Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

19-06-2019 01:29AM

Joe Don Dante wrote: »

i can't believe there are people on this thread actually trying to defend Boy B ... fcuking hell

People stating that the conviction is weak and he may not be guilty. So much so that I believe he'll be freed on appeal. Hard to know quite how involved he was but it's difficult to see how he was convicted beyond reasonable doubt.

Nerdlingr · 19-06-2019 01:29AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Why say that? That may have been Boy B's intention. I'm only surmising. He may have hoped for something to happen. Not for a murder and rape to take place. We have no idea what was on his mind but by presenting himself at Ana's door it makes no sense that a crime was planned. He's be the man, if not only, suspect.

Surmising? Dude , you said it yourself....stick to the facts.

Lefty Bicek · 19-06-2019 01:30AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Right-wing papers went mad. 16/17 years after unsafe convictions and unhappy they'd been released.

Ah well, right-wing rags in anti-Irish sentiment shocker...

Your other post suggested a general uproar in the UK after 16/17 (sic) years. There really wasn't one. The world and it's dog knew what had gone on in terms of police and judicial corruption, for many years. A Labour MP published a book about the miscarriage of justice re the Birmingham Six four years before they were released.

It seems to me that this is a totally different kettle of fish ie it involves the conviction of the actual depraved scum who perpetrated, and a decent performance by the cops.

Any outrage about the dismissals of G4 or B6 convictions can be dismissed as right-wing, anti-Irish vitriol in the face of clear evidence.

Outrage about a reversal of this decision is, or will be, from what I can see, much more justifiable.

So I don't see the value in drawing any parallel between the two cases.

But that is just ancient history.

What I really want to say is that I have found this whole case to be depressing, enraging, shameful.

RIP Ana Kriegel.

19-06-2019 01:33AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Why say that? That may have been Boy B's intention. I'm only surmising. He may have hoped for something to happen. Not for a murder and rape to take place. We have no idea what was on his mind but by presenting himself at Ana's door it makes no sense that a crime was planned. He's be the man, if not only, suspect.

Maybe he hoped she would answer the door or be home alone and he would never be seen.

All you're surmising is on his side and with nothing to back it up, we do know the murder was mentioned between the 2 boys thats a fact

19-06-2019 01:33AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You are defending a convicted child murderer. NICE.

A girl died.

He admitted to helping her over a ditch by supporting her and holding her arm and hand.

That touching is very different to the insinuation of inappropriate touching.

And alongside me he's questioning the guilt of Boy B. This state, and the UK, is littered with wrongful convictions. Those same people who were slated as killers are later found not to be so. Boy B may very well fit into that category. A reasonable stance on the justice system is possible without ad hominen attacks. Even at 2.30am.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:33AM

Sardonicat wrote: »

A 'plan' for something consensual with Ana?!

For shame!

He saw her raped and murdered. He deserves what he got.

Sawduck · 19-06-2019 01:33AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

People stating that the conviction is weak and he may not be guilty. So much so that I believe he'll be freed on appeal. Hard to know quite how involved he was but it's difficult to see how he was convicted beyond reasonable doubt.

He was there,he was involved,both deserve the death penalty,just like the sickos who killed jamie bulger

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:33AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

That touching is very different to the insinuation of inappropriate touching.

And alongside me he's questioning the guilt of Boy B. This state, and the UK, is littered with wrongful convictions. Those same people who were slated as killers are later found not to be so. Boy B may very well fit into that category. A reasonable stance on the justice system is possible without ad hominen attacks. Even at 2.30am.

But it SHOULD according to YOU show up in DNA which kind of proves you have zero idea of what you are talking about.

19-06-2019 01:34AM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

I think you're confusing him with someone else. He sat in front of his mother and used a whole host of derogatory terms for a girl who's death he had a hand in. You're inferring because his mother was there he couldn't talk freely or was embarrassed to? B*llox.
It wasn't him that was being involved in any prospective sexual relations though. So he could have sung like a canary and sold his friend down the swanny. Which he tried to do.
You've defended him at every turn on here.
And are now trying to cast him as some timid embarrassed mammy's boy? Christ.

