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Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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  • #1772
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    Small Wonder wrote: »
    Sorry, must have missed this. Did a RED FM presenter/reporter actually name someone?

    Yes, this morning a reporter named boy A twice on radio before being cut off.


  • #1773
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,686 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Personally as I have said many times on boards prison is waaaay too soft.

    There should be prisons like in the USA.

    Let them work from 4 am to 12 midnight day in day out for the whole of their sentence. Boring manual Labour that is of benefit to society.

    Life either means firing squad or compromise of full life behind bars.

    I doubt any of the mainstream political parties we have would ever ever ever consider it.

    Slave labour. Good man yourself.

    That way you get slaves doing the work and law abiding people put out of work because they can't compete with slave labour. Wages for working people drop.

    You've proposed a pretty terrible stare there. Well done.


  • #1774
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Small Wonder wrote: »
    Sorry, must have missed this. Did a RED FM presenter/reporter actually name someone?

    Apparently yes.


  • #1775
    Nerdlingr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭Nerdlingr


    RiCriostoir wrote: »
    And to hear Mr. Gagebys last question to Ana's mother was to ask her to confirm that she had told the Gardai she found a condom under her daughters pillow, the week before her disappearance is absolutely disgraceful and he should be brought up on this. That even the slightest bit of interest or curious about sex and their sexuality can people some partial blame to the victim...


    Boy A was up for aggravated sexual assault as well - so in that context he was entitled to ask if she was sexual active, uncomfortable as it may seem. It would be remiss of him not to.


  • #1776
    InTheShadows
    Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭InTheShadows


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Surely the Red FM guy has to be prosecuted or it’s open season on naming anyone in the future whose identity is made a secret by court order?

    He made a simple mistake it was live radio not published in a newspaper.


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  • #1777
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Captain Flaps wrote: »
    Just swinging by to say that some of the posts here make me sick and the hard lads calling for summary murder of the convicted should be bloody ashamed. You're disgusting.
    The assault and murder of Ana is what makes me sick and disgusts me rather than words on the internet.


  • #1778
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    The people frothing at the mouth and rubbing their legs at the idea of executing or torturing these two boys need to realise that they're part of the problem regarding violence in society.

    Disagree with your phrase 'violence in society' as a useless category.

    There is violence that attacks society.

    There is violence that protects society.

    Not a death penalty merchant myself, would prefer to see them living a disciplined, spartan life, access to books and radio only, and only in return for their doing something menial and thankless that is essential to society.

    But away from society.

    And something more akin to Black Dolphin than what we have.


  • #1779
    Captain Flaps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Captain Flaps


    Gimme A Pound wrote: »
    The assault and murder of Ana is what makes me sick and disgusts me rather than words on the internet.

    The two aren't mutually exclusive.


  • #1780
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,023 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    InTheShadows wrote: »
    Sound like an old f ucker here but when i was 14 you'd be lucky to grab a glimpse of a half naked playboy model now in 10 seconds flat you can watch a gang of 10 men do all kinds of sick stuff to a woman on a smartphone. A quick google will have you watching a person being beheaded quicker than it takes to make a cup of tea.

    I've been banging this drum for years now but the effect this is now having on our children is going to be felt for years to come. The buck stops at the parents door without a doubt but unfortunately the actions you are taking with your child is the exception to the rule.

    I think mobile phones should be like cigarettes, illegal for a child to own or buy until they hit a certain age.

    At least 16.

    Some of the stuff they will be seeing at very young ages will be damaging to their minds. And unfortunately some parents let mobile devices and technology rare their kids for them as it's the easy way out.


  • #1781
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    InTheShadows wrote: »
    Sound like an old f ucker here but when i was 14 you'd be lucky to grab a glimpse of a half naked playboy model now in 10 seconds flat you can watch a gang of 10 men do all kinds of sick stuff to a woman on a smartphone. A quick google will have you watching a person being beheaded quicker than it takes to make a cup of tea.

    I've been banging this drum for years now but the effect this is now having on our children is going to be felt for years to come. The buck stops at the parents door without a doubt but unfortunately the actions you are taking with your child is the exception to the rule.

    ...and online service providers and social media companies...after all there's no top-shelf on the web

    *phones & laptops sold to kids should have built in search filters as standard

    imo - smartphones shouldn't be sold to under 16's


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  • #1782
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Captain Flaps wrote: »
    The two aren't mutually exclusive.
    Well it's your only contribution to the thread - an attention seeking seagull post referring in vague terms to posts that make you sick (which ones? Vagueness is lazy) and getting up on your high horse about fecking words. Just words. About things that aren't actually going to happen. Why the f should they feel ashamed of themselves?

    And not a word from you about what was done to Ana - like the main takeaway is a bunch of stupid words.

