Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Boggles · 19-06-2019 09:59AM

GarIT wrote: »

I haven't seen anything to the contrary.

So I can tell you anything and you'd believe based on the fact you can't find anything that disproves it? Really?

GarIT wrote: »

There was an article yesterday that Boy B was able to request Lego. I didn't have Lego as a child, that was for the rich kids. They should just take what they are given.
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It sounds like you were a child a while ago when institutions regular abused children.

I'll forgive the lego not to go back to those times.

ohnonotgmail · 19-06-2019 10:00AM

GarIT wrote: »

As far as I can recall no. But the entitlement of being able to ask needs to be fixed whether it was gotten or not.

If a prison is a place where that can be asked without fear of the reprocussions the prison isn't fit for purpose.

and you fix that by giving them a hiding?

Standman · 19-06-2019 10:01AM

GarIT wrote: »

As far as I can recall no. But the entitlement of being able to ask needs to be fixed whether it was gotten or not.

If a prison is a place where that can be asked without fear of the reprocussions the prison isn't fit for purpose.

You want repercussions for a question being asked?

GarIT · 19-06-2019 10:02AM

Boggles wrote: »

So I can tell you anything and you'd believe based on the fact you can't find anything that disproves it? Really?

It sounds like you were a child a while ago when institutions regular abused children.

I'll forgive the lego not to go back to those times.

Im young enough, raised on the one parent family payment. I don't think of my childhood as being bad. I don't think anyone's prison experience should be better though.

nehemiah · 19-06-2019 10:02AM

GarIT wrote: »

As far as I can recall no. But the entitlement of being able to ask needs to be fixed whether it was gotten or not.

If a prison is a place where that can be asked without fear of the reprocussions the prison isn't fit for purpose.

For starters, Boy B wasn't a convicted murderer at the time that request was made.

Secondly, what repercussions do you think there should be for making a request? Surely a simple refusal would suffice, you don't need to beat the **** out him too.

MrFresh · 19-06-2019 10:03AM

GarIT wrote: »

As far as I can recall no. But the entitlement of being able to ask needs to be fixed whether it was gotten or not.

If a prison is a place where that can be asked without fear of the reprocussions the prison isn't fit for purpose.

He was only on remand. He hadn't been found guilty of anything at that stage.

Somedaythefire · 19-06-2019 10:03AM

GarIT wrote: »

Im young enough, raised on the one parent family payment. I don't think of my childhood as being bad. I don't think anyone's prison experience should be better though.

So you want them beaten around for asking a question?

Boggles · 19-06-2019 10:04AM

GarIT wrote: »

Im young enough, raised on the one parent family payment. I don't think of my childhood as being bad. I don't think anyone's prison experience should be better though.

Yeah would love to been locked up as a child if it meant I got lego or ice cream.

Are you okay?

weldoninhio · 19-06-2019 10:05AM

Boggles wrote: »

So I can tell you anything and you'd believe based on the fact you can't find anything that disproves it? Really?

It sounds like you were a child a while ago when institutions regular abused children.

I'll forgive the lego not to go back to those times.

The poor little murderers, eh? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

GarIT · 19-06-2019 10:05AM

Somedaythefire wrote: »

So you want them beaten around for asking a question?

Some other posters have pointed out he hadn't been found guilty at the time which does change things. But I do believe people found guilty should fear the consequences of having such entitlement.

ohnonotgmail · 19-06-2019 10:06AM

GarIT wrote: »

Some other posters have pointed out he hadn't been found guilty at the time which does change things. But I do believe people found guilty should fear the consequences of having such entitlement.

so you think he should be beaten if he asks for it now?

GarIT · 19-06-2019 10:07AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so you think he should be beaten if he asks for it now?

I don't know if my answer would be allowed on boards.

ohnonotgmail · 19-06-2019 10:08AM

GarIT wrote: »

I don't know if my answer would be allowed on boards.

I'll take that as a yes.

Gimme A Pound · 19-06-2019 10:08AM

Complaining about them getting ice cream shouldn't be in the context of "I didn't get ice cream when I was younger" ffs.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 19-06-2019 10:10AM

The whole Lego thing is vastly off topic.

Necro · 19-06-2019 10:10AM

Thank God sense prevailed and both were found guilty. The lies and inconsistencies in Boy B's statements show imo he knew exactly what went down that day.

As for Boy A the evidence was irrefutable, how he thought he would ever get off is beyond me. I hope the judge takes that into account when sentencing - he could have spared Ana's parents of weeks and months of sensationalist media coverage. Instead the deluded monster thought that he somehow might be seen as innocent despite the overwhelming evidence against him.

Both should be locked in a cage for the rest of their lives and never see the sunlight again, I unfortunately have no faith that they won't be out by the time they are 21 like the Bulger murdering animals.

Beechwoodspark · 19-06-2019 10:10AM

Wouldn’t put it past boy b that

The LEGO request and his “naive” persona once in custody was a premeditated tactic to appear harmless and childlike

I wonder who was advising him.....

Somedaythefire · 19-06-2019 10:10AM

GarIT wrote: »

Some other posters have pointed out he hadn't been found guilty at the time which does change things. But I do believe people found guilty should fear the consequences of having such entitlement.