Couldn't talk freely about himself. Wasn't that clear.

19-06-2019 01:35AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yeah no its really a bit weird considering everything.

You romance a girl. You don't have your mate drag her 3k out to the beyond.

Not much of the finer techniques of romance at 13.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:36AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Couldn't talk freely about himself. Wasn't that clear.

Well that's the legal system he has to have a guardian.

19-06-2019 01:36AM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Surmising? Dude , you said it yourself....stick to the facts.

Nobody else here is.

Sawduck · 19-06-2019 01:36AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

He saw her raped and murdered. He deserves what he got.

Exactly,only sick demented people would disagree, or maybe they are the killers family, don't waste your time on those sickos,let them rot in hell

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:37AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Not much of the finer techniques of romance at 13.

Yeah they do. Up your game.

No wonder they all come on here complaining they can't get laid!

Sardonicat · 19-06-2019 01:39AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They discussed it.

They were part of some satanic ...whatever.

He knew where the house was ....he knew it was a ****hole.

Why offer to lead a girl there to a dangerous isolated place?

Why the chord?

Strange thing to give to someone.

Of course he knew.

Because that's where kids take alcohol, drugs and indulge in sexual activities. As Ana fancied Boy A it's not wild conjecture for him to assume that some consensual sexual congress may occur.

Disgusting post. Utterly reprehensible.
It wasn't enough that she was sexually harassed, thought of as a slut and a weirdo and ultimately defiled and murdered; she's now got some keyboard law expert stating it was reasonable to assume that she was up for it.

Shame on you!

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:39AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Nobody else here is.

You didn't even know he had admitted to see her being raped and killed!

Sawduck · 19-06-2019 01:39AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

People stating that the conviction is weak and he may not be guilty. So much so that I believe he'll be freed on appeal. Hard to know quite how involved he was but it's difficult to see how he was convicted beyond reasonable doubt.

Screw the both of them, sick animals for what they did

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:39AM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Disgusting post. Utterly reprehensible.
It wasn't enough that she was sexually harassed, thought of as a slut and a weirdo and ultimately defiled and murdered; she's now got some keyboard law expert stating it was reasonable to assume that she was up for it.

Shame on you!

Rape culture.

19-06-2019 01:40AM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Ah well, right-wing rags in anti-Irish sentiment shocker...

Your other post suggested a general uproar in the UK after 16/17 (sic) years. There really wasn't one. The world and it's dog knew what had gone on in terms of police and judicial corruption, for many years. A Labour MP published a book about the miscarriage of justice re the Birmingham Six four years before they were released.

It seems to me that this is a totally different kettle of fish ie it involves the conviction of the actual depraved scum who perpetrated, and a decent performance by the cops.

Any outrage about the dismissals of G4 or B6 convictions can be dismissed as right-wing, anti-Irish vitriol in the face of clear evidence.

Outrage about a reversal of this decision is, or will be, from what I can see, much more justifiable.

So I don't see the value in drawing any parallel between the two cases.

But that is just ancient history.

What I really want to say is that I have found this whole case to be depressing, enraging, shameful.

RIP Ana Kriegel.

And Chris Mullins got slaughtered for that campaign. Daily Mail and Telegraph didn't accept their innocence and certainly didn't celebrate their release.

Outrage about a reversal of this decision would be similarly unfair if the conviction wasn't justified. We all have the right to a fair trial and if Boy B didn't deserve to be convicted then he'll be released. Why wouldn't you accord him, or any other defendant, that right?

Nerdlingr · 19-06-2019 01:40AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

That touching is very different to the insinuation of inappropriate touching.

And alongside me he's questioning the guilt of Boy B. This state, and the UK, is littered with wrongful convictions. Those same people who were slated as killers are later found not to be so. Boy B may very well fit into that category. A reasonable stance on the justice system is possible without ad hominen attacks. Even at 2.30am.