    Your opportunistic post is in bad taste too imo.


  • #1783
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Would you be any more/less happy if your brother or sister was murdered by a repeat offender? Small price to pay...

    Afraid to answer the question I posed? Do you think it's acceptable to execute innocent people? Your innocent family member being hung is fine is it?

    And now I wouldn't be happy if a released murderer killed my sibling.... but you're assuming I'm all for releasing murderers there aren't you? Life sentence should mean life sentence.


  • #1784
    omega man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭omega man


    As a father of a 13 year old girl and an almost 12 year old boy I just can’t put into words how deeply this tragedy affected me.
    Justice is a sole consolation. Significant praise to the gardai, prosecuting team and to the jury.

    This poor girl suffered immensely, outside of her loving home, in life and in death. I’m not a religious person but I lit a candle for her in a church. I won’t forget Ana as long as I live and her tragedy has already opened up important conversations with my own kids. RIP.

    Ps those who participated in her vile and relentless bullying may hang their heads in shame for the rest of their lives.


  • #1785
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    theguzman wrote: »
    Franco, Mussolini, Pinochet etc. all executed thousands of communists for their attempts to overthrow civil society.

    Can I just clarify that you are openly aligning yourself with some of history's worst dictators and mass murdering villains?


  • #1786
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Would you be any more/less happy if your brother or sister was murdered by a repeat offender? Small price to pay...


    Would you be ok if your brother/sister was put to death and then it was later revealed they were innocent? I think maybe it would be better to focus on our prison system. I don't think Oberstown is suitable for these two boys but I don't think the facility needs to be as harsh as prison either.


  • #1787
    kildare lad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »

    Not a death penalty merchant myself, would prefer to see them living a disciplined, spartan life, access to books and radio only, and only in return for their doing something menial and thankless that is essential to society.

    But away from society.

    And something more akin to Black Dolphin than what we have.

    Irish prisons are like a holiday camp compared to black dolphin, I know a few lads that were locked up , they said it wasn't to bad, video games , movies , weed and tablets, doesn't sound to bad if that's wat you're into. But I do think if you murder someone in cold blood you should get the death penalty . Keeping someone locked up at the cost of 50,000 a year is a waste of money. Some people are scum and deserve the death penalty . I know there was a lot of mistakes made in the past. But nowadays with DNA and forensics you don't hear about innocent people getting locked up anymore


  • #1788
    Former Observer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 474 ✭✭Former Observer


    To all the people suggesting reinstatement of the death penalty, would you be against medical testing on prisoners of serious crimes?

    There are a lot of illnesses the cures for which could be researched a lot quicker and with a lot more success if trials were done on human beings instead of mice or monkeys. Surely that would be a better use?


  • #1789
    Feisar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,014 ✭✭✭Feisar


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Yes, yes you do. You don't let them use laptops in their room or give them phones at 13 or they use the phone in front of you.


    There are a million ways to manage this, its not rocket science.


    My son used the laptop in the main room until he was old enough, 16/17. He didn't have a smart phone.

    My dad had net nanny on the computer when my sisters were younger and we were growing up and that was the 90's/ early 2000. So yes it is possible with a bit of effort.

    I’m saying he could buy one unbeknownst to the adult in charge.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #1790
    loveisdivine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭loveisdivine


    kildare lad wrote: »
    Irish prisons are like a holiday camp compared to black dolphin, I know a few lads that were locked up , they said it wasn't to bad, video games , movies , weed and tablets, doesn't sound to bad if that's wat you're into. But I do think if you murder someone in cold blood you should get the death penalty . Keeping someone locked up at the cost of 50,000 a year is a waste of money. Some people are scum and deserve the death penalty . I know there was a lot of mistakes made in the past. But nowadays with DNA and forensics you don't hear about innocent people getting locked up anymore

    Firstly it costs more to give someone the death penalty and secondly The Innocence Project would disagree you.


  • #1791
    Feisar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,014 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Former Observer wrote: »
    Low IQ eejits.

    Actually I’m fairly intelligent 🀓

    First they came for the socialists...



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  • #1792
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    kildare lad wrote: »
    But I do think if you murder someone in cold blood you should get the death penalty .

    even if there only 13 years of age ??? not fully developed emotionally/mentally


  • #1793
    Necro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,486 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Afraid to answer the question I posed? Do you think it's acceptable to execute innocent people? Your innocent family member being hung is fine is it?

    And now I wouldn't be happy if a released murderer killed my sibling.... but you're assuming I'm all for releasing murderers there aren't you? Life sentence should mean life sentence.

    Yeah I tend to agree.

    I actually think that those found guilty of capital crimes or sex crimes should just be fcuked into a hole in the ground and left there tbh.

