ursus Horribilis


    There will always be ways to work around the law. Teenagers are very smart and we Irish like to subvert the rules. In an ideal world, this would be a wake to call for parents to do their job. To look at what their kids are accessing online and who they're interacting with. And more importantly, how they're behaving. Common decency seems to have gone out the window and it's not just the kids. Distributing photos of Boy A (it has finally reached me) is an easy step up take. Insisting on monitoring little Johnny's phone or discussing those "interesting" porn videos is another story.

    I also wonder did any adults ever think Boy A was a more than just a bit of an oddball? Or why Boy B was on the garda Pulse system?


  • #1824
    washman3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    We'll, they do have the right to anonymity. That's clear. The law is taking care of them and that's you or I need to know.

    If mobs want to attack the lads then they're making criminals of themselves.

    These 'lads' are now convicted murderers...
    I for one don't give two rattling fcuks what happens them.


  • #1825
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    He wasn't present when the interviews were played in court.

    Was the panic attack likely over them being played in court? That is what I took from the Times article?


  • #1826
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,518 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Boy B basically convicted himself. The Gardaí interviewing him did a fantastic job.

    Absolutely. Also, it's very difficult to attach innocent motives to anything he did that day. He didn't like Ana or respect her and knew that Boy A felt the same way. He was up to serious no good from the moment he called into her house.


  • #1827
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    tuxy wrote: »
    Here's a list of countries with the highest rates of capital punishment, which of these utopias should we base our justice system on?

    China
    Iran
    Saudi Arabia
    Iraq
    Pakistan
    Egypt
    United States
    Somalia
    Bangladesh
    Malaysia

    It's gas, the same people howling for the death penalty will spend half their time here banging on about sharia law and scare-mongering about it somehow taking over.


  • #1828
    xalot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭xalot


    That comprehensive Irish Times article is fantastic and very subtlety points to the home situation of Boy B. Paraphrasing from memory but he’s described as highly intelligent and good at school despite coming from a household that didn’t support academia. His father had tried unsuccessfully to get him into sports but he didn’t take to it, his father bought him two smart phones to get him into technology but he lost them. After his awful outburst in the courtroom it seems like his father was a person who didn’t take well to getting his own way.

    Read somewhere else that the father said that when asking Boy B what had happened he wouldn’t tell him as he ‘didn’t respect him and didn’t want to share his truth with him’. If I was a suspect in the rape and murder of a child you could be damn sure my father would make me ‘share my truth’.

    I also find it very strange that the family chatted to the Gardaí at the doorstep the night Ana went missing (when B was the last person to have seen her). Surely they’d have invited the Gardaí inside? Certainly my parents would be mortified that the neighbors would see the guards outside. This together with the house being listed on the pulse system suggests it wasn’t the good family home the defense were trying to present.

    Am not bringing that up in any way to excuse the actions of B. Have no doubts the jury came to right decision.


  • #1829
    kildare lad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    tuxy wrote: »
    Here's a list of countries with the highest rates of capital punishment, which of these utopias should we base our justice system on?

    China
    Iran
    Saudi Arabia
    Iraq
    Pakistan
    Egypt
    United States
    Somalia
    Bangladesh
    Malaysia

    Well at least they punish people, in Ireland you should rape / molest someone and be walking the streets in 5 or 6 years, while their victim has to live with it for the rest of their life. I fella from my town. He killed someone with a knife and done 5 years. Some punishment he got ,sitting in his cell , stoned all day . He's an oddball and i wouldnt be surprised if he'd kill again. I don't see the death penalty as a deterrent I see if as punishment , take a life, lose yours.


  • #1830
    Mrsmum
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    joe40 wrote: »
    Maybe this is defeatist but it is impossible for a parent to shield or prevent their children looking at stuff online. They're friends will have phones, a teenager not on social media would be an alone in modern society.
    Most teenagers engage fine with social media and teenagers will be curious about porn, and come to no harm like we all were, it just wasn't as accessible.

    The best thing to do in my opinion is maintain good communication. I accept my kids will see porn but I will make sure we talk about this. Discuss that this is not real life, this is not how real relationships take place.
    This is not how men and women relate to each other in real life

    Young girls and boys getting sex education from porn must be counteracted by proper education from parents and wider society.

    I agree with you. The thing is also a quite, introverted child you might keep off social media easy enough because they themselves don't want all it entails (I have one of those.) but an outgoing extrovert (I have one of those too) will be a totally different ballgame. You are literally interfering with their ability to be part of the friendships they want and need. If I only had my first child I could smugly say all parents should just say no like me but son no 2 has thought me you have to pick your battles.


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  • #1831
    Sunflower 27
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    Gimme A Pound wrote: »
    The execution isn't happening. These comments on the internet are not being read by the authorities. It's just clumsy expression of understandable anger, yet THAT'S the takeaway on a thread about a bullied young girl who was murdered.

    I think we all know they aren't going to be executed. The point is the level of anger that people feel that they should be killed for their crime. I haven't witnessed it in a long time.


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