You're a lawyer and you're, by your own admission, surmising on here!
Stick to what you know about the case. The facts as they were presented.
You've presented no solid grounds for appeal or how they might win that appeal on the few hours I've spent talking about this. Only that you believe it will happen. Nothing to back it up.
I hope for Ana and her family's sake that never happens.
Boy B is not some innocent victim of build justice or some embarrassed little teenager.
He partook in the bullying and murder of a young girl and in my opinion was rightly convicted today.
I'm bowing out now so I'll leave it at that.
RIP Ana.

Nerdlingr · 19-06-2019 01:42AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Nobody else here is.

They are. It just doesn't suit your agenda is all.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:44AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

And Chris Mullins got slaughtered for that campaign. Daily Mail and Telegraph didn't accept their innocence and certainly didn't celebrate their release.

Outrage about a reversal of this decision would be similarly unfair if the conviction wasn't justified. We all have the right to a fair trial and if Boy B didn't deserve to be convicted then he'll be released. Why wouldn't you accord him, or any other defendant, that right?

What are you ranting about ? WTF is boy b like some political prisoner or something??

Where people prejudiced about this Irish kid? Was there political pressure to get him?
Did the guards not do it by the book ..did they plant evidence?

Nerdlingr · 19-06-2019 01:44AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Couldn't talk freely about himself. Wasn't that clear.

Sure what did he have to talk freely about himself for...it was Boy A that was doing the "sexual encounter" bit. Or wasn't that clear?
It much easier to talk about someone else than yourself no?

19-06-2019 01:48AM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Disgusting post. Utterly reprehensible.
It wasn't enough that she was sexually harassed, thought of as a slut and a weirdo and ultimately defiled and murdered; she's now got some keyboard law expert stating it was reasonable to assume that she was up for it.

Shame on you!

I know it's nearly 3am but maybe reading my post before responding would help. I posited the thinking of Boy B. Not that of Ana. Big difference and your wild leaps don't make sense.
Boy B may be a cold-blooded manipulator and killer. Or he may be an innocent dragged into something by an evil kid. We may never know. But those of you out there calling for the death of these two lads and attacking their parents are doing Ana a disrespectful disservice. Don't use her appalling death to let out your own anger.

RIP Ana

Sawduck · 19-06-2019 01:48AM

Its really weird that this is becoming a right wing vs left wing thing, pretty sure the girls family wouldn't want a bunch of keyboard dopes fighting about whos the best, be more respectful and stop pushing your agenda's, left or right, please stop being selfish pricks

jjnaas · 19-06-2019 01:48AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Not much of the finer techniques of romance at 13.

Oh dear. Please just stop. I’m getting angry and a bit queasy reading your latest theory re. a sexual thryst gone wrong (a line the defence tried btw). I’m sure women who read it will be raging but also, sadly, not surprised, it’s the go to old defence always trotted out to blame the girl and excuse the boy. I mean really of all the things you now go so far as to imagine B as a naive,fumbling suitor? The boy who openly called the young girl he certainly watched be raped, a slut? It’s one thing to suggest the verdict could be overturned on appeal but these last few posts are very insensitive to the deceased young ladies’ memory and frankly in very poor taste.

19-06-2019 01:49AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe he hoped she would answer the door or be home alone and he would never be seen.

All you're surmising is on his side and with nothing to back it up, we do know the murder was mentioned between the 2 boys thats a fact

Her father was there. Her father saw him. To proceed with a crime when you'd be the prime, or only, suspect makes no sense at all.

simongurnick · 19-06-2019 01:51AM

B is guilty as sin. Should be hung drawn and quartered along with any scum that defend him.

19-06-2019 01:51AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You didn't even know he had admitted to see her being raped and killed!

He did not admit to seeing her being killed. That's utterly untrue and the latest in a line of incorrect information you've put on here.

I've made two suppositions and guessed at what may have been in the mind of Boy B. They were not presented as fact.

So please don't continue to state falsehoods. It reduces the believability or argument of all of your other posts.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:52AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

He did not admit to seeing her being killed. That's utterly untrue and the latest in a line of incorrect information you've put on here.

I've made two suppositions and guessed at what may have been in the mind of Boy B. They were not presented as fact.

So please don't continue to state falsehoods. It reduces the believability or argument of all of your other posts.

For the last time he did. He said she went silent.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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