A "yes" would have been fine.

Fan of Netflix · 19-06-2019 10:12AM

If it's true there is a lad the same age with the same name in the area, that is very ****ty luck for him and his family.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-06-2019 10:13AM

Sardonicat wrote: »

The dogs in the streets of North Kildare/Lucan must know exactly who they are. Not publishing their identities and photos is just putting innocents with the same names at risk of the mob from outside the area IMO. I don't believe they have right to anonymity. Ana was afforded no such right. She is the victim here.

We'll, they do have the right to anonymity. That's clear. The law is taking care of them and that's you or I need to know.

If mobs want to attack the lads then they're making criminals of themselves.

Boggles · 19-06-2019 10:14AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Wouldn’t put it past boy b that

The LEGO request and his “naive” persona once in custody was a premeditated tactic to appear harmless and childlike

I wonder who was advising him.....

You would be getting into John Doe levels of manipulation there.

I think people are losing the run of themselves TBH.

Boggles · 19-06-2019 10:15AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

The poor little murderers, eh? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

The carrot and the stick method in prisons is not just for the prisoners, you do know right?

nehemiah · 19-06-2019 10:17AM

It's fair that nobody wants these boys to have an easy life in prison. Do the crime, do the time etc.

Oberstown doesn't sound like the worst place in the world to be in fairness but at the end of the day it is a detention centre, not a holiday camp. They are being taken out of their family environment at a young age and are going to have an abnormal upbringing, ice-cream or no ice- cream.

Incarceration is about rehabilitation as well as punishment. Like it or not, it is almost certain that they will be released at some stage in the future. Throwing them into Mountjoy at 14 would certainly mess them up even more than they already are. Not to mention that they are both likely to spend plenty of time in an adult prison at some stage in the not too distant future.

If and when they come out I'd like to think that the best efforts were made to rehabilitate them (as well as punish) so that the chances of them reoffending are minimal. That's not for their benefit but for the rest of us.

Beechwoodspark · 19-06-2019 10:18AM

Boggles wrote: »

You would be getting into John Doe levels of manipulation there.

I think people are losing the run of themselves TBH.

Not at all

Have you read how he behaved during prolonged police interviews?

Sustained pressure was applied to him and he lied repeatedly and was asked to explain and yet was cool calm and collected throughout.

Manipulation perhaps but ...

I suspect someone else close to him was advising him also.

nehemiah · 19-06-2019 10:19AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Not at all

Have you read how he behaved during prolonged police interviews?

Sustained pressure was applied to him and he lied repeatedly and was asked to explain and yet was cool calm and collected throughout.

I suspect someone else close to him was advising him also.

He changed his story nine times, each time placing him closer to the scene of the crime.

He implicated himself in the crime.

Not exactly what I would describe as cool and collected.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-06-2019 10:20AM

GarIT wrote: »

I haven't seen anything to the contrary. There was an article yesterday that Boy B was able to request Lego. I didn't have Lego as a child, that was for the rich kids. They should just take what they are given.

The way to deal with an official complaint about ice cream or TV stations is a hiding for the complainer.

I don't think prisons should be like the gulags but there shouldn't be a single minute of enjoying it either.

Ah this is silly. Prison conditions shouldn't be set by what Gary It had or didn't have in childhood.

Would you be so big and so brave to give a child a hiding? Impressive.

Prison deprives people of their freedom. Maybe you don't value your freedom but I think it's the single most important thing we have.

No need to constantly bully people in prison or give out hiding when they ask for something. Being deprived of freedom IS the punishment.

Beechwoodspark · 19-06-2019 10:21AM

nehemiah wrote: »

He changed his story nine times, each time placing him closer to the scene of the crime.

He implicated himself in the crime.

Not exactly what I would describe as cool and collected.

You obviously haven’t read the details of how he behaved during the interviews notwithstanding changing his story multiple times.

Recall this is a 14 yr old and was being interviewed by experienced gardai multiple times

nehemiah · 19-06-2019 10:24AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

You obviously haven’t read the details of how he behaved during the interviews notwithstanding changing his story multiple times.

Recall this is a 14 yr old and was being interviewed by experienced gardai multiple times

Yeah, and he implicated himself in the crime.

Meanwhile Boy A is sitting there saying "no comment" and denying everything despite his DNA being everywhere. That is cool and collected.

Regardless of his demeanour, Boy B would not be a convicted murderer right now if he had been 'cool and collected' in his police interviews.

Somedaythefire · 19-06-2019 10:25AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

You obviously haven’t read the details of how he behaved during the interviews notwithstanding changing his story multiple times.

Recall this is a 14 yr old and was being interviewed by experienced gardai multiple times

An assumption on my part, but when I read the story it seemed to me like Boy B fancies himself as a smart fella and to be fair he probably is, but there's a difference between excelling in primary school and tricking garda into believing your story. Seemed to me like he thought the gards would just believe him and every time they caught him out he made small adjustments to placate them. Definitely seems to be more to B's story and involvement to me.

DellyBelly · 19-06-2019 10:25AM

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Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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