    There's lines in society that people are not meant to cross, once they do that they don't deserve anything resembling the comforts of normal life.

    I think (aside from the handful of rabids) most people are worried that these two animals will be out on the streets in 5 years, or by the time they turn 21 at least which is fuelling the discussion of the death penalty etc.

    Life sentences are a joke here in Ireland, they don't mean life imprisonment and that's the overhanging issue.

    If these disgusting vile pieces of trash were going to be locked up until they were no longer a danger to society then more people would be happy to see them rot.

    But they won't, and that's the imminent problem. They'll be released with new identities and the worry that they could be back in the community is real, and justifiable imo.


  • #1794
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Former Observer wrote: »
    Low IQ eejits.
    Would have a much higher IQ than low myself, which equips me with the ability to see that these are just words on the internet about things that are not actually happening, and to have perspective too, y'know, in light of a 14-year-old being bullied relentlessly, then sexually assaulted, degraded and murdered.


  • #1795
    Hedgelayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 530 ✭✭✭Hedgelayer


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Disagree with your phrase 'violence in society' as a useless category.

    There is violence that attacks society.

    There is violence that protects society.

    Not a death penalty merchant myself, would prefer to see them living a disciplined, spartan life, access to books and radio only, and only in return for their doing something menial and thankless that is essential to society.

    But away from society.

    And something more akin to Black Dolphin than what we have.

    This kind of evil should never be essential to society, that's like handing someone a shovel that was used in Bosnia to dig mass graves and fill them in after.
    Here you go Mick, by the way that's a relic from Bosnia, now go plant some tree's.

    Access to books yeah give them the Bible and they'll be like your man in Clockwork orange revelling in the scourge and torture on good Friday....

    White noise isn't good enough for those animals.

    Liberals pffft


  • #1796
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,541 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    kildare lad wrote: »
    Irish prisons are like a holiday camp compared to black dolphin, I know a few lads that were locked up , they said it wasn't to bad, video games , movies , weed and tablets, doesn't sound to bad if that's wat you're into. But I do think if you murder someone in cold blood you should get the death penalty . Keeping someone locked up at the cost of 50,000 a year is a waste of money. Some people are scum and deserve the death penalty . I know there was a lot of mistakes made in the past. But nowadays with DNA and forensics you don't hear about innocent people getting locked up anymore
    Oh come on...
    https://www.innocenceproject.org/dna-exonerations-in-the-united-states/
    Look at these figures.


  • #1797
    Former Observer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 474 ✭✭Former Observer


    Gimme A Pound wrote: »
    Would have a much higher IQ than low myself, which equips me with the ability to see that these are just words on the internet about things that are not actually happening, and to have perspective too, y'know, in light of a 14-year-old being bullied relentlessly, then sexually assaulted, degraded and murdered.

    If you have a point I'm not sure what it is.


  • #1798
    InTheShadows
    Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭InTheShadows


    fryup wrote: »
    ...and online service providers and social media companies...after all there's no top-shelf on the web

    *phones & laptops sold to kids should have built in search filters as standard

    imo - smartphones shouldn't be sold to under 16's

    Yes as i said yesterday those companies are responsible for whats out there but the buck stops with the parents. Just because every other plonker is letting their 12 year kids have smart phones doesn't mean i have to.

    All kids should have no access to social media until 18 years of age imo and it should be backed up by a government agency set up with peoples PPS numbers linked to access. This is an area where we as a country could really lead and be a trail blazer for the world. Will never happen though as the government wouldn't want to upset Zuckerburg and Co

    This is a national health issue imo and it is only highlighted when stuff like this happens but I know for a fact of one case in a primary school in Dublin where 11 and 12 year old kids where passing around an image of a 12 year old girl naked and the child began to self harm at 12 flipping years of age.

    Parents have to start parenting and stop letting their kids be raised by these devices.


  • #1799
    Hedgelayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 530 ✭✭✭Hedgelayer


    loveisdivine wrote: »
    Firstly it costs more to give someone the death penalty and secondly The Innocence Project would disagree you.

    Not necessarily, I'm sure when they go inside there's plenty of heroes who'd like to share a canteen and bump into one of these lads on kitchen duty.....


  • #1800
    Former Observer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 474 ✭✭Former Observer


    There'll be a lot of people forever haunted by this at that school. Students who felt they should have spoken up, students who went along with the bullying out of fear/looking for social approval etc.


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  • #1801
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Would you be ok if your brother/sister was put to death and then it was later revealed they were innocent? I think maybe it would be better to focus on our prison system. I don't think Oberstown is suitable for these two boys but I don't think the facility needs to be as harsh as prison either.

    What? He raped and murdered a child and you’re worried prison might be too harsh?


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